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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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JediFragger said:
Worth waiting 2/3 more weeks for actual reviews imo, see what's what finally. AMD are proper ****s though for dragging this crap out this long with close to zero info regarding the gaming performance.
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oh yeah I wouldnt do anything at the moment without seeing it Jedi, was just wondering if it turns out a flop, then how would a high end NV card behave on Freesync screen without using vsync.
 
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TonyTurbo78 said:
oh yeah I wouldnt do anything at the moment without seeing it Jedi, was just wondering if it turns out a flop, then would a high end NV card behave on Freesync screen without using vsync.
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I might go the same route as you but willing to wait as not playing much until the new wolfenstein or cod are out, plenty on the ps4 to keep me going for now
 
shankly1985 said:
Something just doesn't add up with all this release. A part of me is expecting something big from this end of the month event! Maybe its just wishful thinking from me right now, but I dont see how a two year refresh can bring out a GPU that is only just faster than the FuryX.

28nm to 14nm
AMD always bang on about performance vs watt yet FE Vega tells a massive different story. Nothing seem to add up! So for now I standing by my own judgement and I expecting something big :D AMD is hiding something. A failure or Progress ?? We will all soon find out
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AMD are way, way behind on efficiency. EG, this RX580 uses more than a 1080, yet the 1080 is a good 60-70% faster in games.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/powercolor_radeon_rx_580_red_devil_review,5.html

To be honest, my theory is that it is the efficiency that is holding them back. You would have thought they could have put more cores on the top end VEGA with a smaller node, yet they still have the same number 4096. I also suspect there have been very little IPC gains, or that perhaps IPC has regressed (similar to Pascal) to obtain higher clocks.

I think, that is why we are looking at basically Fury X at higher clocks. They haven’t been able to improve power efficiency so if they used any more cores you would be looking at a 300w+ TDP card.

Just my thoughts based on what we have seen with Polaris and the VEGA FE. But I think basically AMD just can’t get better power efficiency out of GCN and 1080Ti performance is just too much of a stretch for them.
 
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nashathedog said:
I see what you mean, I alway's presumed that making a single architecture with 2 different types of memory was a no go, To be honest I'd be more than happy to see HBM get dropped and see GDDR6 take it's place with AMD as so far it seems to have done nothing well.
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Only issue with that is how much bandwidth the highest-end Navi may need.

600mm2 (or 4 200mm2 dies if it's MCM) on 7nm could plausibly give over 40 Tflops, so 3xGTX 1080 Ti ballpark.

Even the max GDDR6, at 16000 MHz, and on a 512-bit bus would give 1TB/s. That's likely not enough for 40 Tflops.

I'd have thought 20-25 Tflops would be the limit of 1TB/s, and that would only be a ~350mm2 chip on 7nm. Also 512-bit buses are usually avoided, so realistically GDDR6 tops out at 768 GB/s.

The 1080 Ti and Titan Xp still make nice gains having their memory overclocked up to 600 GB/s, and they're only ~14 Tflops.

So potentially, unless there's some more memory efficiency gains, all chips over ~300-350mm2 on 7nm could ideally do with 4 stacks of the slowest HBM3, or 2 stacks of the fastest.

Whereas the smaller cards would prefer GDDR6 and 256-bit and 384-bit buses, because it's cheap and easy. So Probably both AMD and Nvidia will have to design for GDDR6 and HBM3 in mind, for their 7nm generations.
 
shankly1985 said:
Even if RX Vega was a massive failure and I wanted to buy Nvidia I wouldn't even go 1080Ti I would wait for Volta.
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more waiting Shanks, thought the same to be fair, but if its another 6 months 9 months away or whatever, thats a large amount of time when games are only getting more demanding. And just how much do you think that 50% extra performance over a 1080ti is going to cost?? Hope you still got a few spare organs to cash in on. There will be no AMD to compete with, Nvidia will price it totally bonkers.
 
DazQ87 said:
It's probably a good thing Nvidia don't support freesync because I suspect they did more people would have bought 1070s/1080s by now and left AMD with an even smaller market share and less R+D budget.
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I imagine that's an ace Nvidia is keeping up it's sleeve for if their market share takes a dive.
 
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melmac said:
I presume you are talking about gaming. Vega FE isn't aimed at gamers. It was even said at the launch, if you are a gamer wait for RX Vega. They have always claimed RX Vega would be better for gaming.

So not sure what your post is implying?

EDIT: Ah, never mind, I know what you are implying. You wanted to show the hypocrisy card against those people who ranted about what a slap in the face it was from Nvidia for releasing the 980ti so soon after Titan Maxell. That if they didn't complain about this, then that would be hypocrisy on their part.

Epic fail Bru.
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Eh?

What has my post got to do with NVidia, stop looking for malice where none is intended.

AMD are the ones who are launching these cards, the Frontier Edition has to stand on its own two feet, for considerably more cash then the RX gaming variant (we hope), if there is a major shift in performance, for either gaming or professional use, then at least that would be something. I would not be surprised if not many sites test the RX in the professional applications that the FE does reasonably well in. (hopefully AMD don't have that as a requirement in the free press samples, assuming they send some out)

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TonyTurbo78 said:
more waiting Shanks, thought the same to be fair, but if its another 6 months 9 months away or whatever, thats a large amount of time when games are only getting more demanding. And just how much do you think that 50% extra performance over a 1080ti is going to cost?? Hope you still got a few spare organs to cash in on. There will be no AMD to compete with, Nvidia will price it totally bonkers.
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It's a massive headache atm Haaa I just want to upgrade to something worthwhile.
For AMDs GPU sake I hope RX Vega delivers, hell for the PC gaming markets sake. One player isn't going to be good for us customers.

Just look at what Ryzen has done to the CPU section it's made competition happen you now have Intel releasing all the CPU's in a panic attack.
 
shankly1985 said:
Something just doesn't add up with all this release. A part of me is expecting something big from this end of the month event! Maybe its just wishful thinking from me right now, but I dont see how a two year refresh can bring out a GPU that is only just faster than the FuryX.

28nm to 14nm
AMD always bang on about performance vs watt yet FE Vega tells a massive different story. Nothing seem to add up! So for now I standing by my own judgement and I expecting something big :D AMD is hiding something. A failure or Progress ?? We will all soon find out
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We can only hope your right and AMD have something up their sleeve, else what a disaster for them, which we can assume that it will only hit their bottom line hard.
Thank god Ryzen is actually doing reasonably well.
 
subbytna said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s

It's known as "planned obsolescence"

Watch the whole video, 20mins long, but the facts and evidence are from about 10mins onwards
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That video isnt massively strong on facts or evidence - a single beta patch for 1 game hardly constitutes a pattern - particularly when that video is mainly aimed at gameworks and hose settings can be disabled anyway - his point doesnt even really stand up as there is a maxwell card that drops as much as kepler cards so it could be something else like amount of memory coming in to play rather than specifically driver knobbling of specific cards

There are several other reviews of drivers over time that failed to find anything like the same, with actually the opposite, steady increases over time
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
oh yeah I wouldnt do anything at the moment without seeing it Jedi, was just wondering if it turns out a flop, then how would a high end NV card behave on Freesync screen without using vsync.
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I sold my Fury about 8 weeks a go and have been gaming with a 6gb 1060 while a wait for Vega, It would have been a Polaris chip but the mining thing happened :( Anyway I'm running a 3440x1440 75hz freesync monitor and so far it's been great, One game was a bit jittery but I don't remember which, I've also got Fast sync on, Overall it seems okay, But i do want to get back to ReLive :D
 
JediFragger said:
Worth waiting 2/3 more weeks for actual reviews imo, see what's what finally. AMD are proper ****s though for dragging this crap out this long with close to zero info regarding the gaming performance.
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I know right, how dare they. It's almost as if they don't want info leaking out, next thing we know they'll be using NDAs... oh wait.
 
bru said:
Ok so let's day that RX Vega arrives in a week and performs significantly better than the FE variant, what is that saying to all the people that paid a lot of money for said FE variant?

At the end of the day, the Frontier Edition is a complete product in its own right and they didn't launch it as a vague early release demo of their upcoming gaming card.
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Why would FE buyers care if RX is faster in gaming? FE is compute/workstation card.

TonyTurbo78 said:
I'm still shocked there is nothing coming out of this event that is happening right now in Oregon. It's meant to be 21-23rd is it not, absolute blanket silence. AMD are completely out of touch when it comes to GPU releases, I just never understand their attitude to this sort of thing. Winds me up no end, I think they are partly the reason for my annoyance and disappointment with PC gaming right now.
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old gamer said:
I just don't get why there doing these roadshow and saying nothing about performance, it feels like it's not performing well but if they don't mention it then hopefully no one will notice
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Crazy thinking they havent shown RX cards, its performance its specs or even sold it! And we are so close the release date! What is the point of release event if you havent shown and told everything about these cards. Just complitely nuts. What I would do is sell the cards couple of months and then hold the release event. There would be no suprises and everybody would be happy.
 
Skribla said:
GameGPU appear to be using the 1.3 BETA drivers.. "planned obsolescence" fail..
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How's it a fail? Clearly show previous nvidia cards struggling, not just AMD, bottom line is Gameworks is deisgned to get users to upgrade by hurting previous gen cards. It's not anything good, it's a marketing scam.
 
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