AMD's answer to RTX - 7nm Vega

opethdisciple · 2 Oct 2018 at 23:01

I looked for a thread to post this in but didn't find anything applicable.

Thought this video was worth posting.

Good info from about 9min onwards.

If this is true might be worth hanging on as should lower the prices of the 2000 series.

loftie · 3 Oct 2018 at 00:05

Was posted in this one https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/amd-7nm-gpu-news-and-rumours-2018-2019.18830108/

Panos · 3 Oct 2018 at 06:34

opethdisciple said:
I looked for a thread to post this in but didn't find anything applicable.

Thought this video was worth posting.

Good info from about 9min onwards.

If this is true might be worth hanging on as should lower the prices of the 2000 series.

We won't see Vega 20 in consumer graphic card market. Next one up is Navi next year, coming with infinity fabric. True Vega 20 is a monster that could beat to submission the RTX2080Ti but i doubt AMD will put a $1300 GPU on the market. (Vega 20 is expensive to make).

nashathedog · 3 Oct 2018 at 09:06

opethdisciple said:
I looked for a thread to post this in but didn't find anything applicable.

Thought this video was worth posting.

Good info from about 9min onwards.

If this is true might be worth hanging on as should lower the prices of the 2000 series.

And that's why it'll always be an uphill battle for AMD. :rolleyes:

orbitalwalsh · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:15

Panos said:
We won't see Vega 20 in consumer graphic card market. Next one up is Navi next year, coming with infinity fabric. True Vega 20 is a monster that could beat to submission the RTX2080Ti but i doubt AMD will put a $1300 GPU on the market. (Vega 20 is expensive to make).

nvidia did , and people buying it till its out of stock

LoadsaMoney · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:25

orbitalwalsh said:
nvidia did , and people buying it till its out of stock

Yeah they did, but Nvidia can sell a $1300 gaming GPU, AMD can't.

orbitalwalsh · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:29

LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah they did, but Nvidia can sell a $1300 gaming GPU, AMD can't.

there will always be someone to buy a product, specially when you've for faster/higher res freesync screens for cheaper etc .

if they were smart, would do what nvidia do and cut AIB and offer it up only through their store front etc

Marine-RX179 · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:41

LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah they did, but Nvidia can sell a $1300 gaming GPU, AMD can't.

Reminds me of Apple vs the rest of the phone makers

Safetytrousers · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:47

NVIDIA's RTX launch looks like it was an answer to AMD 7nm.
Going by the AMD 7nm speculation the 2080ti will still be king of the performance heap. It all conforms to a speculative theory made some weeks ago.

Marine-RX179 · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:50

Safetytrousers said:
NVIDIA's RTX launch looks like it was an answer to AMD 7nm.

In a way it is. They basically trying to empty people's wallet before 7nm drop, so when 7nm drops people won't have the money or reluctant to spend the money on upgrading again.

WantoN · 3 Oct 2018 at 13:58

If AMD can bring me 1080ti performance for sub £500, I'd love to go team red again.

Paladine · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:03

LOL how cute, AMD bringing out a 7nm space heater that will perform worse than GTX 1050 and need you to remortgage your house to pay the power bills...

Sorry guys but we have been here before... many many many times. AMD claim to have the next best thing since Astroglide was invented, they launch it (late) to much fanfare, people buy it and then immediately wish they hadn't because it doesn't perform anywhere near the level they were promised and it is obsolete within 2 months... I was red for 15 years - repeatedly let down time and time and time again - not falling for their crap anymore.

WantoN · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:10

Paladine said:
LOL how cute, AMD bringing out a 7nm space heater that will perform worse than GTX 1050 and need you to remortgage your house to pay the power bills...

Sorry guys but we have been here before... many many many times. AMD claim to have the next best thing since Astroglide was invented, they launch it (late) to much fanfare, people buy it and then immediately wish they hadn't because it doesn't perform anywhere near the level they were promised and it is obsolete within 2 months... I was red for 15 years - repeatedly let down time and time and time again - not falling for their crap anymore.

This seems rather sensationalist. Vega 64 beat everything but the 1080ti. It's prices were driven up drastically by the mining boom, and whilst the RRP was perhaps a little optomistic, it wasn't madness. Nvidia's new cards are power hungry, and intel's chips are hot too. In fact AMD seem to be the more power efficient right now, at least as far as CPUs go.

I'm not a fanboy of either side, never have been, so I don't feel any bitterness. I just buy what makes sense for my performance requirement, and budget. But I do think, if serious, you have a heavy bias. If the subject video is correct and AMD can release something equivalent to / more powerful than the 1080ti (at the right price) then I find it hard to believe that they won't sell very well. I'd buy one, anyway.

AMD have released excellent cards, you just have to go further back into their past to find them. Given how well they've done with Ryzen, if they play it right they could still do well with the graphics space. Personally I think that Navi is the more likely candidate for success, but I don't see why a 7nm Vega success has to be in the realms of impossibility. What they need to do is claw back mindshare, which they're already achieving with Ryzen.

Gerard · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:17

Paladine said:
LOL how cute, AMD bringing out a 7nm space heater that will perform worse than GTX 1050 and need you to remortgage your house to pay the power bills...

Sorry but that has to be one of the biggest loads of crap i've ever seen posted on this forum, and that's saying something.

zophiel · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:28

reading back in other threads there is no way paladine ever owned anything but nvidia. he/she is so ridiculously biased its pathetic. every post is an attack on amd lol

Wrinkly · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:48

Paladine said:
LOL how cute, AMD bringing out a 7nm space heater that will perform worse than GTX 1050 and need you to remortgage your house to pay the power bills...

Sorry guys but we have been here before... many many many times. AMD claim to have the next best thing since Astroglide was invented, they launch it (late) to much fanfare, people buy it and then immediately wish they hadn't because it doesn't perform anywhere near the level they were promised and it is obsolete within 2 months... I was red for 15 years - repeatedly let down time and time and time again - not falling for their crap anymore.

Have you not seen the power requirements of the overclocked 2080Ti?

LoadsaMoney · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:50

Wrinkly said:
Have you not seen the power requirements of the overclocked 2080Ti?

Its fine, its Nvidia.

Paladine · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:54

zophiel said:
reading back in other threads there is no way paladine ever owned anything but nvidia. he/she is so ridiculously biased its pathetic. every post is an attack on amd lol

My current rig has R9 390X, my previous cards were R9 290, HD7870, HD6870, HD5870 forget what I had before that but prior to that I also owned a couple of Rage cards, 7500 cards etc. My first Nvidia since about 2001 was the 980Ti (which is currently in my wife's machine). Prior to my 6700k I always had AMD CPUs as well apart from an Intel DX2 back in the days when you were probably still messing your diaper.

Also every post an attack on AMD? That is just baseless crap - I have barely mentioned AMD in any of my posts and I have been posting here for about 12 years...

Vince · 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59

Paladine said:
My current rig has R9 390X, my previous cards were R9 290, HD7870, HD6870, HD5870 forget what I had before that but prior to that I also owned a couple of Rage cards, 7500 cards etc. My first Nvidia since about 2001 was the 980Ti (which is currently in my wife's machine). Prior to my 6700k I always had AMD CPUs as well apart from an Intel DX2 back in the days when you were probably still messing your diaper.

Also every post an attack on AMD? That is just baseless crap - I have barely mentioned AMD in any of my posts and I have been posting here for about 12 years...

Then you will remember the 9700pro...

I won't say any more. I don't need to, nothing and I mean nothing was even close to that beast.

Paladine · 3 Oct 2018 at 15:09

Vince said:
Then you will remember the 9700pro...

I won't say any more. I don't need to, nothing and I mean nothing was even close to that beast.

And pretty much everything since has been utter crap (with a few minor exceptions). As I said, I was red over 15 years - I first started building systems in the early 90s starting with old unix servers running system v and vms - I was a loyal AMD builder from the very start (welll almost I missed K5) with K6, Athlon64, Phenom and then Bulldozer before getting my 6700k - you will be hard pressed to find many people who have used as many AMD products for as long as I have - but facts are facts and AMD cannot match Nvidia for performance on GPUs and haven't been able to for some time.