looking for a future proof ryzen board

sunshinewelly · 29 Apr 2019 at 09:16

Can anyone suggest a MB around £120. ordered a ryzen 2700 with the hope then to get ryzen 3000 at some point next year

EsaT · 29 Apr 2019 at 12:02

MSI has decent CPU VRM in these:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html

X470 boards go little over.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-56z-gi.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33p-ms.html

All more affordable Asus boards have garbage level VRM.

LePhuronn · 29 Apr 2019 at 12:18

Just wait until everything new comes out, X570 is going to be a completely different kettle of fish.

sunshinewelly · 29 Apr 2019 at 12:41

what will x570 offer that the current AM4 boards dont offer.

LePhuronn · 29 Apr 2019 at 13:36

PCIe 4 and 40 PCIe lanes for a start. VRMs are likely to be better all round because vendors will have confidence in Ryzen now so no need to skimp, plus even with the 7nm process for Zen 2 slashing power, we could have 16 core CPUs on AM4 so power delivery will need to handle it.

EsaT · 29 Apr 2019 at 13:36

sunshinewelly said:
what will x570 offer that the current AM4 boards dont offer.

Possibly all PCIe v4.0 speed lanes, which isn't really usefull for normal home users.
And at least some current motherboards should be capable to PCIe v4.0 speed in slots connected to CPU.

Likely no more garbage CPU VRMs, like in Asus X470 TUF.
Though can't exclude Asus still putting crap VRM into some marketing BS model.
And there might not be much of affordable models.

We don't know yet further if Zen2 is going to have some feature which won't be available in current AM4 motherboards.
AMD improved boosting of clocks speeds with Precision Boost 2 and XFR2 with Zen+ and X470/B450 mobo.
Though not sure if there's any need to improve in those.

sunshinewelly · 29 Apr 2019 at 14:56

is the msi B450 carbon pro ok - its very cheap on the rainforest at the moment

LePhuronn · 29 Apr 2019 at 15:14

We honestly don't know, that's the point.

All we can say is "probably", but who knows what features you're going to be sacrificing.

orbitalwalsh · 29 Apr 2019 at 15:51

B450 Strix E if you can find it
X470 MSI Carbon
X470 Aorus 7 at £200+

or just wait for X570 and £120 gets you a board prob equal or near Aorus 7 and miles better then the rest - Prob Gaming X X570 will have £130-40 tag

sunshinewelly · 29 Apr 2019 at 15:59

they have a B450 Strix at the rainforest (F edition) note sure the difference between E&F

EsaT · 29 Apr 2019 at 20:58

sunshinewelly said:
they have a B450 Strix at the rainforest (F edition) note sure the difference between E&F

B450-F is total garbage.
X264 encoding with stock 2700X rises its VRM to overheating limit.
Because VRM itself is weak hot running crap and then marketroids even sabotaged its cooling with that retarded IO cover.
B450-E has same retarded IO cover, but VRM itself is beefier and capable to higher output.

Troezar · 30 Apr 2019 at 07:02

Unless funds are extremely tight, this close to release of a significant improvement in performance could be a mistake. If you really must have something now then the MSI Pro Carbon does look decent for the money.

Drumroll · 13 May 2019 at 17:55

I would wait for the new x570, as many features will be only available for them, otherwise a good-priced 450 would do, but will be tempted to wait.

Drumroll · 19 May 2019 at 14:29

I would wait.

Orange Nexus · 19 May 2019 at 22:39

Michael Marini said:
I would wait.

it's an old thread. No word from op. But, yes, wait if you have not bought one.

https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1130123724043235329

adrichardson81 · 22 May 2019 at 12:36

Wait for the x570. If you won’t be missing any features, you’ll be able to pick up the last gen at fire sale prices

Drumroll · 27 May 2019 at 10:41

EsaT said:
MSI has decent CPU VRM in these:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33s-ms.html

X470 boards go little over.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-56z-gi.html
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33p-ms.html

All more affordable Asus boards have garbage level VRM.

About Asus, I may upset few people, but I must be honest and agree with you.
Unless you pay more than you would pay for other manufacturers, Asus isn't value for money.
I, personally, don't really like the looks of most MSI boards, but the Gigabyte looks nice IMO.
Resources-wise, both MSI and Gigabyte would offer pretty good boards, costing less than similar-spec Asus.
Asrock have some good boards too.
But if you like the looks of the Asus boards, still, don't go to the entry-mid levels.
As other mentioned, the new AM4 boards are nearly there, so even if you don't go for one for now, that would allow the actual X470-based board's prices to drop, before stocks disappear.

orbitalwalsh · 27 May 2019 at 10:50

^^ new x570 are a different kettle of fish , so are the b550's . some vendors have caught up, some are carrying on the pace they set out

EsaT · 27 May 2019 at 12:31

Michael Marini said:
I, personally, don't really like the looks of most MSI boards, but the Gigabyte looks nice IMO.

Gigabyte B450 boards also have mostly crap VRM.
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html

orbitalwalsh said:
^^ new x570 are a different kettle of fish

Let's hope that fish didn't jump from the frying pan into the fire...

Vish Petrol · 27 May 2019 at 12:38

I would go with the x570 taichi, i have the x370 taichi and it was excellent straight out of the box. Would avoid Asus though.