Immigrants can vote next month

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:25

Fraggr said:
lol.

I get the impression that the majority of people on here complaining about immigrants don't know any well at all. Perhaps you should pull the Daily Mail away from your face and see the real world.

How many immigrants should I befriend to qulaify me to a Guardian subscription?

Maybe you should put down your Guardian and visit the real world where foreigners(=!Immigrants) have political control over another country.

Visage · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:26

Van_Dammesque said:
Maybe you should put down your Guardian and visit the real world where foreigners(=!Immigrants) have political control over another country.

Which country would that be?

Jon Frost · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:26

SunaseIPs said:
The UK will be ****ed basically.

It already is

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Fraggr · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:28

Van_Dammesque said:
How many immigrants should I befriend to qulaify me to a Guardian subscription?

Maybe you should put down your Guardian and visit the real world where foreigners(=!Immigrants) have political control over another country.

Perhaps 5 from your school/uni/workplace. You'll see they don't just complain about Christmas decorations and no, they don't have political control over England.

[TW]Fox · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:29

Gibbo said:
Immigrants should all be bloody kicked out

What, all of them? Even say, French people who have lived and paid taxes here for decades?

Should we then get Spain to send the hundreds of thousands of UK Immigrants back to us?

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:30

Fraggr said:
Perhaps 5 from your school/uni/workplace. You'll see they don't just complain about Christmas decorations and no, they don't have political control over England.

They do not have political control over England? Are you disputing the article?

Visage · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:31

[TW]Fox said:
What, all of them? Even say, French people who have lived and paid taxes here for decades?

Should we then get Spain to send the hundreds of thousands of UK Immigrants back to us?

Dont forget the Royals too - Germans, the lot of 'em.....

Fraggr · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:32

Van_Dammesque said:
They do not have political control over England? Are you disputing the article?

Do they currently have political control over England?

I'm not saying anything about the article at the moment.

edit: I don't think people who don't live here should be allowed to vote, but the people who do should, regardless of where they originally came from.

Visage · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:32

Van_Dammesque said:
They do not have political control over England? Are you disputing the article?

How can a million immigrants have political control over an electorate of 40 million?

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:33

[TW]Fox said:
What, all of them? Even say, French people who have lived and paid taxes here for decades?

Are these French people British citizens? If not then, no.

Should we then get Spain to send the hundreds of thousands of UK Immigrants back to us?

Do they have a vote in spanish elections?

(If they did kick out the english because they were not spanish, then I would say "Good for the spanish, if only we had the balls".)

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:34

Fraggr said:
Do they currently have political control over England?

I'm not saying anything about the article at the moment.

Yes, political control = Vote, this is how it is usually done in this country.

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:36

Visage said:
How can a million immigrants have political control over an electorate of 40 million?

They do not influence the 40 million (16 million if the 40% turnout is repeated), but they have a vote which could politcally influence the outcome of the election.

Imagine in the 70's a great amount of russians lived here and voted for a commie party, they got in, you'd be happy with that?

willd58 · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:38

The funny thing with Britain is that we go off and take over the world, enslaving its people, and then complain when a few of those who we enslaved follow us home.

Flubble · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:41

i don't mind immigrants being able to vote, as long as they can speak english well enough for you to clearly understand and have lived here for at least 4 years without getting a criminal record and have worked for at least 3 of those 4 years.

seems fair to me

Visage · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:44

Van_Dammesque said:
They do not influence the 40 million (16 million if the 40% turnout is repeated), but they have a vote which could politcally influence the outcome of the election.

But you would agree that political influence is not the same as political control, which is waht you said originally?

Imagine in the 70's a great amount of russians lived here and voted for a commie party, they got in, you'd be happy with that?

Of course - surely you can see the absurdity of 'They shouldnt be allowed to vote because they may win'?

The debate about whether immigrants should be allowed to vote should never be based on numbers. If there are compelling reasons then those reasons are valid whether we're talking about 100million immigarnst or just one.

@if ®afiq · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:44

cleanbluesky said:
A strangely aggressive tone. You also come into this thread using an insult against those who disagree with Dolph rather than making a reasoned contribution.

It is because that is what has happened and will continue to happen in these types of threads, the usual xenophobes and racists come out with their usual crap about "they took our jobs".

As an aside, will you pull those posters up on their aggressive tones and lack of content or will it be only those you disagree with?

As Dolph has said this law has been around for over a hundred years. Why bring it up now if only to continue stiring up the "bewildered herd"?

starscream · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:46

Van_Dammesque said:
They do not influence the 40 million (16 million if the 40% turnout is repeated), but they have a vote which could politcally influence the outcome of the election.

Turnouts of GE's are normally >60%.

Van_Dammesque said:
Imagine in the 70's a great amount of russians lived here and voted for a commie party, they got in, you'd be happy with that?

HOUSE!

If they live/work/pay taxes, why should you care who they vote for?

Van_Dammesque · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:48

Visage said:
But you would agree that political influence is not the same as political control, which is waht you said originally?

semantics, but I have already clearly defined what Ithink my term meant.

Of course - surely you can see the absurdity of 'They shouldnt be allowed to vote because they may win'?

This is not the case, I said russians, not russian immigrants with UK citizenship!

The debate about whether immigrants should be allowed to vote should never be based on numbers. If there are compelling reasons then those reasons are valid whether we're talking about 100million immigarnst or just one.

But we are talking about non-citizen immigrants, not immigrants with citzenship.

Visage · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:48

Flubble said:
i don't mind immigrants being able to vote, as long as they can speak english well enough for you to clearly understand and have lived here for at least 4 years without getting a criminal record and have worked for at least 3 of those 4 years.

seems fair to me

What if an immigrant cannot find work - Why shouldnt he be able to vote for an alternative party if he thinks that he'd be more likely to find a job under their governance?

daz · 16 Apr 2007 at 13:54

France has a massive issue with segregation and immigration with lots of resentment being built up over the years, purely because they're treated as second class "citizens". ("citizens") in inverted commas because IIRC they can never be naturalised.

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