Doherty's pet cat took cocaine

iCraig said:
It isn't about superior knowledge, it's about circumstantial "evidence."

If you found a junkies' flat with drugs all over the floor, then they were forced to leave before they could consume the drugs or they weren't true addicts. Could you really see a flat full of smack heads desperately trying to scrape money together to buy their next fix when they've got it lying all around them. :confused:

Even celebrities do not waste usable substance, so broke junkies will certainly consume every milligram of crack they can off their coffee table before they buy any more.

So, either the cat had trace elements of it by consuming very minute quantities and its sickness is coincidental, or he's a sicko who tried giving it to his cat.
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I don't think that's quite right. He probably has an abundance of the stuff around his pad, and when going out he's hardly going to bother rounding up all his smack into a little baggie before going out is he?

I reckon he could get it wherever he went, so to leave some on his coffee table or whatever isn't really that unlikely...
 
iCraig said:
It isn't about superior knowledge, it's about circumstantial "evidence."

If you found a junkies' flat with drugs all over the floor, then they were forced to leave before they could consume the drugs or they weren't true addicts. Could you really see a flat full of smack heads desperately trying to scrape money together to buy their next fix when they've got it lying all around them. :confused:

Even celebrities do not waste usable substance, so broke junkies will certainly consume every milligram of crack they can off their coffee table before they buy any more.

So, either the cat had trace elements of it by consuming very minute quantities and its sickness is coincidental, or he's a sicko who tried giving it to his cat.
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You're trying to speak with authority on something you appear to know nothing about. You're mentioning crack and heroin but this is Cocaine, it gets passed around like sherbet, of course there could be enough lying around to freak out a cat.

Also, with all due respect, I don't think Meridian, a forensic scientist, needs lectured on these matters by an apprentice web developer.
 
andy said:
heroin and crack , i cant believe no ones just thought of poisoning loads of batches of it and killing off the junkies .
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Heil Hitler.

These people are addicts, and if they had a clear frame of mind and some help I'm sure they wouldn't choose to carry on a life of self-abuse.
 
Tru said:
You're trying to speak with authority on something you appear to know nothing about. You're mentioning crack and heroin but this is Cocaine, it gets passed around like sherbet, of course there could be enough lying around to freak out a cat.
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In a way for a cat to just lick up? I don't doubt he has some stashed about, but I can't see his cat getting some unless it's been left lying about unused, which addicts do not generally do. :)

Tru said:
Also, with all due respect, I don't think Meridian, a forensic scientist, needs lectured on these matters by an apprentice web developer.
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I'm not lecturing him on anything forensic though am I? I'm just talking to him about common behaviour of drug addicts. Typically, an addict won't leave it lying about. If he's been taking a hit I doubt he'll leave powder on his desk or table for his cat to come and lick up. If he feels I'm trying to undermine his forensic career by saying that, then I apologise. :)
 
Mate, it sounds like you really dont have a clue.

He's not a homeless addict, who would, I appreciate, soak up every possible granule of their drug. He is in another league. I'm betting he's got a load of money and the odd gram here or there wouldn't go missing... and could possibly be in a place for a cat to have a dabble.
 
OK, well perhaps because I see him as an addict I have a warped opinion of the situation. Fair enough. :)
 
iCraig said:
In a way for a cat to just lick up? I don't doubt he has some stashed about, but I can't see his cat getting some unless it's been left lying about unused, which addicts do not generally do. :)
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Yes they do. People don't usually take all their coke in a oner, it has to last the evening. There could easily have been a few lines lying on the ground, or the arm of a sofa, or a coffee table, or a million other places a cat can lick.
iCraig said:
I'm not lecturing him on anything forensic though am I? I'm just talking to him about common behaviour of drug addicts. Typically, an addict won't leave it lying about. If he's been taking a hit I doubt he'll leave powder on his desk or table for his cat to come and lick up. If he feels I'm trying to undermine his forensic career by saying that, then I apologise. :)
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Maybe, just maybe, someone in his line of work knows more about the behaviour of junkies and other criminals than you?

"Typically, an addict won't leave it lying about." What gives you that idea? Do you sit with addicts as they consume their drugs?
 
Tru said:
Maybe, just maybe, someone in his line of work knows more about the behaviour of junkies and other criminals than you?

"Typically, an addict won't leave it lying about." What gives you that idea? Do you sit with addicts as they consume their drugs?
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I've always learnt and heard that addicts generally do not waste their hit, if that is incorrect and or Doherty isn't an addict, then fair enough. :)
 
iCraig said:
I've always learnt and heard that addicts generally do not waste their hit, if that is incorrect and or Doherty isn't an addict, then fair enough. :)
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Leaving it sitting somewhere for when you want to do another line isn't wasting it, that's saving it.
 
iCraig said:
I've always learnt and heard that addicts generally do not waste their hit,
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There is certainly an element of truth in that, but it's a gross simplification. For a start, it ignores the fact that a lot of drug wrappings are pretty near impossible to open without missing some of the stuff in there - and I open them with all the time in the world, not desperate to get my next fix.

It also assumes that having spilt the stuff, said druggie is going to stop fixing up and try to get the powder/crystal or whatever back together.

It assumes they will succeed. Heroin for one has a tendency to go absolutely everywhere and disappear into carpets etc. Some drugs tend to stick to everything as well. All in all, 100% recovery is pretty much impossible

It assumes that once they've come down they even remember they spilt the stuff, if they didn't clean up earlier.

It assumes that they can be bothered to pick the stuff up. I appreciate that this point is the crux of your argument and I can only say: it all depends. How poor are they right now? Can they steal something easily to pay for another fix? Do they simply not feel like it? Etc.


At the end of the day I can only say I've never seen a druggie's place that looked other than a pigsty. And that nearly always includes at least some spilt drugs. You are correct that there won't usually be five grams of coke lying about, but there will certainly be enough for a 5kg cat to ingest enough to trip a drug test.


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alexthecheese said:
These people are addicts, and if they had a clear frame of mind and some help I'm sure they wouldn't choose to carry on a life of self-abuse.
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Hmm thats not the type of addict we have in Stoke (toke) on Trent.

I don't see anybody with a gun pointed to their head around these parts being forced to start drugs in the first place!
 
There is no way coke would be left laying around. You lot seem to think that money = slackened attitudes to drugs. I have a friend who earns 92k a year and he is still very tight around his kit. Lines of coke can be _very_ easily misplaced or accidently moved too, you don't get it out unless you're gonna take the stuff. Got a feeling that very, very few of us has ever seen the stuff in reality, let alone take it to know that it's something you just don't leave around like confetti.

I should also remind everyone that Doherty has injected heroin into an incapacitated girl friend before, it was page one news on some of the tabloids at the time, photo and all. Cats with cocaine is target practice for him :p
 
as tru says he could have quite easily just had a few lines lined up and the cats touched it or whatever when he hasnt been there



whats i dont understand is how some of you think hes an addict who would never waste a grain ,yet your also saying that he must have "gave" the cat it

if he was like that then why would he give the cat some which IS actually wasting it as opposed to having it lying there like loads of people do
 
What people have been saying about "hoping he dies", is a bit of a worry, just because, it'll just be worse if he dies.

People will start calling him a genius etc etc, i just hope he packs up the drugs and buggers off to start doing something really boring, such as working in a call centre. mwahahaha :)

Then he can fade into obscurity, now that is the best route for him, no chance of him being a "genius" then...
 
My mate used to get his cat stoned all the time from when it was a kitten to when it was older, an now it just acts like a kitten all the time. Its an incredibly fun cat :D
 
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