Artificial disk (spine) who has had them?

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In September my wife is going to have her a couple of her disks replaced with artificial replacements, rather than having fusion. This involves cutting the back of the neck and the front for access. She is also having some bone spurs removed. Both the disks and the bone spurs are pressing on her spinal cord causing nerve issues like pain levels enough to hospitalize her (And she has an extremely high pain threshold) and many other 'fun' symptoms.

Obviously she has been through all the CAT scans, MRI's X-rays and will be getting the operation with one of the best places in my area. I'm actually surprised that my insurance said they would cover it, and not just fusions, but she is an active fit woman encumbered by this.

I'm curious who has had this done and what your results were? (And no.. I'm not looking for medical advise whatsoever, she already has made the decision to have it done).
 
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I had this carried out on the disc between C5/C6 in 2016 and posted about it in Little Italy. our special forum section on here. From that thread:-

For the past couple of years I have been suffering from a Prolapse disc in my neck and I am finally going to be fixed. It took them ages to figure out what was wrong with me because they wouldn't listen to what I was telling them. I have a similar problem in my lower back (dehydrated disc between L4/L5 and L4/L5 have degenerated) which gives me sciatica down my left leg and is similar to the symptoms in my arm. I suspect that this disc in my neck has been there for many years as I have always had problems with my neck since I was around 30 years old.

A couple of years ago thing got worse, a lot worse. Every time I turn my head I can hear the bones grinding and if I have had my head in the same position for a while, when I turn it it goes off with a loud crack. I also get pin's and needles along with numbness in my left hand and lower arm and a burning sensation in my upper arm. I drop things a lot and it's also affected my grip.

They started off by sending me to physio which just made things much worse. Then my gp referred me for a MRI scan. The hoops you have to jump through up here to get one is ridiculous. The gp can't actually refer you anymore and his referal get's sent to the physiotherapy department at our local hospital (Dr Grays in Elgin). That was a 20 week wait just to get in there!! They then assess you (points based) to see if you qualify for a MRI scan. Luckily I did and after another 12 week wait had to go down to Aberdeen (130 mile round trip) to have that done.

Two weeks later had to go back down again to see the consultant to get the results. He then wanted further tests carried out to see if I had Carpal Tunnel Syndrome as well so that was another 12 week wait and yet another trip down to Aberdeen. Had that done (was negative so loads of time wasted) and had another 10 week wait to see my consultant down in Aberdeen again. He then offered me the operation which I accepted because at this point I had little to lose. He informed me that there was a 12 week legal guarantee of treatment for my operation and said he was looking at mid August.

Mid August came and I hadn't heard anything from them and in the meantime things have gotten even worse. Most afternoons are spent lying on the bed because It just get's on top of me. I am used to debilitating pain from my back but this takes things to a whole new level. Two weeks ago I telephoned them and reminded them that their 12 week window was going to run out in four days. Within a hour I had a admittance date so it would seem that I was lost in the system. Their 12 week legal target turned into 14 and a half weeks so that's another failure for NHS Grampian.

So tomorrow I make my way down to Aberdeen on public transport as I am not allowed to drive for a couple of weeks after the op. They make a slit in my throat, move my windpipe and carotid artery to one side to get to my spine, take the bad disc out and replace it with something that looks like a hockey puck and then screw a titanium plate to the vertebrae on either side of it and sew me back up. There's a good video on how it's done here (top one). It takes 20-30 mins apparently which is much less than I thought. I get admitted at 15.00 tomorrow and operated on Friday morning. All being well I shall be back out on Saturday. There are some possible bad things that can happen such as a stroke or paralysis from the neck down but it's 99.95% safe and the consultant has never heard of it happening. He just had to warn me that there could be consequences. Another couple of things that could happen are loss of feeling in the arm which I already have anyway and a hoarse voice that usually clears up after a few days but can become permanent in rare cases. I can live with that as long as the op works. So hopefully by the weekend I will have a much better quality of life than I do now. I am a bit nervous as I tend to be a pessimist and worry a lot but I am sure things will be ok.

The difference was felt as soon as I came to after the op. The pins and needles had gone and I could feel my fingers. I was sent home the day after the operation which was fun having to travel on public transport, not!! I was supposed to take it easy for six weeks but two weeks after the op I was under the car fitting new suspension. I had a follow up with the consultant 6 weeks after the operation and he declared it a total success. Like I told him and I know he had probably heard it many times but it was a life changer. I went from constant pins and needles and dropping/fumbling things because I had so little feeling in my hand to having full and normal control/feeling in it, no more blinding headaches plus my neck didn't go off like a shotgun when I turned it after being in the same position.

Sadly they won't do anything about my lower back as they say it's not serious enough to operate on. They are not the ones who have to live with it and take a combination of strong painkillers and anti-inflammatories!!
 
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Much the same experience for my wife. Pain, pins and needles, burning, fumbling, weakness, unexplained pain etc. She has Fibromyalgia as well.. so double the fun. Much like you she also has something going on with her lower back as well, we believe herniated disks.

She is going for same op, slice and move wind pipe etc.

You left the same day???
 
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Hell no, there's no way I would have managed that. I arrived the Thursday afternoon as I had to have a load of tests carried out (blood, blood pressure, ECG etc), had the operation Friday morning in which I had a complication (went tachycardic on them), woke up in the afternoon to be wheeled down to the X-ray department to make sure everything was ok (this was the worst bit as I was still woozy and felt terrible but managed to stand still for the X-ray), got discharged Saturday morning and had the wondrous experience of travelling home via public transport. The first bus was late which made me miss my train. A hour and a half later I got the next train and then had to wait around another half hour for my bus home. Once on our usual clapped out bus (07 plate that rattles and has no heating) for the 16 mile trip to our village some stupid bint got on at the next stop and while sliding into the seat behind me hit me around the head with a bloody great bag which jarred my neck. No apology or anything but that todays youth all over. To be honest I wish I took my car. I wasn't supposed to drive for two weeks but it would have been much less hassle and a hell of a lot more comfortable.
 
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That bit of my neck is fine thanks and I have had no side effects or anything like that from the disc replacement "puck" or the titanium plate they fitted. I didn't even have the hoarseness or sore throat they said I would get. I have to declare it for X-rays and MRI scans. I just wish they would do the same procedure on my lower back so I could have some resemblance of a normal life but with the two vertebrae either side of the disc badly degenerated they would need to fit a plate over a few of my vertebrae which would restrict my movement. To be honest I would rather have a little less movement than be in agony all the time. I am currently waiting for a date (14 weeks and counting so far) to go down to Aberdeen to have a procedure carried out to burn the nerve endings away to give me some relief. I would have to have this done repeatedly depending on how quick they grow back. Sounds scary but I get a local anaesthetic and it will be done as a out-patient.
 
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Who me? I had a accident in 1997 while serving in the RAF in Germany which then took them 6 months or so to actually listen to me instead of pumping me full of The RAF's favourite, Ibruprofen. Several visits to RAF(H) Wegberg to see consultants, X-rays and MRI scans and they tell me I have damaged my spine and that the syptoms will get worse as the years go by and that if I was not careful I could end up in a wheelchair. In the meantime carry on regardless as I was due another trip to the Falklands.

Came back to the UK in 1999 and was sent for more physiotherapy which did more harm than good plus by now I was struggling to carry out my duties (mechanical engineer) so in 2000 I was sent down to Headly Court for a 3 week rehabilitation course. This consisted of more agonising physio plus tips to make life easier (most didn't work) and after 2 weeks I ended up in a wheelchair as I could barely move and was in constant pain. They sent me for another MRI scan which showed even more damage had been done and was given a appointment by the Squadron Leader who was in charge of the rehabilitation program. During this interview he told basically me that my career was over and that he was going to recommend a medical discharge and that I was being sent back to my base (RAF Lossiemouth). I guessed as much as I had been held back from promotion since 1997 and would otherwise have been a corporal in the 1997 round of promotions. I had already set a record of getting back for my fitters course after only 2 years as a mech so my target of sergeant in 12-15 years was achieveable and this was a major blow to me.

Back at Lossie I continued doing my duties to the best of my abilities although I frequently got home after work in so much pain I sat on the floor with tears streaming down my face. Eventually I was put on light duties but they didn't know what to do with me because none of our work was "light". This is where I had a ace up my sleeve because when I was at RAF Lyneham I became the only person lower than the rank of corporal to qualify on the GEMS (Ground Equipment Maintenance System) computer system that we used to record every bit of equipment's history, maintenance and repairs on so I was put in our office which freed up a Corporal to work on the shop floor. They got hold of a special chair for me and I found that I enjoyed this side of the work and was very good at it.

Early 2001 I was sent down to RAF(H) Halton for my final assessment and was told that my time was up and I was to go on indefinate medical leave pending a medical discharge. I reported back to Lossie, handed in my papers and that was me on leave. Went home and the wife told me she was leaving me for someone else. It never rains and all that!! Turned out that things didn't work out for her in the end, what a shame!! Anyway, I digress. This indefinate leave went on for 18 months in which I was in limbo not knowing when things would be finalised and not able to take another job. Finally I got a date for my discharge which was October 2002. I also got a nice settlement for my accident plus deafness in one ear caused by RAF Laarbruch's medical staff's negligence. I had a nice lump sum and a very generous pension on top of my 13/21 (13 years of 21 years engagement) pension I will recieve from age 55. On top of that I had another letter informing me that I will be getting a War Pension as well which also meant that my RAF disability pension will now be tax free so that was a bonus. I already had a job lined up with a small engineering company (not the best move I could have made) so started that 1 week before my exit date. The company went bust in 2006 due to the bosses greed and dogy dealings and was made redundant. This was a bit of a blessing really as my back had become much worse to live with and I had been struggling with it for the last couple of years. I signed on at the dole office while looking for another job and found another a couple of months later. I stayed at this job for 18 months or so before quitting because the boss treated the staff like dirt and had had enough. I got another job within a week or so and quite enjoyed it but fate was to take a hand and another employer went bust so was without a job again.

By this time (late 2011) I was struggling badly due to my back pain and sciatica in my leg was a daily torture now. Also by now I had cleared the considerable amount of debt I was left with from my failed marriage and had built up a bit of savings. After a chat with my new partner, now my wife, we decided that I should give up work as my pair of pensions and her salary would give us a decent standard of living while sparing me from a hell of a lot of pain so that was that, my working life was mostly over. I have done a few temporary part time jobs over the years and will happily help any of my friends and neighbours with things, be it in the garden, on their cars or fix their pc's but no full time jobs. Before anybody reads this and jumps to their own conclusions because I know what some are like on here, I get no benefits, just my disability pension from the RAF and my War Pension.

I can work on my car or do some heavy gardening but it will get more and more painful the longer I do it plus there is a very good chance I will be laid up for the next day or so. I just can't help it though as I love taking stuff apart and fixing things. I am lucky to have found a very good and helpfull GP as she dug up all of my history and listened to what my problems were. She then worked with me to find effective painkillers. The problem comes when I have been on them for a while and they become less and less effective but instead of increasing the strength she starts over to find one that works for me without too many side effects. Currently I am on Tramadol, Pregabilin and Diclofenic along with Ramipril and Amlodipine for my blood pressure and she even got me a appointment with the hearing specialist at our local hospital which ended up with me getting a hearing aid which has improved my hearing massively. She finally got me a appointment with the pain clinic after trying for many months (over 18 months wait up here) which resulted in me getting a updated MRI scan three weeks ago so that they can see how bad things have got and where to burn the nerve endings away. I am not exactly looking forward to this but I am assured it sounds worse than it actually is and if it brings me som much needed relief it will be worthwhile.

Sorry to go on for so long but I felt I should give the whole picture and very sorry to Scougar for hijacking his thread. I hope your wife has a successful operation and that it results in a total lack of pain and symptoms as it did for me.
 
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That's quite something Pastymuncher, then to finally leave the RAF and go between all of that. :eek: I do hope the nerve ending treatment works well and gives you some much needed relief. :)

Good luck to your wife OP! Amazing what's possible now. My mother has a problem with her discs, but isn't severe enough to need anything other than painkillers from time to time.
 
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Another fellow ex RAF with War pension Pastymuncher. I had a similar time with getting mine sorted out. I also have back problems due to an injury working on Helicopters years ago although this was not why I was discharged just gives me some jip every now and again but the Dr does not feel it’s bad enough for surgery yet.....
 
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I had this carried out on the disc between C5/C6 in 2016 and posted about it in Little Italy. our special forum section on here. From that thread:-



The difference was felt as soon as I came to after the op. The pins and needles had gone and I could feel my fingers. I was sent home the day after the operation which was fun having to travel on public transport, not!! I was supposed to take it easy for six weeks but two weeks after the op I was under the car fitting new suspension. I had a follow up with the consultant 6 weeks after the operation and he declared it a total success. Like I told him and I know he had probably heard it many times but it was a life changer. I went from constant pins and needles and dropping/fumbling things because I had so little feeling in my hand to having full and normal control/feeling in it, no more blinding headaches plus my neck didn't go off like a shotgun when I turned it after being in the same position.

Sadly they won't do anything about my lower back as they say it's not serious enough to operate on. They are not the ones who have to live with it and take a combination of strong painkillers and anti-inflammatories!!

very interesting I'm having major pins and needles, numbness, pain etc in both arms and hands, face, scalp and down to the groin from pinched nerves in the cervical spine. trying pregabalin at the moment nut it's good to know an op is always an option and seems to work.
 
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Thank you for sharing your experience. You are absolutely not hijacking the thread. I asked for people's experience, and that's what I got, so thank you.

My wife was the type of woman that is never still, never lazy, always active. The hardest part a couple years ago was trying to accept that with Fibromyalgia (eventually diagnosed) and bone spurs/lapsed disks... That she would spend a lot of time in bed. This mentally kills her. She used to work on a horse farm doing heavy manual labor for 140 horses and barn/field work... Almost everyday. She is still just about able to do a part time job as a Tae Kwon Do instructor, but it takes most of the day to rest up before hand.

The pain is so bad that sometimes she doesn't want by to go on. Just wants it to stop. I can do nothing other that try to get her treatment and figure out what is going on.

We are hoping that this op will stop the nerve pain, tingling, burning, loss of grip strength, and severe migraines caused from the neck.

The time from actually getting the first MRI to the op is around 4 months, but she has known of neck issues for a long long time.

Drug wise, she uses muse relaxers at times (used to be every night, but it floored her), SSRI's, and other anti inflammatories. She also has now been given anti nausea pills and Percocets for emergency use. These all cause other side affects like high blood pressure etc. Not fun, as it has been dangerously high at times.
 
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I had this carried out on the disc between C5/C6 in 2016 and posted about it in Little Italy. our special forum section on here. From that thread:-



The difference was felt as soon as I came to after the op. The pins and needles had gone and I could feel my fingers. I was sent home the day after the operation which was fun having to travel on public transport, not!! I was supposed to take it easy for six weeks but two weeks after the op I was under the car fitting new suspension. I had a follow up with the consultant 6 weeks after the operation and he declared it a total success. Like I told him and I know he had probably heard it many times but it was a life changer. I went from constant pins and needles and dropping/fumbling things because I had so little feeling in my hand to having full and normal control/feeling in it, no more blinding headaches plus my neck didn't go off like a shotgun when I turned it after being in the same position.

Sadly they won't do anything about my lower back as they say it's not serious enough to operate on. They are not the ones who have to live with it and take a combination of strong painkillers and anti-inflammatories!!

It's easy to get an MRI if you are willing to pay for it. It's just NHS GP's won't refer people unless they are almost dead.

I saw a private physio and they immediately offered to refer me for an MRI and I paid £300 for it I think but it was all very fast, within 2 weeks. Money well spent! The NHS is just a scam.
 
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It's easy to get an MRI if you are willing to pay for it. It's just NHS GP's won't refer people unless they are almost dead.

I saw a private physio and they immediately offered to refer me for an MRI and I paid £300 for it I think but it was all very fast, within 2 weeks. Money well spent! The NHS is just a scam.

I'm considering a private MRI after suffering recurring lower back pain for years. You would think GP's would give you the option to get to the cause rather than the usual anti inflammatory advice.
 
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I have a few things wrong with my spine, lower back pain being the result. I jumped through NHS hoops for 2 1/2 years before giving up with them and paying £250 for a private lower back MRI. Funnily enough a few weeks after getting my MRI I got one through the NHS (Upper back). There was talk of surgery but nothing has come of it. To describe my pain would be like someone holding a knife on my lower back nerves and every now and again they stab it in. Cant do a lot of things like run or bend over, but I'm dealing with it. I lost weight which seems to have helped and I cycle regularly. Sleeping or standing still are both a complete nightmare.
I know of a few people who have had back surgery, the ones who had fusions feel okish; better than before, but not great. The one who had a plate put in felt no better at all, all of these surgeries were done on private health insurance.
 
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My wife was the type of woman that is never still, never lazy, always active. The hardest part a couple years ago was trying to accept that with Fibromyalgia (eventually diagnosed) and bone spurs/lapsed disks... That she would spend a lot of time in bed. This mentally kills her. She used to work on a horse farm doing heavy manual labor for 140 horses and barn/field work... Almost everyday. She is still just about able to do a part time job as a Tae Kwon Do instructor, but it takes most of the day to rest up before hand.

She sounds rather like me. I was always active and used to cycle 20 miles a day to keep fit but my back has put paid to that. I still clear the snow from our cul-de-sac and the neighbours paths in the Winter even though I know that it is going to hurt me. Most of my neighbours are elderly so if I don't do it nobody will and I would hate for one of them to slip and hurt themselves because I didn't clear their path. I found that lying down is worse for me, especially before my neck op. In fact I used to dread going to bed as I would keep waking up in agony and that's on a £1000 orthapedic mattress. Another thing is that if I am doing something and pushing myself to do it and then stop I seize up and have to fight through the pain to get going again. She may find that her Tae Kwon Do is actually helping her. I find that if I don't use my back or neck pre-op the pain would be much worse when I did need to use them.


The pain is so bad that sometimes she doesn't want by to go on. Just wants it to stop. I can do nothing other that try to get her treatment and figure out what is going on. We are hoping that this op will stop the nerve pain, tingling, burning, loss of grip strength, and severe migraines caused from the neck.

I know exactly how she feels. Many a time I have fallen into the depths of despair due to the never ending cycle of agony, I still do sometimes. Knowing that everything I do is going to cause me a higher level of pain really get's me down at times and I often used to have the thought of what is the point of going on? I am probably going to have this pain for the rest of my life and it's only getting worse as I grow older. It was even worse before I had my neck op, especially with the crippling headaches every day that no strength of painkillers helped to ease the pain. But I have a lovely caring wife, a father and step mother back home in Cornwall who love and care about me so much, some great neighbours who are also my good friends and if I did anything silly and final I would end up hurting them and letting them down so I keep on going, keep pushing myself through all the pain and discomfort and I will keep on doing that until (hopefully) old age takes me. At the end of the day it's my single minded determination (plus I am a stubborn Cornishman) plus the fear of letting people down that keeps me fighting on through it all. I also learnt that I should not be afraid to ask for help when otherwise I would be struggling to do something.

You tell your wife, do not give up hope. There is light at the end of the tunnel and when she comes around after the operation the headaches will be gone along with most, if not all of the other symptoms pain. For me the operation made such a massive difference. I don't quite know how to put this but imagine that pain is a noise and before the operation it was like being in a crowded noisy bar on a Saturday night and after the op it was like being in a room by yourself with no noise apart from your breathing. Not the best way to try to explain the difference but the relief was instant and amazing. I had tears streaming down my face that night because it was the first time I had no constant headaches, neck pain, tingling and numbness for years. I did have the occasional pins and needles but it got less and less as the days went on and after a couple of weeks were gone completely. The key is to take things easy and build the strength up in your neck gradually and not go messing around under the car changing the suspension (or other silly things) like I did two weeks after my operation. I got a right rollicking for that and quite rightly as I could have undone everything that had been done for me!! Take things easy at first and then do a little more every day until she gets back to normal.
 
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I'm considering a private MRI after suffering recurring lower back pain for years. You would think GP's would give you the option to get to the cause rather than the usual anti inflammatory advice.

Especially considering that anti-inflammatory drugs are now generally considered to be more harmful than opioid drugs with long term use!
 
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