Australia re-elects the Liberals

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Either way, having never had a far left government(ever? in recent times) there is no evidence the left is just as bad. Where we can clearly see how bad a right wing government is, our current one.

No true socialism fallacy in full effect...?


We should be glad we have never suffered the horrors of a 'far' left (or right) goverment in this country in living memory.

There is however a wealth of evidence from abroad for the efficacy of such goverments.

I don't think the current state of the UK economy, politics or its populace in general is indicative of a situation anywhere like as bad as you would suggest....recent more leftwing Europe goverment (like France under Hollande) have hardly been a comparative roaring success.
 
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You are right that we don't have a real far right party, now that the BNP isn't a thing.

Which isn't to say the far right don't exist here in small numbers.

They might not have a party, but they're rather annoyingly vocal and have a pretty strong presence, a bit like that one poo which refuses to flush and stinks out the whole house :(
 
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https://amp.news.com.au/national/fe...e/news-story/9953bd0c26222ee80c53e79bbcb69119

Silver linings.

Not that I care about Aussie politics, why should anyone else here do so, it’s literally on the other side of the planet.

But I do care about polling statistics, guess what it became inconclusive near the voting day. So that little ****** point about it being unpredictable in general and therefore proof that we shouldn’t trust them, is irrelevant.

The media can spin things all they like, they certainly don’t help educate people on polling, but hats no reason to ignore them. Just kinda tired of this pitiful excuse for poor statistical knowledge.
 
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Either way, having never had a far left government(ever? in recent times) there is no evidence the left is just as bad. Where we can clearly see how bad a right wing government is, our current one.
It's nothing to do with the political leanings of the government, it's just the fact that they are incompetent, just as Labour probably would be with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott running the show.

I don't think any political party is competent enough at present.
 
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With left wing I think the underlying principle at the core of the decision making is: “everyone should be free to do as they wish”.

I don't think that's even close to accurate! The authoritarian left are more like "Everybody should be free to do as we prescribe. Wrong-think must be corrected or silenced."
 
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I don't think that's even close to accurate! The authoritarian left are more like "Everybody should be free to do as we prescribe. Wrong-think must be corrected or silenced."

Sure, but then the Authoritarian Right don’t really prescribe to “everyone is responsible for themselves” either — the clue is in the ‘authoritarian’ bit.

It’s perfectly possible to be liberal (in the traditional sense) and left wing. The difficulty for the left is that the further left you go in terms of state-owned assets and wealth distribution, the more authoritarian you invariably have to become.

Likewise on the right, the further you go down the ‘everyone is responsible for themselves’ route, the closer you get to anarchism but it’s perfectly possible to be right wing and authoritarian.

That’s why the political compass is a better method than the simple left/right wing scale — although I think the political compass website itself has some serious flaws, the concept is sound.
 
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I don't think that's even close to accurate! The authoritarian left are more like "Everybody should be free to do as we prescribe. Wrong-think must be corrected or silenced."
It's my statement taken to its extreme. Everyone must be equal so do exactly as we say to make it that way.

Really I think its more like a circle. The middle on one side, far left and far right together on the other.

I consider myself to be more left wing than right (pretty central though) and "people should be free to do as they wish" is pretty much my core principle.
 
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It's my statement taken to its extreme. Everyone must be equal so do exactly as we say to make it that way.

Really I think its more like a circle. The middle on one side, far left and far right together on the other.

I consider myself to be more left wing than right (pretty central though) and "people should be free to do as they wish" is pretty much my core principle.
But ... but ... but I need a convenient box to place you in so that my argument makes sense! :mad:
 
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But ... but ... but I need a convenient box to place you in so that my argument makes sense! :mad:
You don't generally have or make any arguments.

You just take the **** in every, single, post.

It's why many people ignore you. Impossible to argue against someone who, in the absence of anything useful to say, just trolls in every thread.

Whilst always alluding to the intellectual inferiority of anyone you disagree with.

You're a bore, Mags. Utterly boring.
 
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You don't generally have or make any arguments.

You just take the **** in every, single, post.

It's why many people ignore you. Impossible to argue against someone who, in the absence of anything useful to say, just trolls in every thread.

Whilst always alluding to the intellectual inferiority of anyone you disagree with.

You're a bore, Mags. Utterly boring.
I don't think that's fair or thought through and you're making a mass generalisation of my posts which is exactly the point I was making about putting people in boxes. I don't care if I'm ignored, that's fine, but I am not trolling just because what I say isn't in your "things I enjoy" manual.

To your point on intellectual inferiority ... I don't know where to start on that. I'm not that smart and I type what I think. I'm not judging you unless you're looking for judgement that isn't there.

Did you have any thoughts on the Australian elections or was this just another chance for a cheap and dirty dig?
 
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I don't think that's fair or thought through and you're making a mass generalisation of my posts which is exactly the point I was making about putting people in boxes. I don't care if I'm ignored, that's fine, but I am not trolling just because what I say isn't in your "things I enjoy" manual.

To your point on intellectual inferiority ... I don't know where to start on that. I'm not that smart and I type what I think. I'm not judging you unless you're looking for judgement that isn't there.

Did you have any thoughts on the Australian elections or was this just another chance for a cheap and dirty dig?
I can't believe you're not self-aware enough to realise what a massive hypocrite you are.

You literally come into every thread, spout some stupid one-liner which is always an insult to a poster you don't like; you literally contribute nothing. At all.

I'm not playing your stupid games. Perhaps it would be best to put you on ignore, tbh. You're just insufferable.
 
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I can't believe you're not self-aware enough to realise what a massive hypocrite you are.

You literally come into every thread, spout some stupid one-liner which is always an insult to a poster you don't like; you literally contribute nothing. At all.

I'm not playing your stupid games. Perhaps it would be best to put you on ignore, tbh. You're just insufferable.
If anything I say causes this reaction then yes, put me on ignore.

Rock and roll, deal with it.
 
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The Australian Labour Party was well ahead in the polls, as we know. During their campaign they announced:
  • Free sex change procedures
  • A tax payer-funded National Gender Centre
  • A new post of Commissioner for Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity and Intersex Status Issues.
Their manifesto mentions:
  • The word “gender” is mentioned 148 times
  • The word "intersex" 55 times (nothing to do with trans by the way, but often used by the Trans Lobby to support their doctrine).
  • The word "transgender" a total of 35 times.
(For contrast, "immigration" comes up 24 times in total, "homelessness" 45).

In Tasmania and South Australia, the Greens and the Labour Party have pushed for (and I think got) a bill to make recording of sex on birth certificates optional and allow children to choose a different sex against their parents wishes.
 
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