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In what sense do they seem dated? 30k is about where I draw the line on a car, my Audi A4 was 32k in 2018, the Z4 I bought in April was 30k.
 
She's not wed to Audi, it's just she gets rather attached to cars. I think she likes the BMW Z4 just as much now :D

Fair enough, lots of options to get some nice models within your budget - I'd be tempted to go down to £20-22k though an look at BMW i4 (obvs not SUV) or if sticking to £30k you can just about get in to a 74-plate Cupra Tavascan which are really nice in the V2 spec and above.

Tavascan link - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202507014053067?
 
In what sense do they seem dated? 30k is about where I draw the line on a car, my Audi A4 was 32k in 2018, the Z4 I bought in April was 30k.

It depends on if they mean the looks (subjective), or the tech (objective).

There seems to be a myth that any EV is “outdated” only a few years after release. That newer EVs will render them obsolete, or just outdated for efficiency and or improved battery/charging.

Of course once you actually look at the data objectively you realise it is all nonsense.

Charging speeds and efficiency of current EVs is not much better than what was available 4-5 years ago. Anything less than 3 year old is not going to be remotely “dated” when compared to modern equivalents.

A 2022 E-Tron Q8 50 at £30k is a very capable large SUV EV cruiser that is not outdated by modern standards.
 
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There seems to be a myth that any EV is “outdated” only a few years after release. That newer EVs will render them obsolete

Goes for a lot of things not just EV to be fair. People seem to have a deep seated mindset of newer is better that as you said doesn't necessarily match up to reality.
 
In what sense do they seem dated? 30k is about where I draw the line on a car, my Audi A4 was 32k in 2018, the Z4 I bought in April was 30k.
A lot of the 30k cars are based on the same platforms as the 15-20k cars so I just don't see the point spending more.

Like this is basically the same as an Audi e-tron 55 from 2019... I'd rather have £10k in my pocket tbh
A 2022 E-Tron Q8 50 at £30k is a very capable large SUV EV cruiser that is not outdated by modern standards.
 
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What dates an EV are things like warranty not the battery but the rest of the car. If you've a 3yr warranty and some expensive headlight fails it's painful. Software, older cars might be missing some features now standard in new cars, or perhaps the app or feature becomes subscription or unsupported. Slower charging speeds, thermal management, inefficiency, outdated standard, smaller battery.

That said if you're day day isn't impacted by those, perhaps you never use public chargers, these aren't an issue.
 
How is that any different to an ICE car?

Some early EVs have short range and slow charging speeds and thermal throttling thats impractical for many people and can't use many of the new DC chargers. An older ICE isn't limited in the same way.

That said a 30k used EV isn't likely to have any of those limitations. Definitely into a modern era of EVs at that price point. Using "Dated" in that context is just being informed.
 
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Some early EVs have short range and slow charging speeds and thermal throttling thats impractical for many people and can't use many of the new DC chargers. An older ICE isn't limited in the same way.

That said a 30k used EV isn't likely to have any of those limitations. Definitely into a modern era of EVs at that price point. Using "Dated" in that context is just being informed.

Thermal throttling. That’s a Nissan leaf then. Very specific and the CHAdeMO connection on that is far more of a concern than pretending you are living in Arizona and some sort of “gate” coined phrase.

I’m not sure on where any of the older CCS cars can’t use the newer DC units so I’m calling you out on tha #factcheck

Charged my IPACE on way back from Liverpool, 17kwh top up at a solid 95kW. I never really beg for much faster and that something now out of production!
 
pay for a solar setup.

how big/expensive is your solar set up going to be?

when i got mine i just dumped the cost into a 18 month 0% purchase CC
once that 18 months were up, then did a balance transfer to a 0% balance transfer CC with 0% transfer charge
cheapest loan ever and still stoozing the cost of the PV set up to this day :cry:
 
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Going to test drive an Elroq at 2pm today. They seem reasonably on a lease. Then I can sell my Audi and pay for a solar setup.


Certainly would look at best value, 48 months is normally the worst of the deals on PCH as you are OOW and needing MOT's etc.

EDIT: Amortised costs for that one is £388.30 per month, you can get a 1+35 for £406 per month same model and annual mileage allowance, and that's obviously only one month upfront so £576 more, but as an opportunity cost you could make ~£250 of interest on that £2k over 36 months.
 
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how big/expensive is your solar set up going to be?

No idea yet, the front roof is pretty big and south facing. Our neighbours have maxed out on panels.

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Charged my IPACE on way back from Liverpool, 17kwh top up at a solid 95kW. I never really beg for much faster and that something now out of production!
My Ohme charger is currently out of action (support is abysmal), so have been using the local Ionity chargers (M1 Skelton Lakes) more often, been pretty busy on certain days and it was certainly apparent that the more people charging the slower it got, so not everything is a problem of the car. As you say, 95kwh is still a decent enough speed to get a decent top up charge in the time it takes to get a coffee/leg stretch. When all 6 chargers were in use mine maxed out at 73kwh, as soon as one charge station came free, it jumped to 95kwh, then another came free and it jumped again to 113kwh, another and it jumped to 135kwh.

I was talking to a colleague at work who is just about to send his 2023 (pre facelift model, so shorter range, slower charge etc) Q8 etron 55 back, he was talking about how dated it was, however when we got into the topic more it was more how dated it felt compared to the newer facelifted Q8 and A6 Avant etron Edition 1 he's looking at, or the i5 i've currently got.
 
A lot of the 30k cars are based on the same platforms as the 15-20k cars so I just don't see the point spending more.

Like this is basically the same as an Audi e-tron 55 from 2019... I'd rather have £10k in my pocket tbh

Did you not just contradict yourself by saying you would have a more dated version of that particular EV? That was kinda the point I was making. There is not a significant difference in overall battery/spec/range/charging between a 2019 E-Tron 55, a 2022 Q8 50 and the newer 2025 Q6 E-Tron.
 
No idea yet, the front roof is pretty big and south facing. Our neighbours have maxed out on panels.
that's a 12 panel setup, if yours is similar then it should cost no more than £9-10k (including a 8kw inverter and 10kwh battery)
should be easily doable with 0% credit cards
 
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If putting on solar, do it once and do it right, cover the back roof too. :)

On the north facing roof? It's also not the same shape as the front. The neighbour across the road has the same house as us, you can see what the rear roof looks like.

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Did you not just contradict yourself by saying you would have a more dated version of that particular EV? That was kinda the point I was making. There is not a significant difference in overall battery/spec/range/charging between a 2019 E-Tron 55, a 2022 Q8 50 and the newer 2025 Q6 E-Tron.
No I didn't contradict myself, my point all along was I wouldn't spend £30k on that type of EV. You can get basically the same car for £15-20k and have £10k left over.
 
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