Joe Biden, Lucy Flores and others . . .

[stockhausen]

Joe Biden has recently become embroiled in the inappropriate touching controversy:

Former Nevada assemblywoman Lucy Flores alleged that Biden walked up behind her, put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair, and kissed the back of her head. She said that the way he touched her was "an intimate way reserved for close friends, family, or romantic partners".

I have seen a photograph where Biden is standing behind her at what I believe was some official event involving her husband. He has his hands on her shoulders and is leaning into her hair. I have no real idea what the context was or how well they knew one another but I can accept that he did seem to be getting a wee bit "touchy-feely" and that it did seem over-familiar.

However, this is not my real point. On the BBC Radio 4 Today program this (Thursday) morning there was a discussion about this involving two women.

One woman expressed the view that the current outrage about men invading women's "private space" was getting out of hand and almost generating an "us and them" environment.

The other woman suggested that men should NEVER under any circumstances violate a woman's "private space" without first seeking and getting her express permission. If the man in question was unwilling to seek permission he should not invade her "private space".

Whilst I am absolutely certain that men frequently feel entitled to manhandle women inappropriately I simply can't go along with the idea expressed by the second woman; next one will have to obtain a signed permission witnessed by a third party.

Men should learn some manners and women should learn to give perverts a damned good slap . . . or knee in the groin - lawyers should not get involved

 

[h4rm0ny]

Joe Biden is not the hill anyone should wish to die on. I've seen compilation videos of him with women and young girls and some of the things he's said to them as well. This isn't a case of a friendly gesture or a tentative romantic overture ready to back off if you react badly to it. He's creepy as Hell.

I think the recent surge in criticism of him in the media and on social media isn't from Republicans though (who would probably love "Creepy Uncle Joe" to run) but from Bernie Sanders supporters who see him as the chief rival to Sanders getting the nomination.

 

[jsmoke]

Sounds like he wasn't very popular/skilled with the girls at school/college.

 

[G-MAN2004]

This guy is creepy as hell. Put a young child next to him and see what he does. It's not right.

 

[VincentHanna]

Joe Biden is not the Hill anyone should wish to die on.

You are right, he isn't and I'm not going to bat for him.

Would the OP be happy if a man came over and put their hands on your shoulders and sniffed your hair? Biden does seem creepy

This guy is creepy as hell. Put a young child next to him and see what he does. It's not right.

Trump is the president of the United States and was on tape saying he "just grabs" women's pussy's and went in to the changing room of Miss World. Even worse stuff.

 

[Marky]

Joe Biden comes across as a complete creep - I'm not even a little bit surprised these things are cropping up...

 

[Minusorange]

He's an odd man

 

[stockhausen]

As I said, I don't really have a view on Joe Biden - I don't live in the Good Ol' USofA.

To repeat:

Men should learn some manners and women should learn to give perverts a damned good slap . . . or knee in the groin - lawyers should not get involved.​

 

[Yas786]

Well at least he isn’t grabbing women by their private parts nor did he have affairs with a porn and playboy star whilst his wife was giving birth to his son...remind you of anyone??

On a more serious note, it’s not the behaviour someone in his position should be partaking in. He does come across as a bit of creepy old grandfather though lol

 

[BowdonUK]

The thing I don't like about this situation is how some women on the left don't condemn him.

He's obviously said all the right things they want to hear and they have made friends with him. Then despite his obvious overstepping the boundaries they still give him a pass. That is the true issue with the #metoo movement. They promote bad behaviour and condemn other men who would call the likes of Biden out on it.

Biden has some serious issues and how he managed to become VP under Obama needs to be seriously looked at in my opinion.

Why should he be touching anyones shoulders or smelling their hair!? The guy is a weirdo.

 

[VincentHanna]

Biden has some serious issues and how he managed to become VP under Obama needs to be seriously looked at in my opinion.

Again, i'm not defending Biden at all but we literally live with a President who has admitted to grabbing women by the pussy...You think Biden needs investigating because he was VP, but not Trump?

 

[IronWarrior]

He ain't called "Creepy Uncle Joe" for nothing.

Paul did a video on him back in 2017, but he's been doing this dodgy stuff for years.

 

[Orionaut]

He's an odd man

Made me think of this...

http://viz.co.uk/category/up-the-arse-corner/

 

[Orionaut]

He ain't called "Creepy Uncle Joe" for nothing.

Paul did a video on him back in 2017, but he's been doing this dodgy stuff for years.

Oh, And that too!

 

[mmj_uk]

I remember watching this video ages ago.

If he does run in 2020 I'd love to see how the lefty pro-Democrat media will brush over this given #metoo and how they've attacked Trump for consenting relationships with adults.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I remember watching this video ages ago.

If he does run in 2020 I'd love to see how the lefty pro-Democrat media will brush over this given #metoo and how they've attacked Trump for consenting relationships with adults.

The political faction with the most to gain from popularising this right now is Bernie Sanders supporters. Republicans are mostly just sitting on the sidelines laughing. If Sanders secures the nomination this will just vanish all over. If Biden does, then Republicans will take it up from there and keep it running on social media but mainstream media will generally drop it. The mainstream media isn't very good at telling people what to think, but it's very effective at telling people what to think about. They'll just stop talking about this.

 

[BowdonUK]

Again, i'm not defending Biden at all but we literally live with a President who has admitted to grabbing women by the pussy...You think Biden needs investigating because he was VP, but not Trump?

To be fair though its been said that the Trump thing is locker room talk i.e. a man boasting of exploits he hasn't had just to fit in. There as never been any evidence he actually did it. I'm sure if he did then the likes of Gloria Allred would have been all over it.

For someone who says they aren't defending Biden you are putting forward Trump as an excuse of why Biden shouldn't be punished? At least thats how it comes across.

We have Biden in public on multiple occasions is violating womens spaces, yet where is Allred or the other feminists speaking out about this one!?

It seems to be selective outrage.

If a tape of Trump came out of him actually doing what he's being accused of, then I'm sure everyone would be condemning him.

 

[VincentHanna]

For someone who says they aren't defending Biden you are putting forward Trump as an excuse of why Biden shouldn't be punished? At least thats how it comes across.

I literally said

You are right, he isn't and I'm not going to bat for him.

Would the OP be happy if a man came over and put their hands on your shoulders and sniffed your hair? Biden does seem creepy

 

[Sankari]

Biden is an obvious liability, DNC needs to drop him like a hot coal.

To be fair though its been said that the Trump thing is locker room talk i.e. a man boasting of exploits he hasn't had just to fit in. There as never been any evidence he actually did it. I'm sure if he did then the likes of Gloria Allred would have been all over it.

At least 12 women have openly accused Trump of sexually manhandling them. You can't wave that away with 'Well, there's no video.'

 

[Yas786]

To be fair though its been said that the Trump thing is locker room talk i.e. a man boasting of exploits he hasn't had just to fit in. There as never been any evidence he actually did it. I'm sure if he did then the likes of Gloria Allred would have been all over it.

For someone who says they aren't defending Biden you are putting forward Trump as an excuse of why Biden shouldn't be punished? At least thats how it comes across.

We have Biden in public on multiple occasions is violating womens spaces, yet where is Allred or the other feminists speaking out about this one!?

It seems to be selective outrage.

If a tape of Trump came out of him actually doing what he's being accused of, then I'm sure everyone would be condemning him.

Wow just wow, your level of mental gymnastics is simply gold medal worthy.

Again you seem to be ok with Trump saying those things because it’s locker talk so it’s ok for him to say such things but no condemnation from you?? Is it ok that Trump walked in the miss universe pageant dressing room??

How about his porn star affair whilst his wife was having his kid?? Or is that ok by your standards?? Not only that he paid her off ie hush payments then promptly flat out lied when it was proven beyond reasonable doubt. Is that again ok by your standards??

No one here including me are saying what Biden has done is right. It’s creepy as hell and he’s apologised for his past behaviour.

The fact that a poster has said he should be investigated for how he became Obama’s VP is absolutely bloody hilarious.

The only investigation that should be happening is how the **** did Trump become President with his long low of indiscretions towards women .