It's price gouging when you can drop 15k off the list price in a price war.
Subscription features are price gouging when it's just a software unlock. Making parts coded to a car and such.
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It's price gouging when you can drop 15k off the list price in a price war.
Subscription features are price gouging when it's just a software unlock. Making parts coded to a car and such.
I do. We'll probably get another car from the same stable when the lease ends next year although it depends on prices. I can't say I factor the maintenance network into things much: EVs just don't need as much work done on them as other cars. Although it was handy when the over-the-air update bricked it.
To be blunt why should I care.
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its no wonder companies ignore anything governments say when half the time they dont follow up with their rules. gotta feel sorry for the companies who do listen to the government timelines and actually try to abide by them with a view of short term pain but then positioning themselves for long term gain.
To be blunt right back, I don’t care if you don’t care.
It's not quite as simple as that though.
Stopping to charge for 15-30 minutes when the kids need a wee/horribly overpriced burger every so often on a long trip is fine.
Stopping to charge while the kids need a wee/horribly overpriced burger, only to find the chargers are out of order/ICEd/all in use*, so you need to stop for a further 15-30 minutes at the next services while the kids are bored and playing up in the back, and the wife is glaring at you for buying a "stupid car" is a completely different matter.
Whilst the overall time saved being able to charge at home almost certainly does outweigh the time "wasted" on longer journeys, there's still the value/convenience of that time to take into account - 5 minutes filling the car up at the petrol station every Friday on the way home from work is a lot less inconvenient than 30 minutes spent twiddling your thumbs and trying to keep the family occupied on a day trip to the beach (and the same on the way home) a couple of times a year.
* not a rare event in peak times, e.g. summer holidays/christmas etc.
Thanks for putting a figure on it, so anecdotally this forum has seen a higher rate of failures than expected from industry numbers (unless we have WAY more active EV owners than I think we do). I'm not trying to prove anything, just find it interesting.
Not really, I get how the battery is structured. I guess I'm more interested in what is classed as a failure.
Whether a single cell fails out of 3000 is irrelevant if the only remedial course of action is to replace a whole module. Then the only question that matters to the owner is what will it cost to carry that out.
I think the problem is simply a case of people are far more likely to post about issues than post “everything is going well” It’s human nature. This is why dedicated car forums tend to have a lot of negativity.
The numbers I got were from InsideEV and were from 2024. Interestingly the failure rate was over 7% with earlier EVs from 2011.
It would be interesting to see how that stacks up with more serious ICE failures.
Interpretation of data - also in the media know as spin.
If you recall 10,000 cars for proactive maintenance as you suspect a battery fuse is faulty, is that a failure, or preventative maintenance? Is the fuse classed as the battery at all, just like chanjy said. If your car manufacturer replaces your water pump for the same reason or the engine would overheat, is that an engine fault?
If you repair a car that has a single cell out of balance causing the pack to 'fail' e.g. one of the 384 cells in an EV6, well that isn't ideal, but the pack is designed to be serviceable and repairable. However you are looking at a car that has done over 100k miles or is 8 years old for it not to be covered under warranty. In terms of cost, that will be down to labour rates of the repair agent, I'd imagine it would cost a lot less in North West England than in central London for the same amount of work.
What I think is more interesting is PHEV pack failure, as if that fails you are paying way more to use the same car and then have to chose if you bother getting it repaired, if it works at all. Also PHEV degradation means for every year you own the car it slowly costs more each year to run, assuming the same degradation of the battery pack.
Oh absolutely, it's like reviews of products where they polarise to either 5 star or 1 star "I'd give zero stars if I could" where people have either had trouble or not. As you say, human nature dictates that people are more incentivised to broadcast negative experiences than positive ones.
Absolutely, I assume a "failure" isn't really a defined term anywhere. It's interesting that you say the pack is designed to be serviceable and repairable in the case of the EV6 as I can see that being a big deciding factor as to whether people are happy taking on used EVs as they drop to third, fourth and beyond registered keeper.
Everyone's use case is different but my PHEV gets a full 100% to 0% to 100% cycle pretty much daily, which over the four years I'm likely to have it would be the equivalent of about 300,000 miles worth of duty cycles in a full EV (taking a nominal 250 mile range for simplicity sake). That would be about 30,000 miles worth of EV miles in my PHEV which using easy maths would have saved me about £3300 in fuel (assuming 3ppm for EV miles and 14ppm for Petrol). That really isn't worth it and like you say the pack will see higher degradation over that time as well. I save a chunk of cash from the BIK alone so the £3300 is just a bonus to me as a company car driver but it is a hard sell for a private individual. I've not seen any noticeable drop off in EV range yet but I'll be interested to see where it ends up.
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So, I called EON in prep for the transition to EV life. I need to get a smart meter installed, followed by the charger. They offer doing both (meter is free). Can anyone recommend a charger? Are they all much the same?
Based on their tariffs, I'm eligible for the Next Drive tariff (7.5p) and not the 6.5p one. This is after I select the car and make on the drop down menu. Can't seem to find any that supports Next Drive Smart (6.5p). Is that all there is to it? Any pitfalls to this process ?
Based on their tariffs, I'm eligible for the Next Drive tariff (7.5p) and not the 6.5p one. This is after I select the car and make on the drop down menu. Can't seem to find any that supports Next Drive Smart (6.5p). Is that all there is to it? Any pitfalls to this process ?
Recommendations for an EV charger for home??
Hi all, I've decided to go electric and have a Tesla Model Y on order, estimated to arrive mid-December. When I ordered the car I just assumed that I'd go with the official Tesla wall connector charger but the more I read about these the more concerned I have become - predominantly due to the...
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So if you're an Octopus EV customer (using their salary sacrifice deal) and you're on Intelligent Octopus Go, you can sign up for Intelligent Octopus Go EV Saver tariff, which is the same as IOG except your off-peak and charging tariff drops to 6p/kwh...
Link your energy account by logging into your EV account and following the prompts.
Link your energy account by logging into your EV account and following the prompts.
What car are you getting?
BMW installed us a Pod Solo as part of buying a new iX1 and we're on the Next Drive tariff of 6.5p pkwh between midnight and 6am, not sure about other chargers
You're using the wrong app if you're only discovering a problem at a charger when you get there on a long.... and that happening to you a lot.
Your maths is out though. 5 mins every Friday is 4.30 hrs. It's not 5 mins either. Often you fill a car you wander into the shop. And you'll still have stop with the kids on a regular basis anyway. I don't pass a petrol station on my commute it's a detour and it's not unusual to queue at a petrol station.
Still if you want to do long non stop journeys get a diesel with a massive tank if it's such a time saver and a desired feature. Short journeys are more important to me. Each to their own.
Well if you can't make a case for why people should care, it's hardly a priority.
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I don't have kids, sadly, and I do appreciate it can make things more difficult but when I was young we were usually stopping anyway because at least one of the four of us would be getting antsy if weren't allowed out to run around about every couple of hours.
Is there anywhere in the UK that isn't within a single charge of the beach? And charging a car while you're at he beach should be an ideal charging situation -- although it's probably not there yet, anyway.
That wasn't really the point, I guess, but it still seems like a classic example of a cognitive bias towards worrying about single big costs over dozens of smaller costs that add up to a lot more.
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I don’t care.