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28nm graphics cards

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The new generation of graphics are going to be coming out later in the year but I was wondering what the price of these cards will be.

Are these new cards going to be very high end or will they come in mid range as well? Will they be similar price to a gtx 580 or higher?
 
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It all depends on yields, I think the age of the big monolithic chip ala Fermi is over so if yields are good I'd hope prices are competitive.

Way too early too tell though.
 
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Its very safe to say Flagship dual cards will cost a ludricous £4-500 or more they have done for many many previous generations.

single card £300

Mid range are always around £200

These prices have been accepted by the consumer now. It doesnt matter if the yields are super 99%.
 
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The man speaks truth, prices will not drop without reason. Get a feel for what budget, mid-range and enthusiast level products go for and you get rough estimate for future pricing, same deal only... better.


Indeed, for quite a while now no real competition has entered the market and the two dominant forces seem to not mind merely perpetuating the status quo.



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We _should_ see low end 28nm parts out first, pricing will probably be similiar to what we have now.
 
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Its very safe to say Flagship dual cards will cost a ludricous £4-500 or more they have done for many many previous generations.

single card £300

Mid range are always around £200

These prices have been accepted by the consumer now. It doesnt matter if the yields are super 99%.

Yup, because there were never £300 expensive cards before the 4870 at all, nope. LIkewise £400 is ludicrous, for two cores and two sets of memory that individually cost, errm, £200 each.... thats crazy I tell you.

Nvidia, another matter.

Pricing WILL depend on the design of the core and how big it is coupled with how good yields are. Another 4870, and by that I mean circa 250mm2 card and a great 28nm process and the top end card will not cost £300, another closer to 400mm2 card, with a poor process, you'd be lucky for it to be under £300.

Its really very simple, yields effect price, in every single semiconductor based product worldwide.

IF a $5 wafer gets you 30 working chips, or 100, it effects price, if you can't see why, then its really not worth going into.

Theres a reason why Barts + decent yields cost the same as 4850's did, similar size, similar cost. Theres a reason a 334mm2 Cypress cost £300 at launch and a 389mm2 Cayman cost £275 at launch, yields.

The question for 28nm will be, are both companies going with two gens at 28nm(more to do with when 20-22nm is due than anything else) or are they going for one "proper" gen and one fairly big high end core and hope 20-22nm is on target.

If the former, its quite likely they'll go for something quite small to start with, which will also likely be comparitively cheap.
 

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Has there been any talk of multi-core gpu's? Bet that would solve all the stuttering and problems suffered by todays xfire/sli. 1 gpu with 2 or 4 cores :p

Looking forward to 28nm myself. Will probably get a gpu card that is close to the performance of 6990 :)

If nvidia are competitive this time round, might try them out, but unlikely. Only the 460's I found were very competitive and better than what ati were offering at the price point.
 
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GPUs internally are multi core, 100s of cores infact (almost every function of a GPU is handled via dozens of specialised processors in parallel) problem is with current tech how many you can fit within a die before yields, heat and power becomes an issue.
 
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