Another Spec Me Thread - £1000(ish)

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Hi guys,

I'm looking to put a high end gaming rig together before September on a budget of around £1000 and I'm looking for suggestions. I won't be building it till probably early August though in case any upcoming stuff is worth adding here. I have some ideas that I'm gonna list but if there are better more cost effective solutions I'm open to them.

Ideally, I want this system to be able to run stuff like WoW, Star Citizen, Witcher 3, Skyrim with full texture mods, X:Rebirth and stuff like Bioshock Infinite either maxed out or very close to it.

So without further ado:

Case
I'm leaning towards the Corsair Carbide 540 Air just because it looks fantastic, it's quite good value for money, and for ease of movement due to it's size. I also love the air getting directly to the key components straight away. Ease of installation of components is another factor. Basically it just seems like the complete high end package (aside from storage drive capacity) for relatively little money. Unless of course, an alternative offers better cooling and value for money?

CPU
The biggest things here for me are future proofing, overclockability and value for money. With those in mind I was thinking either a 4670k, a 3570k or an 8350. As I would ideally like this to last me 3-5 years, I'm thinking the 4670 might be my best bet despite being the most expensive?
Also, is buying the OEM version generally better due to the cost difference?

CPU Cooler
As I seem to be most attracted to the Corsair case I've been debating getting the H100 but if traditional air coolers have better cooling a high end one of those might be better and cheaper. My main draw for the H100 is how low profile it is in general, opening up space for you and negating the pain in the arse of installing a big heatsink.

Motherboard
I really like the look of Asus 4-way optimization for easy overclocking, so a compatible motherboard for that would be nice (I think all Z87 Asus boards are compatible though). I'm a big Asus fan too now and I've always wanted one so that's where I'm leaning right now.
Essentially I just need a board which allows good overclocking, has space for SLI/Xfire with a soundcard in 1x PCI-e slot and plenty of sata ports. I don't think there's anything else I need really.

Memory
I would like 16gb if budget allows for it, just for future proofing, but mostly high end, fast ram which would compliment a high CPU overclock. 8GB I expect would be fine if you need the what, £30? elsewhere to fit something else in. Ideally 16GB though, if possible.

GPU
Will be overclocking! Plan to upgrade within 2 years.
7950, 7970 or 760/770. Wondering what would fit into the budget, what is most cost effective and what is good to SLI/Xfire later on. I'm a big fan of buying a cheap second card in a year or two, but my current dual 5870's have really underwhelmed me, I think mostly because of the VRAM bottlenecking them in newer games.
I have heard SLI is better for this, but if my best bet is to get one card now and then upgrade to a single card solution later I think a 7950 or 7970 is best. The question is though, is the 7970 worth the extra cost or is an overclocked 7950 superior to an overclocked 7970 in terms of how much games in the next 2 years are going to push it. If the 7950 probably isn't going to be pushed to 100% of it's limit by the 2 year mark I should be better off with that. Willing to listen to recommendations as I'm just not sure.

SSD
Right now I run a 60GB OS drive with programs on it, and a rubbish 250GB first gen SSD for games. Is this the most optimal way of doing it or am I better off with a larger 256GB SSD (and thus faster) and partitioning it (if that's even necessary on an SSD). I'm guessing this would be cheaper although would give me less space due to losing 40GB to the OS.
I'm open to options here as I don't really follow individual SSD drive performance.

Storage Drives
Will be transporting my 2 2TB drives between my two computers when I travel home so won't need these at all at first. Can buy some later as funds allow for it. (Yes I know the 540 only allows 2 storage drives)

PSU
Would like a fully modular PSU *if budget allows*. If cutting down from modular here can free up for a better upgrade elsewhere that's completely fine as this is mostly a convenience thing and something I've always wanted but not really necessary, especially not in the 540.

Optical Drive
Cheap DVD RW is fine. Don't need anything special like a Blu Ray or anything.


NOTE: If the following two can't fit into the budget, list it separately outside of the build itself. I may be able to fund this elsewhere.

Peripherals
Don't need mouse as I can transport that.
Keyboard I would like a relatively small keyboard (doesn't need anything like volume control, macro keys or anything. Just a good, functional keyboard. I would love a mechanical keyboard but I think that would stretch the budget a bit too much. As I have a Razer Naga I don't really need the numpad either so that would allow for a smaller keyboard if that makes it easier.

Monitor
I currently have a 24" Dell U2412M which I will be using as my main Monitor, so I'm looking for a 1920x1080 (or 1920x1200 if they still exist) as a secondary monitor for browsing/movies etc which is relatively cheap but still good. Cost effectiveness really. Basically <£100 if possible and if it's any good (if it's not bump this up a bit).


Apologies for the wall of text and rather limiting conditions, but I figured some people might love the challenge this provides and I would love the help speccing this.

Thanks in advance!


This is ideally the sort of level I was thinking of:

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS HD 7950 IceQ BOOST 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H795QC3G2M) £249.95
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM with FREE Grid 2 PC Game £179.99
1 x Kingston HyperX 3K SSD 240GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive (SH103S3/240G) £179.99
1 x Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £119.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black £116.99
1 x GeIL EVO Veloce Hot-Rod Red 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-14900C10 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (GEV316GB1866C10DC) £99.95
1 x Corsair Hydro H110 280mm High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM3) (CW-9060014-WW) £94.99
1 x Seasonic M12II 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply £86.99
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £11.99
Total : £1,153.42 (includes shipping : £10.50).



Unfortunately that's a little overbudget and has random memory and PSU brands and a random Motherboard as I threw them in there as an example.
 
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Hmm, that does look good.

Is the 670 a viable alternative to the 7950 (I'm assuming thats it's closest price rival)? I always hear about how the 7950 is the king at that price point. I like the prospect of 3GB of VRM instead of 2, is that much of a difference?

Also, what is the benefit of that Gigabyte board compared to an Asus board like the one I linked? Honestly it might just be laziness but I absolutely love the look of that 4-Way Optimization. So convenient! So I'd prefer Asus there if possible.

Unfortunately that SSD is either too big or too small. Either I would run an OS drive in it and transport my current 250GB OCZ Apex with my games on it aswell as my storage drives, or I would need either one big SSD for everything (cheaper) or an OS drive + Game SSD. A 128GB wouldn't really be big enough I think.

Also, are the refurbished H100's safe? And how often do they generally become available? If I was ordering this early August I would need it well before the end of August.

Thanks for the quick reply though.
 
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Having a mess around gave me this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS HD 7950 IceQ X² BOOST 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H795QMC3G2M) £269.99
1 x Asus Z87 SABERTOOTH Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £199.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM with FREE Grid 2 PC Game £179.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black £116.99
1 x Samsung 128GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD128BW) £115.99
1 x Seasonic M12II 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply £86.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD38G2666HC11CDC01) £65.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler *Manufacturer Refurbished Unit - 90 Day Warranty £39.95
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £11.99
Total : £1,099.86 (includes shipping : £10.00).



Or with a 670, this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 670 OC Twin Frozr Power Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £259.99
1 x Asus Z87 SABERTOOTH Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £199.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM with FREE Grid 2 PC Game £179.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black £116.99
1 x Samsung 128GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD128BW) £115.99
1 x Seasonic M12II 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply £86.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD38G2666HC11CDC01) £65.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler *Manufacturer Refurbished Unit - 90 Day Warranty £39.95
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £11.99
Total : £1,089.86 (includes shipping : £10.00).



They're still a bit over though. Also with those I would have to ferry over my current gaming SSD also so I would probably be better off going with a 64GB Crucial M4 (the OS drive I have now) as that seems to be the best <100GB SSD. That would drop £47 off the price.

These are with a super high end motherboard though, so if there's not that much between the Sabertooth and one of the lower end boards that might be able to drop some more?

Do I need a higher wattage power supply for this level of overclocked system?
 
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I would like to see a 750W PSU for the potential use of dual GFX cards.

The OEM CPU is on offer today only, it will go back up in price in the morning so then consider the retail CPU which has a longer 3 year warranty and proper box and a stock heatsink included.

Lastly MSI Twin frozrIII 7950 has a black PCB, it may look better than the HIS.
 
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Even at max overclocks on CPU + GPU the PSU will be fine with a single GTX 670. You could pick a cheaper motherboard, don't have to spend £200 for a decent overclocking board.
 
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I would like to see a 750W PSU for the potential use of dual GFX cards.

The OEM CPU is on offer today only, it will go back up in price in the morning so then consider the retail CPU which has a longer 3 year warranty and proper box and a stock heatsink included.

Lastly MSI Twin frozrIII 7950 has a black PCB, it may look better than the HIS.

To be honest I'm tempted to start sticking to single card solutions just to avoid the hassle it can be, and it's hardly that much cheaper if you sell your previous card so I think that's my best option.

£20 isn't much difference anyway for the CPU so I could just take the hit if the OEM goes back up.

I didn't list the Twin frozr because I remember reading lots about how bad they were reliability wise, but honestly that card was just a placeholder anyway which had a bit of a bump up in price for the greater variety of choice. Is the Twin Frozr the best 7950 at the moment or just the cheapest because of the deal?

Even at max overclocks on CPU + GPU the PSU will be fine with a single GTX 670. You could pick a cheaper motherboard, don't have to spend £200 for a decent overclocking board.
So now I've decided to stick to single card, a 650W is probably my best bet?

As for the motherboard, I just liked the look of it and only kept it in my build because of how close it was to the £1k with basically everything.

Basically I'm just looking for motherboard options because it's like finding a needle in a haystack at the minute, they all look the same and it's utterly overwhelming. The Sabertooth I picked out there cus everyone seems to love it for overclocking. And let's face it, it's a beautiful board.
 
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Honestly I think I'm just tunnel visioning Asus purely because of their 4-way Optimization which seems miles better than easy tune, so I've not even really looked at Gigabyte boards.

Is it even worth getting a £180-200 motherboard or would I be better off saving that £40-50 and spending it elsewhere? I'm not sure about the performance gains or anything really, completely blind in this regard.
 
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Much better?

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI HD 7950 Twin Frozr III Boost Edition 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **NEW REVISION** £239.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM with FREE Grid 2 PC Game £179.99
1 x Asus Z87-PLUS Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £143.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black £116.99
1 x Samsung 128GB SSD 840 PRO SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7PD128BW) £115.99
1 x XFX Pro Series 650W XXX Edition Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £74.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan GOLD 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17100C11 2133MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLYD38G2133HC11ADC01) £71.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler *Manufacturer Refurbished Unit - 90 Day Warranty £39.95
1 x OcUK 20x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £11.99
Total : £1,009.96 (includes shipping : £11.75).





The only thing I would potentially do with this would be to bump it up to a 500GB samsun SSD just for convenience but that's a decision I can make later. Any opinions on this, improvements and such?

I really appreciate all the replies. And thanks stu, everytime I post here you're the one who is always there posting :)
 
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Honestly I'm not too fussed about matching theme or anything, but this is great so far, thanks again for your help.

If the 540 Air isn't released in time, or if I decide to drop the price on the case to maximise upgrades elsewhere, how is the cooling performance of the Bitfenix Ghost?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-087-BX&groupid=2362&catid=1850

Obviously if I'm gonna be overclocking everything cooling is going to be a concern, and I've heard good things about the Ghost, especially how silent it is but I'm wondering if anyone knows how it compares to the 540? Obviously it's a lot cheaper too and wouldn't be as tight on HDD space.

I'm guessing with this I would have to go with a different cooler, something like the Noctua?
 
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That sort of question maybe better of in the case central section, there maybe people who have the Ghost case who can comment on it, The only BitFenix cases I had used are the Shinobi and ShinobiXL.

P.S the side window on the 540 is huge, colour matching may help:)
 
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The prices have altered today, so all the special deals have changed, heres what I would do,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail with FREE Grid 2 PC Game £194.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87X-OC Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £167.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 540 High Airflow ATX Cube Case - Black £116.99
1 x Plextor M5 Pro 128GB Extreme Series Solid State Drive - (PX-128M5P) £99.95
1 x XFX Pro 850W Core Edition '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £71.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C10 2400MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (TXD38G2400HC10QDC01) £64.00
1 x Corsair Hydro H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler *Manufacturer Refurbished Unit - 90 Day Warranty £39.95
1 x LG GH24NS95 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £17.99
Total : £786.43 (includes shipping : £10.50).



Then add a GFX as you see fit.

• The OC board is on offer.
• The RAM is clocked very fat, but there is orange coloured TEAM also on offer to match.
• The PSU allows SLI/Crossfire.
 
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