The cards have changed.
4070 Super and 7900 GRE are rarely available anymore. You'd be looking at more like a 9070 or 5070 now.
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4070 Super and 7900 GRE are rarely available anymore. You'd be looking at more like a 9070 or 5070 now.
you need to look at costs now...ddr4 ram getting expensive(32gb 3200 ddr4 ram is now more expensive than 32gb 6000 ddr5, 5800x3d you have to search around for etc
am5 platform has become cheaper and I've seen 9600x cpu's available for £150ish if you look (which can outperform a 5800x3d on av, so going am5 might not be that much more expensive than just swapping all your parts out (you can buy am5 mobo now for £125-£150 which more than capable)...and you can offset that by selling your existing rig. Also at the end of it you'll have an am5 setup which 100% will be worth more than the am4 setup come time to sell it.
am6 out end of 2026..will be expensive, just as am5 was, so will take a year or so before it come down in price..so you're still looking 2.5 to 3.5years away...
gpu forget 4000 series..I's prob look at a 9070 16gb card
so depends how much you want to buy new or search around getting 2nd hand parts etc
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how does this look?
My basket at OcUK:
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 9600X Six Core 5.40GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-02677) = £188.99
- 1 x MSI Pro B840M-B (AMD AM5) B840 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-05550) = £89.99
- 1 x B Grade Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: BG-MEM-CRS-02788) = £82.99
- 1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Phoenix V1 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-GNW-04853) = £719.99
- 1 x NVIDIA - Borderlands 4 Standard Edition & the Gilded Glory Pack DLC (SKU: DIG-NVI-06102) = £0.00
Total: £1,089.95 (includes delivery: £7.99)
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Not sure how it actually performs under load, but the motherboard looks a bit cheap. Doesn't even have a heatsink.
Not worth paying that money for a b-grade set, unless you're paying an offer.
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So i'm revisiting this again.
I'm ready to upgrade as my pc just isnt handling the games i play very well now, mainly Delta Force.
I would prefer to upgrade with plug and play on AM4 just for ease but i am open to an AM5 build and keeping what i can, like just the PSU?
I see ram is mega bucks now!
Budget is £1k but not to strict.
Current set up reminder:
Fractal design meshify c tower (does this limit my gpu size?
b450m mortar max board
Ryzen 5 3600
2 x 8 GB DDR4 3200 (1600Mhz) corsair vengeance
Nvidia gtx 1660 super
Any help would be greatly appreciated
I'm ready to upgrade as my pc just isnt handling the games i play very well now, mainly Delta Force.
I would prefer to upgrade with plug and play on AM4 just for ease but i am open to an AM5 build and keeping what i can, like just the PSU?
I see ram is mega bucks now!
Budget is £1k but not to strict.
Current set up reminder:
Fractal design meshify c tower (does this limit my gpu size?
b450m mortar max board
Ryzen 5 3600
2 x 8 GB DDR4 3200 (1600Mhz) corsair vengeance
Nvidia gtx 1660 super
Any help would be greatly appreciated
What is the exact PSU that you currently own?
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1. Ryzen 5600-5700X - £130-155 new, but not currently in stock with OCUK.
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A 5700X3D or 5800X3D would be the best for AM4 but they're like hens teeth, you might luck out with one second hand but the costs will probably make them poor value.
RAM is iffy, and AM4 chips don't always respond well to more than two sticks so it's a gamble going that route. You could sell your old 2x8 set to offset costs, should get a decent amount for it in current markets.
There's also a full prebuild option if you can't be faffed:
My basket at OcUK:
Slaps you on the AM5 platform, the 7500F is on average around 5700X3D speeds so you get CPU uplift. AM5 isn't EoL either so there is upgrade potential, but they don't specify the motherboard which might limit you a touch, and the PSU will almost certainly be a crappy Kolink Bronze unit.
If you can be faffed you could reuse your case/psu/SSD's and possibly HSF and go full AM5 and have a better overall platform.
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x Kingston Fury Renegade 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF436C16RB1K2/32) (SKU: MY-291-KS) = £209.99
- 1 x Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9060 XT Gaming 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-SPR-05179) = £359.99
Total: £577.97 (includes delivery: £7.99)
A 5700X3D or 5800X3D would be the best for AM4 but they're like hens teeth, you might luck out with one second hand but the costs will probably make them poor value.
RAM is iffy, and AM4 chips don't always respond well to more than two sticks so it's a gamble going that route. You could sell your old 2x8 set to offset costs, should get a decent amount for it in current markets.
There's also a full prebuild option if you can't be faffed:
My basket at OcUK:
Total: £1,099.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)
Slaps you on the AM5 platform, the 7500F is on average around 5700X3D speeds so you get CPU uplift. AM5 isn't EoL either so there is upgrade potential, but they don't specify the motherboard which might limit you a touch, and the PSU will almost certainly be a crappy Kolink Bronze unit.
If you can be faffed you could reuse your case/psu/SSD's and possibly HSF and go full AM5 and have a better overall platform.
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swap ram for 2x 16gb (32gb) 3200mhz ram (don't add ram to your existing set...swap means swap)
#done
2x16gb of DDR4= #budget done
Personally I’d add another identical 16gb kit.
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so i have put together an am5 build, i will keep my psu, m.2, ssd & cpu cooler.
I'm thinking i can sell my graphics card and ram and get a couple of hundred back if i go this route:
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or upgrade my current set up with a cpu, ram and gpu more of a budget build to tide me over.
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will there be masses of difference in performance? between the am4 and am5 for fps gaming? for the sake of the more expensive am5 build i do not mind upping the budget by a few hundred more for a performance per £ / more future proof build.
anything you would add or change to either? i'm going on the basis i will not find an am4 x3d.
I'm thinking i can sell my graphics card and ram and get a couple of hundred back if i go this route:
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95
- 1 x Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut High Performance Thermal Paste - 1 Gramm (SKU: TH-020-TG) = £6.95
- 1 x Asrock B850M Pro RS WiFi (Socket AM5) DDR5 mATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASR-04008) = £148.99
- 1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - White (SKU: MEM-KNG-05846) = £399.95
- 1 x Asus GeForce RTX 5060 Ti Dual OC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ASU-05013) = £439.99
Total: £1,403.82 (includes delivery: £7.99)
or upgrade my current set up with a cpu, ram and gpu more of a budget build to tide me over.
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x Kingston Fury Beast 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MY-29C-KS) = £239.99
- 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core 4.7GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3CB-AM) = £199.99
- 1 x Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9060 XT Gaming 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-SPR-05179) = £359.99
- 1 x Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB Dual Tower CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: COO-TLR-02721) = £36.95
Total: £844.91 (includes delivery: £7.99)
will there be masses of difference in performance? between the am4 and am5 for fps gaming? for the sake of the more expensive am5 build i do not mind upping the budget by a few hundred more for a performance per £ / more future proof build.
anything you would add or change to either? i'm going on the basis i will not find an am4 x3d.
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It is going to be really dependent on the game/resolution/settings.
The 5060 Ti/9060 XT aren't that fast, so a 5800X won't bottleneck either card excessively, but in FPS games framerate consistency and the minimums/lows can be more important to gameplay than the top-end/average FPS.
If that is the case for you, the 9800X3D system would offer a better overall gaming experience, but how much will that actually matter with a 5060 Ti?
Personally, I'd be reluctant to pay £440 for a 5060 Ti, when a 5070 or 9070 non-XT isn't a lot extra and are significantly faster cards (~30%+).
If you're gaming at 1080p, my choice would be 7800X3D or 9800X3D and a 5070 or 9070.
The AM4 upgrade route, even though it is meaningful and cheaper, is still forcing you to pay way too much for what you get.
the 9060xt/5060ti is basically the same performance class as the 3070ti (with double the vram if you get the 16gb variants)
it'll pair well with a non-x3d ryzen 5000 series
unfortunately the 5000 series have also increased in price recently so... just get the cheapest of the 5600/5600x/5700x/5800x
it'll pair well with a non-x3d ryzen 5000 series
unfortunately the 5000 series have also increased in price recently so... just get the cheapest of the 5600/5600x/5700x/5800x
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so if i go am5, with a 5070 or 9070, will i need a psu upgrade? i'm hoping the 3 fan gpus will fit in the meshify c? ai says i have 315mm of room with front fans, the one in the cart is 306mm so it will be tight. I'll be playing at 1440p, so i'm thinking this should last me a good while.
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so i'll be at £850 to stay am4 or £1800 for am5
i currently get around 60fps, but with some occasional stuttering and lag on lowish settings.
If i can get 100+ fps on higher settings at 1440p with the am4 upgrades i'm tempted to save £1k and look at am5/6 in a few years. such decisions
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95
- 1 x Asrock B850M Pro RS WiFi (Socket AM5) DDR5 mATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASR-04008) = £148.99
- 1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - White (SKU: MEM-KNG-05846) = £399.95
- 1 x Asus GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Prime OC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ASU-04152) = £699.95
- 1 x MSI MAG A850GL 850W 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 PCIE5Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-012-MS) = £119.98
Total: £1,776.82 (includes delivery: £7.99)
so i'll be at £850 to stay am4 or £1800 for am5
i currently get around 60fps, but with some occasional stuttering and lag on lowish settings.
If i can get 100+ fps on higher settings at 1440p with the am4 upgrades i'm tempted to save £1k and look at am5/6 in a few years. such decisions
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Are you 100% upgrading to 1440p or not?
If you're not, you don't need the Ti or XT cards for playing at 1080p.
PSU: for a 5070 or 9070 non-XT, I'd expect it to be alright with your existing PSU.
Would be reluctant to recommend a higher draw card than those, not because of the power draw itself, but the power spikes.
If you're not, you don't need the Ti or XT cards for playing at 1080p.
PSU: for a 5070 or 9070 non-XT, I'd expect it to be alright with your existing PSU.
Would be reluctant to recommend a higher draw card than those, not because of the power draw itself, but the power spikes.
Yeah, it is the choppiness that can be an issue. I wouldn't recommend using a 5070 Ti with a 5800X, for example, at least not for running FPS games at a low res.i currently get around 60fps, but with some occasional stuttering and lag on lowish settings.
If i can get 100+ fps on higher settings at 1440p with the am4 upgrades i'm tempted to save £1k and look at am5/6 in a few years. such decisions
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preferably 1440p on both am4 or am5, but if it will be smoother gameplay at 1080p id be happy at 1080p with higher frames.
am4 i would be looking at 5060ti/9060xt 16gb with a 5800x (edit) or i see a 5070 non ti dual fan would be a choice, apologies, i disregarded this earlier due to 12gb over the 16gb of the 5060ti, but i dont think that should be an issue.
the 60 frames reference above is currently playing at 1440p
am4 i would be looking at 5060ti/9060xt 16gb with a 5800x (edit) or i see a 5070 non ti dual fan would be a choice, apologies, i disregarded this earlier due to 12gb over the 16gb of the 5060ti, but i dont think that should be an issue.
the 60 frames reference above is currently playing at 1440p
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Honestly I would get the 9070 (non-xt) and run it with your current pc. Would see a massive upgrade. Yes your 3600/16gb would be a bottleneck, but I would hazard a guess that the performance uplift would be enough that you could keep the core bits (CPU/mobo/ram) the same for now.
You've already procrastinated 18+ months what's another 24 months...
You've already procrastinated 18+ months what's another 24 months...
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For 1080p, I would definitely take the far superior performance, even with the loss of 4GB of VRAM.
1440p, there's an easier argument to make either way, but I'd still take the 5070 non-Ti's superior performance over the VRAM, especially since FPS gamers are likely to prioritise framerates over max detail settings.
The 9070 non-XT has 16GB of VRAM, so you don't have to compromise with that one.
A 9060 XT 16GB with a 5800X would be a good pairing, but £200 for a CPU that was ~£130 not that long ago and £240 for RAM that was ~£60
If I have to pay big money, then I want the latest.
A 9060 XT 16GB with a 5800X would be a good pairing, but £200 for a CPU that was ~£130 not that long ago and £240 for RAM that was ~£60
i built one for £510, just a few months ago
can't believe how the prices have changed in just 5 short months!as a matter of fact, i recently built a 5700x/32gb/9060xt 16gb combo for a friend for a grand total of £510, so it is certainly doable
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Thanks both! your advice is much appreciated.
procrastinator sums me up perfectly lol. and its has cost me now with these silly prices
i know prices have risen but when you see it typed out like that it does make me feel a bit ill
and with my luck i would pull the trigger now and everything will then drop and i could have built a much better rig for the £'s
procrastinator sums me up perfectly lol. and its has cost me now with these silly prices
i know prices have risen but when you see it typed out like that it does make me feel a bit ill
and with my luck i would pull the trigger now and everything will then drop and i could have built a much better rig for the £'s