Campaigners have called for the government to scrap the two-child limit on benefits

2013 · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:43

Campaigners have called for the government to scrap the two-child limit on benefits.

Full story here https://www.theguardian.com/society...ed-to-scrap-nasty-two-child-limit-on-benefits

Do you agree or disagree

jsmoke · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:48

Depends on why people aren't working possibly. As usual it's about money and resources. We'd end up in famine conditions if everyone expected handouts. So what's the solution, is there enough money in the kitty to pay for this, will it culture a large section of work shy people who expect everything to be handed to them?

Roar87 · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:48

If you want more than 2 children then I shouldn't have to pay for your life choices

200sols · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:49

Disagree. If you want to breed like crazy and have more kids then get a better job to support them.

Rannoch · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:53

No surprise The Guardian would run that story. I hope they fold, begging for donations, sorry, rant over

And I disagree. Madness.

paradigm · 31 Jul 2019 at 19:54

Looks like exemptions are granted when the circumstances are such that it would be unfair (unexpected multiple-birth, victim of rape, et al). Can’t see why those who chose to plan for a 3rd+ child couldn’t have worked out beforehand that they couldn’t afford said third child.

Werewolf · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:09

paradigm said:
Looks like exemptions are granted when the circumstances are such that it would be unfair (unexpected multiple-birth, victim of rape, et al). Can’t see why those who chose to plan for a 3rd+ child couldn’t have worked out beforehand that they couldn’t afford said third child.

Well apart from the whole things change in your life unexpectedly...

dessimpson · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:11

Can't see why I should have to pay for the first two children? Never mind more than that.

BDEE · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:12

Kids cost money. If you can't afford them then don't have them.

There should be nothing which encourages rampant reproduction. World population is high enough. If the policy makes people not have loads of children then it's a good thing.

Dirk Diggler · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:14

Agree

It's time we started caring again. What a horrible, selfish culture we have right now.

NoobCannon · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:14

I dont see why i shoud have to pay for anyone else, unless disabled or old. The culture of council estate mums “have a few kids and dont go to work (by various dads)” needs to end

Rannoch · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:15

NoobCannon said:
I dont see why i shoud have to pay for anyone else, unless disabled or old. The culture of council estate mums “have a few kids and dont go to work (by various dads)” needs to end

How true. Plenty of pyjama mums round my old neck of the woods.

Em3bbs · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:17

paradigm · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:23

Werewolf said:
Well apart from the whole things change in your life unexpectedly...

And whilst you can’t predict the future, you can plan for it. I want a second child, but don’t feel like I can guarantee the standard of living I want to provide if I were to lose my job (I could survive for a decnt while with just the one), so until I’ve sorted that out, I won’t have a second.

It’s called forethought.

Abraxaz1 · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:24

Why should I pay for the first two? In all likelihood said children wont have a positive impact on society I.e. gross tax payer but instead they will be just like their parents.

Bit then again I have the same opinion of ivf on the NHS, if you can save up £10k for the private option then in likelihood you cant actually afford to raise a child correctly.

But what do I know

paradigm · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:24

String said:
Agree

It's time we started caring again. What a horrible, selfish culture we have right now.

Aren’t the ones being selfish those having children without being able to afford them in the first place?

NoobCannon · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:32

Abraxaz1 said:
Why should I pay for the first two? In all likelihood said children wont have a positive impact on society I.e. gross tax payer but instead they will be just like their parents.

Bit then again I have the same opinion of ivf on the NHS, if you can save up £10k for the private option then in likelihood you cant actually afford to raise a child correctly.

But what do I know

I dont agree with that. Not in an “your an idiot for your views” way but just i disagree, not many people have 10k to spare, if you work hard, have made the decision to try and have a child but cant because of medical reasons then imo nhs treatment is there to help

Trifid · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:36

I agree with the 2 child limit for environmental reasons.

Deleted member 651465 · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:43

My wife’s sister boils my blood...

5 kids (3 dads), 40 years old and never worked a day in her life. Complains all the time about money but she’s constantly got a cigarette on the go.

Nearly all the children are “autistic” or “disabled” (admittedly one is) but I feel like she’s pushed to get diagnosis for the rest because she wants more money from the state.

I can’t stand the handout mentality, but then I’ve always worked and couldn’t accept financial aid for sitting on my arse all day. Call me stupid but it is wrong and shameful.

Why should the honest man pay for a family to pump out 3,4,5 or 6 kids just because they get more money per x kid? Silly.

Dirk Diggler · 31 Jul 2019 at 20:44

paradigm said:
Aren’t the ones being selfish those having children without being able to afford them in the first place?

Life isn't that simple.

Of all the things my tax payment contributes to that I'd rather it didn't, £13.70 / week to feed a child isn't high on my regret list.

Campaigners have called for the government to scrap the two-child limit on benefits

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