27GL850G-B / 38GL950G-B When and how much?

MikeLoader · 11 Jun 2019 at 19:25

Cornholiooo said:
Just found a swedish shop listing the 27gl850 for 6490kr or 600€ incl VAT
https://www.inet.se/produkt/2215350/lg-27-27gl850-qhd-nano-ips-160hz

I guess thats alright, and one should definetly say WOW

Dont seems like overkill at all IMO, and maybe I should RMA mine 32GK850G and get this one!
To bad it's not g-sync, but then it probably would cost 2k more :/

muSashisf · 11 Jun 2019 at 21:06

Cornholiooo said:
Just found a swedish shop listing the 27gl850 for 6490kr or 600€ incl VAT
https://www.inet.se/produkt/2215350/lg-27-27gl850-qhd-nano-ips-160hz

They are also listing the 38GL950G for 2650$ / 2350€. I would take their prices as placeholders, atleast for the 38" version. There is no way a monitor that is only HDR400 and lack FALD will go for that much.

Source:
https://www.inet.se/produkt/2215353/lg-38-38gl950g-qhd-curved-nano-ips-175hz

VitaminD3 · 11 Jun 2019 at 21:10

After reading through various forums, I'm surprised how many people are now no longer going to buy the 27GL850 since the G-SYNC was removed, I thought I was in the minority with that opinion.
Unless whatever way they are achieving the 1ms response times doesn't need Variable Overdrive, or has no issues with overshoot, then I don't mind paying more for what G-SYNC offers.

Cornholiooo · 11 Jun 2019 at 21:53

muSashisf said:
They are also listing the 38GL950G for 2650$ / 2350€. I would take their prices as placeholders, atleast for the 38" version. There is no way a monitor that is only HDR400 and lack FALD will go for that much.

Source:
https://www.inet.se/produkt/2215353/lg-38-38gl950g-qhd-curved-nano-ips-175hz

That certainly could be a possibility, but placeholder prices are usually higher than the actual ones, thats what makes me think that the price for the 27gl850 could be accurate.

VitaminD3 said:
After reading through various forums, I'm surprised how many people are now no longer going to buy the 27GL850 since the G-SYNC was removed, I thought I was in the minority with that opinion.
Unless whatever way they are achieving the 1ms response times doesn't need Variable Overdrive, or has no issues with overshoot, then I don't mind paying more for what G-SYNC offers.

I also would ve preferred G-sync , since i am still using a gtx 980ti and am a little worried about the strong overdrive they might've needed to apply to achieve that 1ms gtg and the overshoot it might create at lower framerates. Maybe they managed to incorporate variable OD in a freesync monitor? But thats wishful thinking probably.

VitaminD3 · 12 Jun 2019 at 09:38

I'll probably just end up getting one and trying it for 30 days then return it if the lack of VO is an issue.

MikeLoader · 12 Jun 2019 at 10:38

VitaminD3 said:
I'll probably just end up getting one and trying it for 30 days then return it if the lack of VO is an issue.

So true, one can allways try it out, atleast

VitaminD3 · 12 Jun 2019 at 10:54

I'm hoping we at least find out whether there's plans for a G-SYNC version soon, I haven't been playing games for the last 6 months while waiting for a new monitor, I don't want to hold off on a new monitor on just the off chance there might be a G-SYNC SKU.

gronf · 12 Jun 2019 at 13:18

Whilst I'd prefer a proper G-Sync version, I've never experienced G-Sync and I'll be upgrading from an old 22" 1200p 60Hz TN, so I'm sure I'll be very pleased with this monitor as long as it doesn't have bad bleed and overshoot.

Shaz12 · 12 Jun 2019 at 15:27

Is there a plan for a G-Sync version? I don’t mind paying more for quality. Won’t get it if it’s G-Sync compatible.

VitaminD3 · 12 Jun 2019 at 15:44

I wonder if Daniel is going to find out for us. I also think there's a possibility they're planning a G-SYNC version that will also have the Sphere Lighting on it since they modified the housing yet still kept the ring on the back just without the lights. They do have the 27GL650F and they could have gone with that design as well, but maybe to streamline the product for another SKU they kept the design of the back the same.

ussjtrunks · 12 Jun 2019 at 17:23

The stand looks huge anyone know how deep it is?

WhiteSkyMage · 13 Jun 2019 at 09:22

Why LG? WHY? https://hexus.net/tech/news/monitor...oaUyKy1u2oeeD76jX_q7jSRYb39nz6Nv4CNl61Apc0IKg
You think this costs $2000? All LG did here was:
- Added G-Sync module
- Added DisplayPort 1.4
- OCed the monitor and tweaked the brightness only just a little bit to get to 450nits (enough to get HDR400 certified)
- called it a day.
I expected AT LEAST HDR1000. This isn't worth even $1500. What were you thinking LG? Pretty much every outlet out there has said "HDR400" isn't really "HDR". It's actually a JOKE of an HDR.
Make that monitor FreeSync 2 with HDR1000 and you got my cash. I'm writing off that 38GL950G as "overpriced" for what it offers.

What I am actually looking for is -
A 38" monitor with resolution of 5120x2160 @ 100Hz, FreeSync 2 (Only just G-Sync compatible), HDR1000, IPS panel, local dimming.

Cornholiooo · 13 Jun 2019 at 09:45

WhiteSkyMage said:
Why LG? WHY? https://hexus.net/tech/news/monitor...oaUyKy1u2oeeD76jX_q7jSRYb39nz6Nv4CNl61Apc0IKg
You think this costs $2000? All LG did here was:
- Added G-Sync module
- Added DisplayPort 1.4
- OCed the monitor and tweaked the brightness only just a little bit to get to 450nits (enough to get HDR400 certified)
- called it a day.
I expected AT LEAST HDR1000. This isn't worth even $1500. What were you thinking LG? Pretty much every outlet out there has said "HDR400" isn't really "HDR". It's actually a JOKE of an HDR.
Make that monitor FreeSync 2 with HDR1000 and you got my cash. I'm writing off that 38GL950G as "overpriced" for what it offers.

What I am actually looking for is -
A 38" monitor with resolution of 5120x2160 @ 100Hz, FreeSync 2 (Only just G-Sync compatible), HDR1000, IPS panel, local dimming.

I have to agree 2000$ is too close to the upcoming FALD VA G-sync monitors, which will (according to AOC for the AG353UCG) cost around 1800-2200$. That said 499$ for the 27gl850 sounds pretty good.

Ezyryder · 13 Jun 2019 at 15:47

I am interested in the 27 inch one, as it may come under £450. Also interested to see how it compares to the Gigabyte.

tarsius · 13 Jun 2019 at 17:55

WhiteSkyMage said:
I expected AT LEAST HDR1000. This isn't worth even $1500. What were you thinking LG? Pretty much every outlet out there has said "HDR400" isn't really "HDR". It's actually a JOKE of an HDR.
Make that monitor FreeSync 2 with HDR1000 and you got my cash. I'm writing off that 38GL950G as "overpriced" for what it offers.

What I am actually looking for is -
A 38" monitor with resolution of 5120x2160 @ 100Hz, FreeSync 2 (Only just G-Sync compatible), HDR1000, IPS panel, local dimming.

DisplayHDR 1000 doesn't guarantee a meaningful HDR experience. It could be two dimming zones, for instance.

35"-37,5" 3840 x 1600 monitor with 960 mini-LED based dimming zones would be cool at the moment.

PCM2 · 13 Jun 2019 at 18:06

tarsius said:
DisplayHDR 1000 doesn't guarantee a meaningful HDR experience. It could be two dimming zones, for instance.

In practice, that's extremely unlikely. The VESA DisplayHDR 1000 level has something called the Corner Box Test. This mandates a central black level of 0.05 cd/m2 whilst the monitor is simultaneously displaying white boxes at the corners of the screen that are at least 600 cd/m2. That wouldn't be possible without effective local dimming (certianly more than 2 dimming zones) or extremely strong native contrast.

It's absolutely right that you could have a very good VESA DisplayHDR 600 implementation and a relatively poor VESA DisplayHDR 1000 implementation. The Philips 436M6VBPAB mentioned earlier on this thread is actually awful in its VESA DisplayHDR 1000 mode, because it completely destroys black levels in practice. It's much more competent in its VESA DisplayHDR 600 level 'Normal' mode, even though it is technically VESA DisplayHDR 1000 compliant.

WhiteSkyMage · 13 Jun 2019 at 18:24

Cornholiooo said:
I have to agree 2000$ is too close to the upcoming FALD VA G-sync monitors, which will (according to AOC for the AG353UCG) cost around 1800-2200$. That said 499$ for the 27gl850 sounds pretty good.

That I would agree with. The 27-inch does sound pretty good for its price... Although Id be more willing to pay $400 for it instead.

PCM2 said:
In practice, that's extremely unlikely. The VESA DisplayHDR 1000 level has something called the Corner Box Test. This mandates a central black level of 0.05 cd/m2 whilst the monitor is simultaneously displaying white boxes at the corners of the screen that are at least 600 cd/m2. That wouldn't be possible without effective local dimming (certianly more than 2 dimming zones) or extremely strong native contrast.

It's absolutely right that you could have a very good VESA DisplayHDR 600 implementation and a relatively poor VESA DisplayHDR 1000 implementation. The Philips 436M6VBPAB mentioned earlier on this thread is actually awful in its VESA DisplayHDR 1000 mode, because it completely destroys black levels in practice. It's much more competent in its VESA DisplayHDR 600 level 'Normal' mode, even though it is technically VESA DisplayHDR 1000 compliant.

I wonder if LG had issue implementing the HDR600 because of G-Sync module or were they just lazy? I am pretty sure that if they were to make this monitor with just FreeSync, they would have done a much better job on that HDR. Afterall, the new G-Sync FPGA costs around $500 alone? The price of the monitor was getting pretty steep so implementing a better HDR support perhaps wasn't an option. The monitor would have sold for $1500 without G-Sync.

tarsius · 13 Jun 2019 at 19:05

PCM2 said:
The VESA DisplayHDR 1000 level has something called the Corner Box Test. This mandates a central black level of 0.05 cd/m2 whilst the monitor is simultaneously displaying white boxes at the corners of the screen that are at least 600 cd/m2.

Never heard of it. Can a monitor with 3 zones pass such a test?

PCM2 · 13 Jun 2019 at 19:23

tarsius said:
Never heard of it. Can a monitor with 3 zones pass such a test?

Very unlikely, because then the non-central dimming zones would need to be very bright (for the bright corners) and it would flood the central zone that's supposed to be black. I'm not sure what the minimum number of zones you could technically get away with and "pass" VESA DisplayHDR 1000 certification would be. But it's likely something like 32 zones even for a VA model with strong native contrast. Perhaps fewer if the panel has exceptional native contrast (5000:1+).

tarsius · 13 Jun 2019 at 20:06

PCM2 said:
Very unlikely, because then the non-central dimming zones would need to be very bright (for the bright corners) and it would flood the central zone that's supposed to be black. I'm not sure what the minimum number of zones you could technically get away with and "pass" VESA DisplayHDR 1000 certification would be. But it's likely something like 32 zones even for a VA model with strong native contrast. Perhaps fewer if the panel has exceptional native contrast (5000:1+).

You can make each of the 3 zones with multiple mini-LEDs. It won't make much sense, but will not significantly flood neighboring zones.

The upcoming ASUS PG27UQX has 576 zones with 4 mini-LEDs each (which makes much more sense in comparison).