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CPU debate - sighh

Well there we go, thanks chaps, i think that is what i will do, ill jump ship from Intel and join the AMD Band Waggon once again.

I wasnt sure on 370 or 470 but that is now clear and ill go with the later for no other fact than its newer.
 
On a 2k budget you could get the 8pack 2700 bundle overclocked to 4.1 with 16Gb of Ram AIO etc for 890 and a
Vega VII or 2080 for 800...

Leaves you 310 for Storage, Case and PSU.

You are getting known good components that work together and you could easily drop a 7nm Ryzen in there later if needed.

That would be a beastly system.
 
I'm in the same exact boat.. 2600k needing an upgrade and just picking up gaming again.

I bought an RTX 2060 and that alone has proven enough to get going with the 2600k seeing as I only have a 60hz monitor. So maybe you might wanna try just getting the 2070 now and see how you fare.

I'm getting around 115fps average in Apex legends on low settings, so am just about to buy a 144hz monitor and will follow the advice here and wait for the summer to check out the Ryzen 3000s.

Do Ryzen's overclock well and will they have the same kind of longevity that intel CPU's have had over the last years/decade?
 
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I would say they overclock about the same, if you talking from non turbo clock's, but ryzen's auto o/c is a lot better than intel's so the results of manual o/c over that may be more limited.

p state overclocking which is gaining traction on the ryzen platform has my interest.

An observation I made is that these chips in stock non turbo clocks are really power and heat efficient, my chip runs at 1.08v at 3.6ghz, 44C under stress load using the supplied AMD cooler. That for a 6 core wipes the floor with intel. But when you hit the xfr clocks the vcore rises rapidly although they stay within TDP limits and temps are still reasonable compared to intel. (These chips are so efficient without XFR there is people on reddit who have decided to disable CPB to keep the super low vcore, as going from 1.08 to 1.4+ is a bit much for some people to stomach.)

So I noticed when core performance boost is enabled (XFR), that I dont usually see the stock max clocks, its either in idle clocks or in turbo clocks, it seems very aggressive in going to the turbo clocks. This is why I am interested in p-state overclocking as that can be used to keep the chips in non XFR clocks, and only utilise turbo clocks when the cpu utilisation is actually heavy not when you just loading notepad.

How would I put it, consider how primitive old style overclocking is in afterburner vs the voltage curve, thats how I see p-state overclocking, its the future.

On the subject of that 8pack build, my issue with that build is if I am spending 2k on a rig, I would want more than 16 gig of ram for my money, especially with recent ram price drops, there really should be 32gig in there.

Also I have changed my view a bit on the b450 chipset.

I can see now from a bit of research that although the b450 chipsets are absolutely fine for the normal auto o/c (my chip clocks as high as those using x470 with same chip, same with ram), the limitation comes when you want to do stuff manually, e.g. my board has no p-state controls whilst asrock's x470 boards do, also I cannot control LLC, so for manual o/c the board has less ability to apply granular tuning.
 
The 9700K actually is a good chip tho i'm not convinced it has the longevity and at near £400 its too expensive.

Its a tricky one, they main problem it has is like Intel's entire range, the upcoming Zen 2, AMD demoed an 8 core 16 thread Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000, confusing i know) and it was at least as fast as the 9900K, the rumor is that particular chip is the 2600X replacement, so mid range and much less expensive than the 9900K and 9700K.
 
Ok, this is how i tend to view these things, if your budget allows for an RTX 2080TI + 9700K get that, if it only stretches to a 9700K + 2080 i would ditch the 9700K and go for a 2080TI + Ryzen 2600 instead.
 
Good luck with whatever you choose on the GPU front. If you could share the build you end up going for that would be awesome.

I saw your other thread - dumb question, but I would have thought budget wise a 2070 under water would be close to 2080 / Vega VII money once you factor in the water block etc... and even water cooled a 2070 is not going to touch a 2080 surely? Don't get me wrong a water cooled card looks awesome though.
 
Good luck with whatever you choose on the GPU front. If you could share the build you end up going for that would be awesome.

I saw your other thread - dumb question, but I would have thought budget wise a 2070 under water would be close to 2080 / Vega VII money once you factor in the water block etc... and even water cooled a 2070 is not going to touch a 2080 surely? Don't get me wrong a water cooled card looks awesome though.

Maybe not, but i ideally want to put the card under water, and i dont do an awful lot of gaming these days so dont fancy the massive expense of the 2080 for the once or twice a week i get in game.
 
This is a bad time to be doing a complete rebuild, If you must get something now get a gpu & wait for the X570 motherboards before upgrading to a new platform, Your i7's still a capable cpu when it comes to gaming & if you want to build a rig to last you wait a few months, it makes a lot more sense to me.
 
As those monitors are 60Hz I would just go with a gpu for the short term. This is assuming you are sticking with them and not buying a high refresh rate panel.

The i7 2600K is still a decent cpu, so overclock it if it is at stock and just go with a 2070 or Vega 64. Then decide on a new cpu/board in Summer once Ryzen 3000 is released.
Most sense in this thread!
 
Hello to one and all,

I am back, after 4/5 years break from PC Gaming i am making a bit of a return, my clan is still going and i am getting a bit more of a taste for games again (more so the banter with my buddies).

I am still on my old 2600K rig and i am planning a new build in the next week or so and i just really cant decide on what to do.

I spend all day every day working with IT (server/citrix) and i just have not had the brain energy to keep up with consumer hardware etc so i am hoping for some pointers.

I am really unsure on AMD or Intel, One minute im all for TR then im reading "No! TR is no good for gaming, get the 9900k" then i look at the 9900K and i see "Dont waste the money get a Ryzen"...

My main use of the PC is admin work, the odd VM for UAT and gaming - reason for this more than anything is i bought BF5 the other week and once installed... "NAH" - CPU and GFX is a no no.

I do like a nice new project and i am spending more and more time in the office too. so if i dont get the use out of gaming i will from VM Ware.

Can anyone shed any light on this for me.


I will be starting another thread under General HW for the rest of the build but i cant do this until i know my CPU / Chipset

Budget is £2k but ideally less.

Thanks
Couldn’t interest you in a TR1920x and zenith board could I?
 
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