Star Trek : Starfeet Academy (Paramount+)

ivrytwr3 said:
It was obvious from the start! All Vance and Captain Feet kept banging on about was Starfleet conveying in one area. I was like "wtf?", that's his plan. But the best of Starfleets minds apparently couldn't see it :( And yes, the premise of mining that entire area is absurd. Will did what he could with the writing and made it a decent episode.

Riker directing and new writers? Could be a good show.
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If Frakes became the showrunner/lead instead of bloody Kurtzman I'd genuinely be willing to give future Trek a shot.

I needed to be strong armed into trying Picard S03 and don't regret it, but everything else since Enterprise has been hot garbage imo.
 
Right, what the hell. Time to spend a chunk of my life that I'll never get back watching the season finale, and pulling it apart.

SFA 1x10 - "Rubincon"

When an old enemy resurfaces as an existential threat to the Federation, Nahla must outwit a vengeful foe with a personal vendetta against her – as the cadets and instructors undertake a dangerous, seemingly impossible, mission to save everyone and everything they hold dear.
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Written by Kurtzman and Beyer :rolleyes: Story by Noga Landau (the one on the staff with the glitter fetish, according to Frakes) and Gaia Violo :rolleyes: Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi of 'Section 31 cinematic disasterpiece' fame :rolleyes::rolleyes:

1) Ugh.
2) Don't even know why I'm doing this. Must be a glutton for punishment.
3) This was boring enough the first time around, let alone in flashback.
4) Tatiana Maslany doing her best 'freaked the **** out' for Anisha here.
5) First Trek trope of the day, comms are back up for a short burst.
6) And another trope, shared by most of sci-fi to be fair, with writers having absolutely no sense of scale.
7) MCU level stakes being reiterated for the audience. I am begging, begging at this point for nuTrek writers to quit with this kind of crap.
8) Discovery's spore drive out of the question because [reasons]
9) Bored. Bored. Bored bored bored bored bored...
10) That's about it for comms. But Vance and Thok going to get some last exposition in.
11) Gotta love single points of failure!
12) Yes, yes. How about we just get on with it? Wouldn't that be a novel idea, just getting on with a plan rather than wanging on incessantly about that plan?
13) Incoming.
14) The excitement. The drama. The crushing boredom.
15) Witless dialogue is witless.
16) Lord this script even sucked all the life out of Tig Notaro, huh?
17) I would laugh quite hard if this episode had the balls to leave the cadets in here the entire time while the adults save the day. That won't happen of course but it would be, at least, vaguely realistic. Mind, I'd laugh a lot harder if they all died.
18) Meanwhile, on the bridge. An explosion. Because that's always dramatic and not at all a boring and wildly overused trope, eh?
19) Quick pause - the Doctor got tossed by that explosion. I know Trek holograms have a physical presence, but really? They have the same kind of mass and inertia as a regular ol' living being? I reckon by rights he should probably have been rooted to that seat when everyone else went flying.
20) A spot more witless dialogue.
21) Yeah, I'm even kinda over Paul Giamatti's Paul Giamatti-ing. It's great in lots of productions, but here? In what's supposed to be Star Trek?
22) Exposition.
23) Jesus H. tapdancing Christ can we just get on with it? Eight and a half minutes in, and there's been about three minutes of plot.
24) Pause. Need tea, and paracetamol.
25) Back. And the witless dialogue remains witless.
26) You know, I can understand ol' Nustopher there. In his position, if I heard the computer chime in about a warp core breach being imminent I'd think it was a ruse too. Because nuTrek characters almost never have more than one idea in an entire season, so would definitely reuse the same tactic from earlier.
27) Welp, turns out that Nahla does indeed have another idea in her. How exciting.
28) Doc's mobile emitter. Hooray for continuity!
29) So they're going to use holographic trickery then. Wholesale ripping off of other works continues at pace, this time the victim being Diane Carey's (fairly terrible, but it was early in her career) Trek novel "Dreadnought".
30) And all they had to do to see through this plan was actually hang around for a few more seconds after they 'destroyed' the Athena. Got lucky there, then.
31) Bridge flamethrowers still working. It's like being at a Nightwish gig :D
32) Reno explaining what the Doctor did. Lots of Treknobabble that boils down to deus a medico :p
33) And he's back, but has hologram aphasia.
34) Jay-Den sent on his way to do medicine. On a hologrammatic doctor.

*sigh*
35) Well, Tig's trying. Gawd bless 'er.
36) Caleb going with 'moody ****'. Because that's helpful.
37) Witless dialogue continues unabated.
38) 1/8th impulse is less than 1,000km/sec according to Reymi. Quick pause. So, impulse speeds have never really been nailed down too hard but full impulse has been commonly held by fandom to be 0.25C. 1/8th of that would be 0.03125C, or 3.125% of light speed. Now, as any fool knows 3.125% of light speed is significantly more than 1,000km/sec - it's nearer 9,375km/sec in fact. But, as I say - impulse speeds have never been firmly established and they could even scale differently than 1:1 with 1/8th, 1/4th, etc. Certainly we've seen impulse used in situations that had a ship moving pretty slowly (see the sixth film, and Kirk ordering impulse power inside Spacedock).
39) Though Reno's mentioning thrusters. Did the writers confuse the two, impulse and thrusters? Are the two part of the same tech in the 32nd century? Who the hell knows, the show certainly isn't going to let us in on things like that.
40) So, everyone has their assignment. This happy few, this band of brothers and sisters and all points in-between and outside.
41) Back with our antagonist, who is wanging on about something. Honestly not paying a lot of attention to his dialogue at this point, there doesn't seem much point in doing so.
42) Nahla reassuring Anisha. Doesn't look like she's massively reassured, but we'll see.
43) As we're 'treated' to a bit more of Braka wanging on I find myself slipping into a light coma.
44) The grand plan, such as I can make out from all this noise, is that Braka wants to put the Federation on trial for allegedly destroying his colony world and killing his father. And if that sounds out of character to you for even the Federation of the post-Burn universe then I'm right with you. Stand by for the plot non-twist about how it wasn't them at all.
45) Oh, and Braka clearly wants to lead his own Federation. With hookers, and blackjack.
46) Over on what's left of the Athena, a new wrinkle provides a teaching moment. Or at least would, if they weren't busy panicking and falling out with each other.
47) Everyone tossed around. And Tarima's lost her inhibitor.
48) "It's not easy to total a shuttle." Reno obviously right out of the Voyager school of crashing shuttles!
49) Reno still teaching. And giving Lythe the conn, while Reno and Caleb go try and patch up the warp core again.
50) Pause.

Oh. My. *******. God :mad:

If there was a line that is just emblematic of the writing issues this series has, it's right there.

"Wait...I think I have to pee."

How can anyone involved in making this show think that what that moment needed was a quip about bodily functions. This isn't Deadpool. This isn't Suicide Squad. This isn't a Wayans brothers spoof. This is - allegedly - Star Trek. What was wrong with just having Lythe steel herself and sit in the chair? But no. So the button on the scene becomes "...I have to pee." Outstanding work, everyone. Way to hustle.

:rolleyes:
51) More Braka and Nahla back-and-forth. And back-and-forth. And back-and-forth. And...
52) Shifting back to the Athena, and Treknobabble.
53) 'Reserve' nacelles?
54) Caleb's 'oh, woe is me' act makes me homicidal.
55) Reno delivering home truths.
56) *strangled screaming*
57) Anisha and Nahla now doing the back-and-forth.
58) Tatiana Maslany so far doing a better acting job than many of the regular cast.
59) Pity that the script can't match her ability. Or, indeed, that of anyone here in this episode.
60) Back on the Athena, and Jay-Den has finished defragmenting (*Spock eyebrow*) the Doctor. Who still isn't sorted.
61) "She needs you." :rolleyes:
62) Lythe abandoning the conn to go support SAM.
63) For the love of all that's holy I need this writing to just stop.
64) *insert gif of Jed Bartlet beating his head against the Oval Office desk*
65) *and again*
66) Title drop.
67) And now Rubincon makes sense.
68) Jesus this computer is ******* slow.
69) Sex position joke.
70) Caleb and Tarima in their little headspace.
71) Going to get Tarima to use the Force to find Anisha.
72) I'm pretty sure that all that bit served to do was bring an already slow episode to a complete halt.
73) Deus e palatio mentis, I guess?
74) *hums "Careless Whisper" to himself*
75) Exposition.
76) Ah. That's Reno's "go" phrase then. Not as awful as some on nuTrek have been, to be fair.
77) Trek is getting a bit fond of that 'drop out of warp into the upper layer of a gas giant' bit.
78) Exposition. And got Braka's broadcast on now as well.
79) Nahla vamping for time.
80) Trek as social commentary. Not done very well, but let us at least applaud them for trying.
81) Still going.
82) Braka back to wanging on.
83) Caleb incoming.
84) Athena crew hard at work.
85) Caleb now the one vamping.
86) SAM still algorithm-ing.
87) On and on and on it goes.
88) Braka attempting to stomp on the moment.
89) Nahla and Caleb joining up to break Braka's hold on proceedings. With the key being the colour of the weapons. Because these hacks so desperately want this to be Star Wars, where everything is colour-coded for good versus evil :rolleyes: Oh, and there's your twist from 44).
90) Braka would apparently rather scream about ending things than just...end things.
91) Giving SAM time to finish their work.
92) Here comes the cavalry.
93) Some gratuitous punching of Braka. Pretty sure that's against a few conventions regarding treatment of prisoners.
94) The wrap-up.
95) 'Witty' conversation about forks.
96) I assume that they commuted Anisha's sentence then, since she's free? Did I miss that?
97) Caleb voiceover to finish this dreck off.
98) And I'm done.

A little over an hour of noise, pacing issues, explosions and flames, breaking off from the action to have tender, heartfelt conversations and some more noise.

So, pretty much the series so far in microcosm.

And absolutely in keeping with this 32nd century that DIS gave us. Was any of it good? I mean, IMO even at its absolute worst so far it hasn't plumbed the depths that DIS managed to in it's opening season (or any of the other four). But I'm not sure that qualifies it as a success. Does it show promise? Eeennnhhhh...ish. There's a couple of things they could do that would improve things right away. One is to put Tig Notaro's Jett Reno in the ship captain role instead of Holly Hunter's Nahla Ake, have Ake as the chancellor of the academy itself but put Reno in charge of the Athena when on off-world missions. Reno is a character that clearly works in that situation, and Notaro is an actor who can drag everyone else around her up a notch. Kicking and screaming if need be.

Another would be to fire almost everyone who has written for this show so far. Because damn. It has been genuinely awful in places. I said after the first episode that "I'm Khionian, bitch" would be a strong contender for cringiest line of the season. But it got some competition, culminating in "I think I have to pee" from Lythe here. That one made me genuinely angry.

The show so far has made a lot of the same mistakes that DIS did. But none of that is unfixable. They just have to listen when viewers tell them what isn't working, rather than double down. Mind, fandumb also needs to stop wanging on about wokeness and Holly Hunter curling up barefoot in her chair if they want their criticisms of the show to be taken in any way seriously :p

I really, really need season 2 to not be about an existential threat to the Federation/wider galaxy. Here's hoping that a nuTrek showrunner breaks that streak at last.
 
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JRS said:
Right, what the hell. Time to spend a chunk of my life that I'll never get back watching the season finale, and pulling it apart.

SFA 1x10 - "Rubincon"



Written by Kurtzman and Breyer :rolleyes: Story by Noga Landau (the one on the staff with the glitter fetish, according to Frakes) and Gaia Violo :rolleyes: Directed by Olatunde Osunsanmi of 'Section 31 cinematic disasterpiece' fame :rolleyes::rolleyes:

1) Ugh.
2) Don't even know why I'm doing this. Must be a glutton for punishment.
3) This was boring enough the first time around, let alone in flashback.
4) Tatiana Maslany doing her best 'freaked the **** out' for Anisha here.
5) First Trek trope of the day, comms are back up for a short burst.
6) And another trope, shared by most of sci-fi to be fair, with writers having absolutely no sense of scale.
7) MCU level stakes being reiterated for the audience. I am begging, begging at this point for nuTrek writers to quit with this kind of crap.
8) Discovery's spore drive out of the question because [reasons]
9) Bored. Bored. Bored bored bored bored bored...
10) That's about it for comms. But Vance and Thok going to get some last exposition in.
11) Gotta love single points of failure!
12) Yes, yes. How about we just get on with it? Wouldn't that be a novel idea, just getting on with a plan rather than wanging on incessantly about that plan?
13) Incoming.
14) The excitement. The drama. The crushing boredom.
15) Witless dialogue is witless.
16) Lord this script even sucked all the life out of Tig Notaro, huh?
17) I would laugh quite hard if this episode had the balls to leave the cadets in here the entire time while the adults save the day. That won't happen of course but it would be, at least, vaguely realistic. Mind, I'd laugh a lot harder if they all died.
18) Meanwhile, on the bridge. An explosion. Because that's always dramatic and not at all a boring and wildly overused trope, eh?
19) Quick pause - the Doctor got tossed by that explosion. I know Trek holograms have a physical presence, but really? They have the same kind of mass and inertia as a regular ol' living being? I reckon by rights he should probably have been rooted to that seat when everyone else went flying.
20) A spot more witless dialogue.
21) Yeah, I'm even kinda over Paul Giamatti's Paul Giamatti-ing. It's great in lots of productions, but here? In what's supposed to be Star Trek?
22) Exposition.
23) Jesus H. tapdancing Christ can we just get on with it? Eight and a half minutes in, and there's been about three minutes of plot.
24) Pause. Need tea, and paracetamol.
25) Back. And the witless dialogue remains witless.
26) You know, I can understand ol' Nustopher there. In his position, if I heard the computer chime in about a warp core breach being imminent I'd think it was a ruse too. Because nuTrek characters almost never have more than one idea in an entire season, so would definitely reuse the same tactic from earlier.
27) Welp, turns out that Nahla does indeed have another idea in her. How exciting.
28) Doc's mobile emitter. Hooray for continuity!
29) So they're going to use holographic trickery then. Wholesale ripping off of other works continues at pace, this time the victim being Diane Carey's (fairly terrible, but it was early in her career) Trek novel "Dreadnought".
30) And all they had to do to see through this plan was actually hang around for a few more seconds after they 'destroyed' the Athena. Got lucky there, then.
31) Bridge flamethrowers still working. It's like being at a Nightwish gig :D
32) Reno explaining what the Doctor did. Lots of Treknobabble that boils down to deus a medico :p
33) And he's back, but has hologram aphasia.
34) Jay-Den sent on his way to do medicine. On a hologrammatic doctor.

*sigh*
35) Well, Tig's trying. Gawd bless 'er.
36) Caleb going with 'moody ****'. Because that's helpful.
37) Witless dialogue continues unabated.
38) 1/8th impulse is less than 1,000km/sec according to Reymi. Quick pause. So, impulse speeds have never really been nailed down too hard but full impulse has been commonly held by fandom to be 0.25C. 1/8th of that would be 0.03125C, or 3.125% of light speed. Now, as any fool knows 3.125% of light speed is significantly more than 1,000km/sec - it's nearer 9,375km/sec in fact. But, as I say - impulse speeds have never been firmly established and they could even scale differently than 1:1 with 1/8th, 1/4th, etc. Certainly we've seen impulse used in situations that had a ship moving pretty slowly (see the sixth film, and Kirk ordering impulse power inside Spacedock).
39) Though Reno's mentioning thrusters. Did the writers confuse the two, impulse and thrusters? Are the two part of the same tech in the 32nd century? Who the hell knows, the show certainly isn't going to let us in on things like that.
40) So, everyone has their assignment. This happy few, this band of brothers and sisters and all points in-between and outside.
41) Back with our antagonist, who is wanging on about something. Honestly not paying a lot of attention to his dialogue at this point, there doesn't seem much point in doing so.
42) Nahla reassuring Anisha. Doesn't look like she's massively reassured, but we'll see.
43) As we're 'treated' to a bit more of Braka wanging on I find myself slipping into a light coma.
44) The grand plan, such as I can make out from all this noise, is that Braka wants to put the Federation on trial for allegedly destroying his colony world and killing his father. And if that sounds out of character to you for even the Federation of the post-Burn universe then I'm right with you. Stand by for the plot non-twist about how it wasn't them at all.
45) Oh, and Braka clearly wants to lead his own Federation. With hookers, and blackjack.
46) Over on what's left of the Athena, a new wrinkle provides a teaching moment. Or at least would, if they weren't busy panicking and falling out with each other.
47) Everyone tossed around. And Tarima's lost her inhibitor.
48) "It's not easy to total a shuttle." Reno obviously right out of the Voyager school of crashing shuttles!
49) Reno still teaching. And giving Lythe the conn, while Reno and Caleb go try and patch up the warp core again.
50) Pause.

Oh. My. *******. God :mad:

If there was a line that is just emblematic of the writing issues this series has, it's right there.

"Wait...I think I have to pee."

How can anyone involved in making this show think that what that moment needed was a quip about bodily functions. This isn't Deadpool. This isn't Suicide Squad. This isn't a Wayans brothers spoof. This is - allegedly - Star Trek. What was wrong with just having Lythe steel herself and sit in the chair? But no. So the button on the scene becomes "...I have to pee." Outstanding work, everyone. Way to hustle.

:rolleyes:
51) More Braka and Nahla back-and-forth. And back-and-forth. And back-and-forth. And...
52) Shifting back to the Athena, and Treknobabble.
53) 'Reserve' nacelles?
54) Caleb's 'oh, woe is me' act makes me homicidal.
55) Reno delivering home truths.
56) *strangled screaming*
57) Anisha and Nahla now doing the back-and-forth.
58) Tatiana Maslany so far doing a better acting job than many of the regular cast.
59) Pity that the script can't match her ability. Or, indeed, that of anyone here in this episode.
60) Back on the Athena, and Jay-Den has finished defragmenting (*Spock eyebrow*) the Doctor. Who still isn't sorted.
61) "She needs you." :rolleyes:
62) Lythe abandoning the conn to go support SAM.
63) For the love of all that's holy I need this writing to just stop.
64) *insert gif of Jed Bartlet beating his head against the Oval Office desk*
65) *and again*
66) Title drop.
67) And now Rubincon makes sense.
68) Jesus this computer is ******* slow.
69) Sex position joke.
70) Caleb and Tarima in their little headspace.
71) Going to get Tarima to use the Force to find Anisha.
72) I'm pretty sure that all that bit served to do was bring an already slow episode to a complete halt.
73) Deus e palatio mentis, I guess?
74) *hums "Careless Whisper" to himself*
75) Exposition.
76) Ah. That's Reno's "go" phrase then. Not as awful as some on nuTrek have been, to be fair.
77) Trek is getting a bit fond of that 'drop out of warp into the upper layer of a gas giant' bit.
78) Exposition. And got Braka's broadcast on now as well.
79) Nahla vamping for time.
80) Trek as social commentary. Not done very well, but let us at least applaud them for trying.
81) Still going.
82) Braka back to wanging on.
83) Caleb incoming.
84) Athena crew hard at work.
85) Caleb now the one vamping.
86) SAM still algorithm-ing.
87) On and on and on it goes.
88) Braka attempting to stomp on the moment.
89) Nahla and Caleb joining up to break Braka's hold on proceedings. With the key being the colour of the weapons. Because these hacks so desperately want this to be Star Wars, where everything is colour-coded for good versus evil :rolleyes: Oh, and there's your twist from 44).
90) Braka would apparently rather scream about ending things than just...end things.
91) Giving SAM time to finish their work.
92) Here comes the cavalry.
93) Some gratuitous punching of Braka. Pretty sure that's against a few conventions regarding treatment of prisoners.
94) The wrap-up.
95) 'Witty' conversation about forks.
96) I assume that they commuted Anisha's sentence then, since she's free? Did I miss that?
97) Caleb voiceover to finish this dreck off.
98) And I'm done.

A little over an hour of noise, pacing issues, explosions and flames, breaking off from the action to have tender, heartfelt conversations and some more noise.

So, pretty much the series so far in microcosm.

And absolutely in keeping with this 32nd century that DIS gave us. Was any of it good? I mean, IMO even at its absolute worst so far it hasn't plumbed the depths that DIS managed to in it's opening season (or any of the other four). But I'm not sure that qualifies it as a success. Does it show promise? Eeennnhhhh...ish. There's a couple of things they could do that would improve things right away. One is to put Tig Notaro's Jett Reno in the ship captain role instead of Holly Hunter's Nahla Ake, have Ake as the chancellor of the academy itself but put Reno in charge of the Athena when on off-world missions. Reno is a character that clearly works in that situation, and Notaro is an actor who can drag everyone else around her up a notch. Kicking and screaming if need be.

Another would be to fire almost everyone who has written for this show so far. Because damn. It has been genuinely awful in places. I said after the first episode that "I'm Khionian, bitch" would be a strong contender for cringiest line of the season. But it got some competition, culminating in "I think I have to pee" from Lythe here. That one made me genuinely angry.

The show so far has made a lot of the same mistakes that DIS did. But none of that is unfixable. They just have to listen when viewers tell them what isn't working, rather than double down. Mind, fandumb also needs to stop wanging on about wokeness and Holly Hunter curling up barefoot in her chair if they want their criticisms of the show to be taken in any way seriously :p

I really, really need season 2 to not be about an existential threat to the Federation/wider galaxy. Here's hoping that a nuTrek showrunner breaks that streak at last.
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So you really liked it, this is your response hmm?

 
A few more thoughts.

So how did the Doctor doing his projection trick give him the answer regarding disabling the Omega mines?

Jay-Den is going to reach 'Travis Mayweather' levels of underused if they keep this up. Kicked off the bridge to go run a defrag on the Doctor, then no other real role for him in the story other than a bit of pointing out the bleedin' obvious.

I was a little surprised that they didn't end on a cliffhanger note. Everything got wrapped up neat 'n' tidy.

I said this in my commentary but it stands repeating. Tatiana Maslany outshone the material handed to her in this episode. So did (in the main) Tig Notaro.
 
Decent finale aside from all the feelings talks and speeches - some were interesting, but many were not needed and slowed down the pacing.

I don't get how they found Mum just by holding hands and using the Force? Where did that come from, have they done that before?

SAM is still annoying AF, but thankfully didn't have a huge part this week.

Tig did well, calm, steady hand bringing the team together.

Some good moments throughout the series, but too many bad parts to make me recommend it.
 
Finished the series a few days ago. I was initially sceptical due it being about teenage cadets in the Discovery future. Not a great combo. Happy to be proved wrong as the series was a joyful romp. Didn’t take itself too seriously and thankfully didn’t have the PC baggage that Discovery had. The cadets weren’t too annoying but the older cast members certainly lent some gravitas. It was great to see the doctor back and I’m genuinely glad the engineer from Discovery was there as she was wasted in Discovery. I was also pleased that Discovery didn’t feature in it apart from a few mentions in passing. Hopefully cutting ties to that travesty…
 
As above I enjoyed the series, having previously given up on Discovery. Kept it light and the ensemble cast was alright, although fish man is probably the least interesting of the bunch after a strong start for him in the opening episodes. Engineer from discovery stole the scene every time… she rules!

The pirate villain man turned out to be an absolute *******… he really hammed up in the best way possible at points.

I think the next series ought to lean a bit more into ‘monster of the week’, since we mostly had backstory stuff which was fine but it inevitably labours them a bit… Caleb will no longer be the ‘rebel’ for example.

ivrytwr3 said:
I don't get how they found Mum just by holding hands and using the Force? Where did that come from, have they done that before?
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Betazoid lady did it in an earlier time episode with Caleb, although that was just with him.
 
Nitefly said:
Betazoid lady did it in an earlier time episode with Caleb, although that was just with him.
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Yup i remember her taking Caleb to the field place, but not being able to locate people just because it's his mum - how tf does that even work? And then to be able to read off grid ref's? Just wondering if Betazoids have done this in other ST shows.
 
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ivrytwr3 said:
Yup i remember her taking Caleb to the field place, but not being able to locate people just because it's his mum - how tf does that even work? And then to be able to read off grid ref's? Just wondering if Betazoids have done this in other ST shows.
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Don't think it matters what has been done before as we are now 800+ years in the future from those other shows, the Betazoids powers could have changed and evolved.
 
steve5424 said:
Don't think it matters what has been done before as we are now 800+ years in the future from those other shows, the Betazoids powers could have changed and evolved.
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Ah, ok, so plot armour. Just accept and don't question.

If that's the case, why didn't she use her powers to find Caleb's mum in Ep2? Would have saved another 8 episodes :D
 
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^^^ It did make clear that she was a ‘super betazoid’ that had crazy powers (i.e. made her dad unable to speak), to the point they had to suppress her powers on a day to day basis. Re: Caleb, he made it pretty clear that he didn’t want his mind invaded like that, and they weren’t on good terms for much of the series and their relationship was a pretty major thread plot, so I don’t think it was that inconsistent.
 
Nitefly said:
^^^ It did make clear that she was a ‘super betazoid’ that had crazy powers (i.e. made her dad unable to speak), to the point they had to suppress her powers on a day to day basis. Re: Caleb, he made it pretty clear that he didn’t want his mind invaded like that, and they weren’t on good terms for much of the series and their relationship was a pretty major thread plot, so I don’t think it was that inconsistent.
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The motto I got from discovery and starfeet is by screaming, you get what you want

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