Petition - Hand Guns - Sports and Clubs - bring them back
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Everyone banging on about the gun ban having no effect on gun crime are completely missing the point!!!
THE GUN BAN WAS NOT INTRODUCED TO STOP/PREVENT NORMAL GUN CRIME!
Do you really think that the police/politicians thought that the gun ban would significantly reduce street gun CRIME?
Of course not! They know that 99% of street/gang gun crime is commented with illegal guns and therefore banning licensed guns would have no significant effect on this.
The ban was a DIRECT response to Dunblane and was bought in to prevent another massacre like Dunblane/Hungerford. So far IT IS WORKING!
Ann McGuire summed it up pretty well if you ask me!
Also the comparison of banning cars because they kill people is so ridiculous and pathetic that I'm not even going to dignify it with a proper response
Keep the U.K a safer place, support the Gun Ban!!
THE GUN BAN WAS NOT INTRODUCED TO STOP/PREVENT NORMAL GUN CRIME!
Do you really think that the police/politicians thought that the gun ban would significantly reduce street gun CRIME?
Of course not! They know that 99% of street/gang gun crime is commented with illegal guns and therefore banning licensed guns would have no significant effect on this.The ban was a DIRECT response to Dunblane and was bought in to prevent another massacre like Dunblane/Hungerford. So far IT IS WORKING!
Ann McGuire summed it up pretty well if you ask me!
Also the comparison of banning cars because they kill people is so ridiculous and pathetic that I'm not even going to dignify it with a proper response
Keep the U.K a safer place, support the Gun Ban!!
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Chingoo said:Everyone banging on about the gun ban having no effect on gun crime are completely missing the point!!!
THE GUN BAN WAS NOT INTRODUCED TO STOP/PREVENT NORMAL GUN CRIME!
Do you really think that the police/politicians thought that the gun ban would significantly reduce street gun CRIME?
The ban was a DIRECT response to Dunblane and was bought in to prevent another massacre like Dunblane/Hungerford. So far IT IS WORKING!
Which could have been prevented withe existing laws if the police had actually used them....
Ann McGuire summed it up pretty well if you ask me!
Also the comparison of banning cars because they kill people is so ridiculous and pathetic that I'm not even going to dignify it with a proper response
Yawn... Emotive ranting and putting things in capital letters does not make for a good argument. Strangely there's always someone who posts this way in every single thread involving guns, never with the same user name though
and to me so little deaths does not warrant a ban,
climbing trees has no benefits apart from fun and there has been many more deaths from that than guns. I'm not saying it's the same. But a few deaths should never ban anything, I don't wont to be wrapped in cotton wall I don't wont my rights and fun infringed on, just to save a few lives a year it's just not rational.
climbing trees has no benefits apart from fun and there has been many more deaths from that than guns. I'm not saying it's the same. But a few deaths should never ban anything, I don't wont to be wrapped in cotton wall I don't wont my rights and fun infringed on, just to save a few lives a year it's just not rational.
Chingoo said:Everyone banging on about the gun ban having no effect on gun crime are completely missing the point!!!
THE GUN BAN WAS NOT INTRODUCED TO STOP/PREVENT NORMAL GUN CRIME!
Do you really think that the police/politicians thought that the gun ban would significantly reduce street gun CRIME?
The ban was a DIRECT response to Dunblane and was bought in to prevent another massacre like Dunblane/Hungerford. So far IT IS WORKING!
Ann McGuire summed it up pretty well if you ask me!
"THINK OF THE CHILDREN, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"
as I said before. In short, given the chance of a 'massacre' and the sheer number of our population I dont think the risk / benefit was there to ban guns.
Move above the emotional responce. Look at the numbers, look at what we lose. It's like banning football attendance because of a fight at one match. Punishing the majority because of the minority.
Dolph said:
Human error! (Thomas Hamilton/Dunblane proved this definitivly)
You cannot totally remove the chance of human error unless you remove humans from the equation. You could have the strictest laws but when humans are involved mistakes will occur (history has proved this many times).
Some people may think it's o.k to gamble with human life but personally I think it's totally unacceptable, especially when the only downside is a small minority having to change to airguns or finding another 'hobby'!
Vanilla said:
What an amazingly selfish, cold and self-absorbed thing to say
So your saying that a massacre of say a dozen children every 10-15 years is acceptable and is fine with you so long as you can still go down some shooting range and fire guns at paper targets
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Dolph said:
I place infinte value on life over the 'hobby' of a small minority who could quite easily still enjoy their sport using airguns!!
Personally I think people that are pushing for the gun ban to be lifted are extremly selfish/self-absorbed tbh!!
I also think your wasting your time as the ban is never gonna be lifted, the majourity of the U.K were and still are all for the ban.
Chingoo said:
Excessive use of exclaimation marks doesn't aid your argument either
So in your mind, the potential for the death of one person should override the rights of 60million others to potentially do something?
And you accuse those who want the ban lifted of being selfish?
And personally, I think you're being irrational, overly emotional and not addressing the situation logically at all, but hey.
If the majority wanted to kill black people or torture puppies, would that make it ok?
What about if the majority decided they disliked your hobby, and took it away from you, despite the fact that you'd (and 99.9% of the rest of the people who partake in it) never harmed anyone while doing it?
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Rammers said:
No, tax in Switzerland is about half that of the UK. For starters, income tax has high band of 30% against the UKs 40%, and the margins are set much higher. No such thing as council tax, a local tax equivalent works out about half the Uks council tax. VAt is a mere 7.6% against the UKs 17.5%. Fuel tax is at least 30% less.
Oh yeah, cannabis is 'legal'.
What’s with the ridiculous analogies 
First the car one and now the racist / torture puppys one! Who's being emotive and irrational now???
Again I'm not gonna respond to it as its pathetic.
Even if it meant the slightest of slight possibilities that it would prevent the death of another living creature I would welcome the ban.
First the car one and now the racist / torture puppys one! Who's being emotive and irrational now???Again I'm not gonna respond to it as its pathetic.
Even if it meant the slightest of slight possibilities that it would prevent the death of another living creature I would welcome the ban.
Chingoo said:What’s with the ridiculous analogies
Simply an example of how mob rule isn't necessarily the right thing.
Is that really the reason? You seem to be very selective about what you reply to, and ignore the rest of the posts... I presume it's easier to keep your head in the sand about the flaws and inadequacies of your arguments that way...
In which case, we need to ban pretty much every passtime and hobby on the planet (they all have associated risks after all), most jobs (they have risks of harm), most of society too (has a risk of harm to someone), nations and religion (are used as an excuse to harm other living beings).
In fact, we might as well do nothing at all...
Not exactly a rational thought, is it?
Sorry your argument is weak!!
When you start shouting to ban other things because 'they are dangerous' then you know you really have a poor argument!!
Do all these other dangerous and totally un-important to normal life things you talk about allow for some sick individual to go on a massive killing spree in a school and kill 16+ people in under 3 minutes????
Of course not, and yes they most probably are important things that play an integral role in normal life
Guns have no use other than KILLING people and shooting inanimate objects, hardly a great loss to society
When you start shouting to ban other things because 'they are dangerous' then you know you really have a poor argument!!
Do all these other dangerous and totally un-important to normal life things you talk about allow for some sick individual to go on a massive killing spree in a school and kill 16+ people in under 3 minutes????
Of course not, and yes they most probably are important things that play an integral role in normal life
Guns have no use other than KILLING people and shooting inanimate objects, hardly a great loss to society
Aircraft shows should be banned too, a few times the plane has crashed in the crowd, killing the spectators.
Model RC plane shows have killed unlucky spectators too.
Football should have been banned after the loughborough? tragedy.
Buildings no higher than bungalows should be built, as people have been known to fall out of balconies.
Cars, planes, ships trams and trains should be banned.
All sports should be banned.
Cigarettes should be banned.
To save lives, everyone should be locked in a padded room for there entire life.
Chingoo said:What an amazingly selfish, cold and self-absorbed thing to say
So your saying that a massacre of say a dozen children every 10-15 years is acceptable and is fine with you so long as you can still go down some shooting range and fire guns at paper targets
It's called being realistic. It's what people have been harping about in this thread but you of course don't see that, you just see 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN' blinking rapidly in front of your eyes.
Take away the emotion, think about the population as a whole, think about rights. Of course you'll try this for a second and then say something along the lines of 'CHILDREN!!!!!!'.
By the way, I don't shoot...but i'm against the ban. I don't smoke, but i'm against that ban also.
Chingoo said:Sorry your argument is weak!!
When you start shouting to ban other things because 'they are dangerous' then you know you really have a poor argument!!
Do all these other dangerous and totally un-important to normal life things you talk about allow for some sick individual to go on a massive killing spree in a school and kill 16+ people in under 3 minutes????
Of course not, and yes they most probably are important things that play an integral role in normal life
Guns have no use other than KILLING people and shooting inanimate objects, hardly a great loss to society
It's BLINKING again isn't it.
It's LIKE a LIGHT show in front of my EYES.
CHILDREN.
Chingoo said:Sorry your argument is weak!!
When you start shouting to ban other things because 'they are dangerous' then you know you really have a poor argument!!
Do all these other dangerous and totally un-important to normal life things you talk about allow for some sick individual to go on a massive killing spree in a school and kill 16+ people in under 3 minutes????
Of course not, and yes they most probably are important things that play an integral role in normal life
Guns have no use other than KILLING people and shooting inanimate objects, hardly a great loss to society
If that's the best approach you've got for addressing the arguments put to you regarding your position, I can see even trying to discuss anything with you is going to be a waste of my time. You're far too irrational to hold anything approaching a meaningful debate with, you've ignored points when they are brought up to you, instead you've ranted and raved with various aggressive posting styles without actually addressing anything.
I can't be bothered to waste any more time destroying your position, you're doing a much better job of it than I am
squiffy said:
ALL of them play an important role in normal day life! GUNS DO NOT!
You are being irrational and making silly comments like above just shows how weak your argument is.
And yes I smoke and yes I AGREE WITH THE BAN!
Why? Because EVERYTHING should be done to stop people smoking and more importantly kids/youth should not see this as it sets a very bad example!
Chingoo said:Sorry your argument is weak!!
When you start shouting to ban other things because 'they are dangerous' then you know you really have a poor argument!!
Do all these other dangerous and totally un-important to normal life things you talk about allow for some sick individual to go on a massive killing spree in a school and kill 16+ people in under 3 minutes????
Of course not, and yes they most probably are important things that play an integral role in normal life
Guns have no use other than KILLING people and shooting inanimate objects, hardly a great loss to society
May I ask what your hobby is? Say collecting stamps.
So if I go on a killing rampage with a books of stamps, should books of stamps be made illegal too?
Shooting is a hobby, it brings people together, can be made into a tourist/weekend out, gives manufactering, gun shop jobs.
What is the point of bungee jumping? It's dangerous -people have died, and all they do is bounce up and down. It doesn't help society, so it should be banned.