HDR and HDMI on PS4 update

VincentHanna · 15 Sep 2016 at 07:09

No, it's not.

Not 1.4 to 2.0

Samsung designed some TVs with a physical board that you can swap out for an upgrade down the line. I'm not sure anyone ever did this but presumably it included the ports.

The link to the Sony TV you listed means that they had a 4k TV out before the HDMI 2.0 spec was fully ratified. It was the same with my 2014 Panasonic 4k TV, they knew roughly what to target when making the HDMI port but couldn't be 100% sure.

I remember them calling it a '4k capable' port at the time.

The TV may have had a firmware update to make it fully HDMI 2.0 compliant, but the bandwidth had to be there in the first place.

cyclonus10 · 15 Sep 2016 at 17:07

VincentHanna said:
No, it's not.

Not 1.4 to 2.0

Samsung designed some TVs with a physical board that you can swap out for an upgrade down the line. I'm not sure anyone ever did this but presumably it included the ports.

The link to the Sony TV you listed means that they had a 4k TV out before the HDMI 2.0 spec was fully ratified. It was the same with my 2014 Panasonic 4k TV, they knew roughly what to target when making the HDMI port but couldn't be 100% sure.

I remember them calling it a '4k capable' port at the time.

The TV may have had a firmware update to make it fully HDMI 2.0 compliant, but the bandwidth had to be there in the first place.

And yet the article i linked says the same the thing you are on about ffs.

" The aforementioned NeoGAF forum member, Jeff Rigby, alleged that the controller was capable of that spec, in spite of its release before 2.0 had been finalized. "

redrooster303 · 16 Sep 2016 at 12:09

Sil9777 chip^^

juno_first · 17 Sep 2016 at 07:27

I'd guess the extra data needed for 10bit HDR can still be handled by the PS4 HDMI 1.4 port.
The jump from 1080p to 4k would be a lot more data with being 4x the resolution.
I think its very impressive Sony have done this, although maybe they've shot themselves in the foot as it narrows the divide between the PS4 & PS4 Pro.
I'd guess the Xbox One could do 10bit HDR as well. A pity M$ won't enable this?

Here's proof from 9 months ago you can have 10bit HDR at 1080p:

Amazon Prime HDR 1080p

neoglow · 17 Sep 2016 at 11:02

Is this whole HDR thing being blown out of proportion somewhat, has anyone seen a side by side comparison of HDR in games?

The only HDR I have come across is in photography where a photo is edited but the end result whilst pretty, is not exactly realistic.

juno_first · 17 Sep 2016 at 11:16

TV HDR is not the same as photography HDR, except for showing shadow detail alongside bright areas such as a sunset properly exposed plus 'as the eye' would see it shadow detail on the beach.

After watching HDR TV shows like Man in the High Castle & Batman DOJ in HDR I'm convinced HDR is the next big thing, but it has to be seen like with VR.

As HDR is 10bit rec.2020 colour it shows 77% of what the human eye can see, compared to the current 8bit rec.709 showing only 35%. There's a show on Amazon Prime called The Last Tycoon & the extra colours are deffo noticeable. Plus typical rec.709 Blue Ray etc is calibrated for only 200nitts brightness where the HDR10 standard is 1000nitts so the bright specular highlights will be much brighter.

The main reason I'm buying Horizon 3 is because its the first HDR game.

JLarks · 17 Sep 2016 at 12:20

Is there an ELI5 of what HDR actually is, and how it looks 'better' than normal HD?

Minstadave · 17 Sep 2016 at 12:37

neoglow said:
Is this whole HDR thing being blown out of proportion somewhat, has anyone seen a side by side comparison of HDR in games?

The only HDR I have come across is in photography where a photo is edited but the end result whilst pretty, is not exactly realistic.

Someone posted yesterday it didn't make a huge difference on their OLED panel as you already have excellent black depth. I think it's good for LEDs TVs where it gaurentees the panel is decent but whether the actual media being encoded in HDR I'm less sure.

VincentHanna · 19 Sep 2016 at 13:05

HDR in photography differs to HDR in TV's.

Edit - Somebody already said it a lot better than I could

Yungstar 2006 · 19 Sep 2016 at 19:52

neoglow said:
Is this whole HDR thing being blown out of proportion somewhat, has anyone seen a side by side comparison of HDR in games?

crikies

, never thought of trying to stream HDR on my PS4 since the update, i just watch it through the TV. will try it now though.

as for games, don't think there are any just yet.

theone8181 · 19 Sep 2016 at 21:25

Yungstar 2006 said:
crikies, never thought of trying to stream HDR on my PS4 since the update, i just watch it through the TV. will try it now though.

as for games, don't think there are any just yet.

I had a look on Netflix via my ps4 and there's no hdr option.

juno_first · 21 Sep 2016 at 08:41

On Netflix Marco Polo is in HDR. Even at 1080p I recon HDR looks better than 4k.
I dont have a PS4 anymore tho. Even Samsung wont update their SUHD HDR TV's to HDR in Netflix. Hopefully Sony are better.

theone8181 · 21 Sep 2016 at 12:51

juno_first said:
On Netflix Marco Polo is in HDR. Even at 1080p I recon HDR looks better than 4k.
I dont have a PS4 anymore tho. Even Samsung wont update their SUHD HDR TV's to HDR in Netflix. Hopefully Sony are better.

I think breaking bad is as well but neither of them have the little box thats says hdr, altho the netflix app on the ps4 has not been updated yet.

juno_first · 21 Sep 2016 at 18:33

Naa Breaking Bad is not HDR.
Daredevil should be but is not HDR in the UK.
Man in high castle has good HDR on Amazon.

theone8181 · 21 Sep 2016 at 20:46

juno_first said:
Naa Breaking Bad is not HDR.
Daredevil should be but is not HDR in the UK.
Man in high castle has good HDR on Amazon.

Sorry daredevil was the one I was thinking of. Wonder why not in UK?

juno_first · 22 Sep 2016 at 18:09

Daredevil season 2 is deffo HDR but its not showing as HDR on my Xbox slim like Marco Polo etc. does.
I don't know if you can spoof the DNS on Xbox to get the US Netflix. Has anyone seen Daredevil s2 in HDR? I'm waiting to watch it grr.

TALON1973 · 23 Sep 2016 at 18:29

theone8181 said:
I think breaking bad is as well but neither of them have the little box thats says hdr, altho the netflix app on the ps4 has not been updated yet.

Well Netflix updated first me yesterday. Not checked it out yet tho. Would hdmi splitter affect it ?

theone8181 · 24 Sep 2016 at 07:57

TALON1973 said:
Well Netflix updated first me yesterday. Not checked it out yet tho. Would hdmi splitter affect it ?

Not sure, ive got mine going thru an amp and the amp has to be hdmi 2.0a to pass thru HDR so i guess as long as your splitter is then it shouldnt be a problem.

Yungstar 2006 · 24 Sep 2016 at 12:28

oldestgregg said:
Not sure where to post this but I figured this may be relevant in this section...

The PS4 has had an update to support HDR but it only has HDMI 2.0 and not 2.0a. Howe can it support HDR then? Apologies for the noob question but I'm unsure how this is possible

HDR on the old PS4: No games, no streaming, just a useless menu option.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/09/ps4-hdr-no-games-media-useless/

juno_first · 24 Sep 2016 at 15:57

They're wrong about streaming not supporting 1080p HDR.
Where there are bandwidth limitations 4k will be dropped in favour of 1080p HDR as it looks better than 4k no HDR.

Here's proof from 9 months ago...
Amazon 1080p HDR

I haven't tried limiting my bandwidth to check if Netflix keep HDR when dropping the res as the Xbox Slim Netflix pumps everything out in 10bit so you dont know if its doing HDR or not & the Netflix HDR shows have poor HDR... They wont even let the UK have Daredevil s2 in HDR.

Samsung may update my tv to HDR in Netflix in November so I will check then.