Help me settle a Michael Jackson debate with a friend

robgmun · 20 Feb 2019 at 10:41

ttaskmaster said:
No, just met a lot of people who pulled this sort of thing. I've no time for incompetent efforts at playground psychology, so harsh reactions are the simplest and quickest resort. They tend not to change either, instead finding another audience for their drama, so not worth any more effort than that.

That's true, i've met a few people like this and they never learn/change, the best thing to do it cut these kind of people out of your life, or they drag you down with their 'drama'

aardvark · 20 Feb 2019 at 13:21

SexyGreyFox said:
Well I have, I am 100% positive he is a nonce but he didn't think he was being a nonce.
However because of how he was bought up I can understand how he acted but I can't obviously condone it.
In his head he was still a 12 year old.

with the sexual desires of an adult - you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see the problems this often causes.

silversurfer · 22 Feb 2019 at 21:48

Reminds me of one of those movies where the best thing about it is the trailer. If there is anything of substance I guess we'll hear about it but cool trailer anywho

trigg_27 · 23 Feb 2019 at 11:00

I'm of the opinion that Jackson did behave inappropriately with children, but that's all it is - an opinion. I certainly wouldn't disown someone if they thought differently.

To my mind, there are just too many similar stories surfacing and I was always uneasy about the payoff for Jordi Chandler

SexyGreyFox · 23 Feb 2019 at 11:14

trigg_27 said:
To my mind, there are just too many similar stories surfacing and I was always uneasy about the payoff for Jordi Chandler

There were two multi million pay offs. I believe America ended up changing their laws because of it.

FoxEye · 23 Feb 2019 at 12:22

trigg_27 said:
I'm of the opinion that Jackson did behave inappropriately with children, but that's all it is - an opinion. I certainly wouldn't disown someone if they thought differently.

To my mind, there are just too many similar stories surfacing and I was always uneasy about the payoff for Jordi Chandler

I think a lot of us believe he acted inappropriately. But did he sexually abuse them, that's the question.

In fact I don't think there's any doubt at all what he did was totally inappropriate for a grown man.

Making no assumptions about his guilt or otherwise, it is plain to see that accusations = guilt in the minds of many. And in the case of celebrities I believe once the ball is rolling you will not be short of people willing to make false accusations.

So in that way it can be almost impossible once accused to remove the suspicion and presumed guilt in the minds of many.

frisbie · 3 Mar 2019 at 20:30

The accused is dead and a dead man cannot face trial. We saw the huge Jimmy Saville horror unfold to a pointless conclusion. Fortunately there are more child abusers being brought to book now. When you think that two generations ago fathers and grandfathers sexually abused their children and family shame stopped the villains being punished.
Children's homes have been terrible places for child abuse, let's hope this has been stopped.

rainbowGuy · 3 Mar 2019 at 21:41

is Mcaulay Culkin lying then when he says nothing happened?

dowie · 3 Mar 2019 at 21:52

rainbowGuy said:
is Mcaulay Culkin lying then when he says nothing happened?

What does that have to do with anything?

Does Macaulay Culkin have to have been abused in order for all other abuse claims to be valid?

As far as I'm aware he's never made any abuse allegations and I'm not sure that anyone has claimed otherwise ergo it seems like a bit of an odd question to pose in the thread.

terley · 4 Mar 2019 at 02:55

frisbie said:
The accused is dead and a dead man cannot face trial. We saw the huge Jimmy Saville horror unfold to a pointless conclusion. Fortunately there are more child abusers being brought to book now. When you think that two generations ago fathers and grandfathers sexually abused their children and family shame stopped the villains being punished.
Children's homes have been terrible places for child abuse, let's hope this has been stopped.

Because if he is a paedophile people need to know because currently deified by many people.

Amnesia · 4 Mar 2019 at 03:45

terley said:
No, he is a huge trump supporter and supports Brexit. He is anti-immigration to the extreme.

sounds about right

FTM · 4 Mar 2019 at 08:38

your friend is a Buffoon..theres nothing more need to be added

jpaul · 4 Mar 2019 at 09:03

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/...kson-documentary-channel-4-air-date-time-hbo/
Leaving Neverland airs in two 90-minute episodes over two consecutive nights at 9pm on Wednesday 6th and Thursday 7th March on Channel 4.

It does not seem that documentary will try and analyse, if possible, the roots of his behaviour. - nature,nurture

Skidder · 4 Mar 2019 at 09:16

rainbowGuy said:
is Mcaulay Culkin lying then when he says nothing happened?

Yeah, he didn't diddle me either, therefore can't be a wrongun.

dowie · 4 Mar 2019 at 09:22

Skidder said:
Yeah, he didn't diddle me either, therefore can't be a wrongun.

Indeed, that other poster has some sound logic:

Jacko either abused all the kids or none at all, there can't possibly be any other scenarios.

glenimp617 · 4 Mar 2019 at 10:37

Even if Mcaulay Culkin was abused, he would probably keep it quiet due to his career......well, you know what I mean.

mmj_uk · 4 Mar 2019 at 13:18

The thing is it's easy to come out and accuse someone of something when they're dead and no longer able to defend themselves. This is like the #metoo campaign where you can just accuse someone with zero evidence and ruin their reputation with no repercussions to yourself, nobody will ever know what really went on behind closed doors. I would have had more respect for the parents who let children have sleepovers with him if they'd not taken the money and pushed for a prison sentence, as it stands it could have easily been the parents themselves being predatory towards his money.

At the end of the day this is only coming out now because there is a new documentary needing publicity and to create revenue at the box office.

SexyGreyFox · 4 Mar 2019 at 23:12

I'm one hour in and I believe every word up to yet.

ubersonic · 5 Mar 2019 at 20:39

mmj_uk said:
The thing is it's easy to come out and accuse someone of something when they're dead and no longer able to defend themselves. This is like the #metoo campaign where you can just accuse someone with zero evidence and ruin their reputation with no repercussions to yourself, nobody will ever know what really went on behind closed doors.

That's why his new gold diggers *cough* I mean accusers have come out now to make claims (despite defending him previously). It's sad that Jako won't be able to beat these claims like the previous ones* but on the other hand it's kind of good he doesn't have to go through it all again.

*he wasn't just found not guilty but his accusers were proven in court to be lying. This is something a surprising low amount of people seem to know due to him being a peado being "common knowledge" >.>

SexyGreyFox · 5 Mar 2019 at 21:43

ubersonic said:
That's why his new gold diggers *cough* I mean accusers

They are not new gold diggers, they are the lads he had living with him at Neverland with their parents who already had multi million payouts but kept their gobs shut.
I've watched the first two hours and it all fits together like a jigsaw, I'm 100% convinced.