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7700k and a msi gtx980ti 6g

marcus1954

marcus1954

marcus1954

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hi all im thinking of changing my build to a kabylake system and going to windows 10 64bit .
I mainly play games such as witcher3 ,elder scrolls online ,overwatch, dialo3 etc. is this setup a good one that im looking at. my monitor is a dell s2716dg . look forward to peoples comments .
 
If you play mmo's then the i7 would be the way to go.
I wouldn't suggest buying a quad core if you don't upgrade often. I would wait to see what coffeelake can bring then you can get the best of both worlds and its just a matter of price then.
Of course there is ryzen to consider. Ignore the cynics.
 
marcus1954 said:
hi all im thinking of changing my build to a kabylake system and going to windows 10 64bit .
I mainly play games such as witcher3 ,elder scrolls online ,overwatch, dialo3 etc. is this setup a good one that im looking at. my monitor is a dell s2716dg . look forward to peoples comments .
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at 2560x1440 makes sense to buy a Ryzen cpu. GPUS (even 1080ti) are bottleneck. The 1700 is cheaper than the 7700K and is not dead platform like the Z270, while allows for more than running a game alone, and not daring to run anything else on the background. If you look for good cheap board the Asus B350 Stixx is superb, but make sure if you are buying ram, that is compatible. (check the PDF).

I play TESO, and wasn't an issue neither with the 1700X nor the 6800K, compared to the 6700K @ 4.8Ghz. On the contrary, everything run better having TS on the background and streaming radio.
 
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Go Ryzen or wait for coffeelake. There is little reason to go 7700k with coffeelake so close. It might be worse but at least wait for benchmarks.
 
gavinh87 said:
Then why ask for opinions? Your mind is made up, get the i7 and be happy.
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Exactly.

Why "never buy AMD"? Have you fallen for the "Intel is best and can do no wrong" mantra?

I've been Intel and Nvidia for almost 20 years but I'd recommend AMD now and that's my next upgrade. Intel take the P with its buyers and Nvidia too. AMD provides best bang for buck in the money stakes.
 
subbytna said:
Exactly.

Why "never buy AMD"? Have you fallen for the "Intel is best and can do no wrong" mantra?

I've been Intel and Nvidia for almost 20 years but I'd recommend AMD now and that's my next upgrade. Intel take the P with its buyers and Nvidia too. AMD provides best bang for buck in the money stakes.
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My friend has been working for the largest IT companies in the world for many years. One of his duty has been to read the internal reports, i.e. which CPUs they are deploying and how many of each, what kind of bugs/issues there are etc. According to the internal data, AMD CPUs do have more bugs. For example, AMD CPUs have a higher probability to encounter illegal instructions. Fewer people there are using AMD CPUs, therefore the compilers more likely screw up the optimisations for AMD. In the end, it's either AMD CPUs running slower, or AMD CPUs more likely to get "segmentation fault (core dumped)".
 
voidshatter said:
Ryzen army will flood in and quote the very few games and attempt to convert you for believing that in the near future (life-cycle of the 1st gen Ryzen) there will be many enough games optimised for more than 4C8T.
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Meanwhile my 6600k barely scrapes 30% usage per core on every game at 4k

It will be a very very very long time before these i5s get even close to maxed out at higher resolutions
 
voidshatter said:
Ryzen army will flood in and quote the very few games and attempt to convert you for believing that in the near future (life-cycle of the 1st gen Ryzen) there will be many enough games optimised for more than 4C8T.
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People are suggesting Ryzen because it has a better upgrade path, with an already more matured platform it has closed the initial gap on Intel chips.

It's swings and roundabouts but you should buy what you want, they are both excellent chips.

Intel fanbois told me that a core i5 is all I would ever need.
 
voidshatter said:
I'd trust objective data other than subjective opinions.
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AMD have confirmed that their APUs will operate on the AM4 platform. That's absolute entry level all the way up to their 1800X.

"While Anderson’s responsible for bringing Ryzen to market—“you don’t have any idea how many hours I and my team have spent on this,” Anderson said—it’s Papermaster who has to think of the future. When asked how long Zen would last, compared to Intel’s two-year tick-tock cadence, Papermaster confirmed the four-year lifespan and tapped the table in front of him: “We’re not going tick-tock,” he said. “Zen is going to be tock, tock, tock.”"

Whilst none of us have a crystal ball we know historically that AMD support their platforms for a good few years. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that a customer purchasing an AM4 chipset today will be able to install a new CPU in there in 2 or 3 years time.

We know for a fact that is not the case for Intel. Most people probably don't replace their CPU every 2 to 3 years. Most people run them into the ground and obsolescence.

I don't know why you are so uppity about people suggesting Ryzen builds, the 1600 is now the no.1 selling CPU on a certain online retailer. It didn't get there through being rubbish now.
 
voidshatter said:
My friend has been working for the largest IT companies in the world for many years. One of his duty has been to read the internal reports, i.e. which CPUs they are deploying and how many of each, what kind of bugs/issues there are etc. According to the internal data, AMD CPUs do have more bugs. For example, AMD CPUs have a higher probability to encounter illegal instructions. Fewer people there are using AMD CPUs, therefore the compilers more likely screw up the optimisations for AMD. In the end, it's either AMD CPUs running slower, or AMD CPUs more likely to get "segmentation fault (core dumped)".
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Funny that - you should see some of the NASA tests they did on Llano,where it resisted radiation better than the Intel chips,LOL due to the use of a SOI process.

In academia some of the fastest UK clusters have been AMD powered,and in fact a number of supercomputers in the US too,including one which was considered the fastest in the world a few years ago. Someone mentioned here (IIRC),that one of the UK universities is deploying a Ryzen(probably TR based) powered cluster in due course.

What hardware enthusiasts on forums don't understand is that ALL Intel and AMD CPUs have bugs which are known as errata,and a few notable ones have made the rounds of the press for Intel CPUs.

Most of these have very little relevance to gamers,though so trying to keep repeating it seems like fearmongering due to purchase justification.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Funny that - you should see some of the NASA tests they did on Llano,where it resisted radiation better than the Intel chips,LOL due to the use of a SOI process.

In academia some of the fastest UK clusters have been AMD powered,and in fact a number of supercomputers in the US too,including one which was considered the fastest in the world a few years ago. Someone mentioned here (IIRC),that one of the UK universities is deploying a Ryzen(probably TR based) powered cluster in due course.

What hardware enthusiasts on forums don't understand is that ALL Intel and AMD CPUs have bugs which are known as errata,and a few notable ones have made the rounds of the press for Intel CPUs.

Most of these have very little relevance to gamers,though so trying to keep repeating it seems like fearmongering due to purchase justification.
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I don't care about UK clusters since they can't even make it to the top 10 in June 2017. The University of Oxford has been using Intel and nVidia for super-computing purposes. Professor Mike Giles explicitly taught us that the APIs and libraries provided by AMD were more buggy for GPGPU, which was confirmed by many students attending his lecture. With AMD you generally write your code for 1 day and debug for 4 days, while with Intel + nVidia you normally write your code for 1 day and debug for 1 day.

It doesn't look quite well for AMD in the top 10 list.

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The only reason you don't like it or the fact ORNL even used AMD CPUs is in the past,is it debunks the fact AMD is "buggy" and unfortunately for you almost all new generation Airbus and Boeing commerical and military airlifters actually have their cockpit display systems powered by AMD chips.

You are immensely clueless that all chips have errata,going back to the Pentium days,and that affects chips from both companies.

This is a recent one:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/25/intel_skylake_kaby_lake_hyperthreading/

Yet I didn't see you talking much about that.

Plus what has any of these Intel or AMD errata or GPGPU have to do with gaming also,especially when sadly for you both the major consoles are running "buggy" AMD CPUs and GPUs means,that if anything for gaming which is the focus of the OP,it should mean AMD is better characterised than Intel or Nvidia going by your logic.

All you are doing is trying to spread rubbish about AMD having more faults in a gaming thread when both Sony and MS seem sufficiently not worried,let alone Airbus or Boeing.

If you have an issue with that you might want to talk to MS,Sony,Airbus and Boeing.

Oh,also sadly for you MS has also said they are using Ryzen for Azure and Baidu too:

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/microsoft-azure-baidu-embrace-amds-new-epyc-data-center-processor/

I would rather trust those companies than some hardware enthusiast on a forum who is panicking about errors.

If you are that scared,use an abacus.

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Oh,another thing I hope you NEVER overclock,or never use non-ECC RAM in your gaming systems.

Since overclocking increases the changes of out of spec errors,including anything over 2400MHZ Ram on an Intel system as that is out of spec,and non-ECC RAM has greater chance of issues cropping up over longer runs.

I also sincerely hope you never use an aftermarket card design as they also run out of official reference spec.

Also non-certified gaming drivers are usually much more buggier than certified drivers,so I would expect running games scares you.

This is why Intel and AMD always release new drivers with "bug" fixes.

BTW,I expect all your drives are running in RAID5,just in case you have an error and it needs correction??

I assume you have one of those server PSUs,with dual power sections(in case one fails??).

Got to say your gaming system sounds like it will probably survive the next solar flare cycle!!
 
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my rig atm has a sandybridge 2600k on a p8p67pro 3.1 board 2011 vintage it has served me well but I think its now reached the time to change it is paired with an msi gtx980ti 6g and I think it is now bottlenecking in some games not badly but bounces a bit. the only think I have a problem with is leaving olde faithfull win 7 pro 64bit as I believe kaby lakes don't work with it
 
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