5700XT vs 2070 for 1080p

strumpusplunket · 27 Nov 2019 at 14:53

My eldest is set on getting a new graphics card for Christmas, since he has had to turn down a lot of settings on recent games (most notably RDR2) using his RX570.

I think we'll spend £350-400 on him in total. He's happy to have all this used to get the best possible card, but any savings we could squeeze out to get him something else would be good, too.

He has a 24" 1080p G-Sync screen, and likes AAA (especially open-world) games with lots of eye candy.

I was thinking the 2070 would be best given it will actually be able to use the G-Sync capabilites of the monitor, but I'm wondering if either of those cards is actually a bit overkill at just 1080p, meaning fps will be high enough for G-Sync not to matter anyway? In which case the better value 5700 XT might become preferable (especially the cashback deals on here).

Also thinking a bit about longevity so he (hopefully) won't be asking for another card to upgrade to next Christmas!

A quick look at benchmarks doesn't seem to show much difference between the two, really. A few percent, perhaps 5-10% at most, and a fair bit of to and fro from game to game.

Pretty sure it's between these two, since the 2070 Super is too much more money.

I'm leaning towards spending more to get the 2070 for G-Sync (which he's never experienced before). Is there anything I should know that might sway my decision?

Steveocee · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:01

Not too sure on the performance gap but there is a 1660Super on the market which was pegged as THE 1080p card, not sure how much performance would be left in the tank with that though.

You'd be harming his gaming experience by going for an AMD card and causing him to lose G-Sync.

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:03

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Terrorfirmer · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:09

ya a 2070s or 5700xt seems pointless for 1080p overall. way better value to upgrade lower-mid range every 2 years rather then fling a high-tier card into it just for 'longevity'. the value in that is bad, you are not getting the use at all out of a 400 pound card at all while it's current

rdr2 is demanding enough though. i'd say in this case a rtx2060 or 2060 super is the right man for the job.

keeping in mind that in many games the difference between high and ultra is visually indistinguishable yet heavily costs in fps

Gray2233 · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:13

You can get a 2070 (non super) for the price of a 2060S, that would be my choice out of the two.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1939-red-dead-redemption-2-benchmarks/

Even at 1080P I'd be tempted to spring for the 2070 in your scenario, shame it's a g-sync monitor as a 5700 would be a better bet imo.

strumpusplunket · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:14

Steveocee said:
You'd be harming his gaming experience by going for an AMD card and causing him to lose G-Sync.

Yeah, I am finding it hard to escape that conclusion. I was all set before I saw the cashback deals on the 5700 XTs here, which made me want to check to see what people's opinions were on the comparisons between these cards.

Probably just hoping there'd be a compelling reaosn to go for it I'd not thought of...

Gibbo said:
Palit GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER StormX 6144MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £199.99 inc VAT

If it were just down to practicalities, I think I'd just grab one of those for 1080p G-Sync. Great performance for the price.

I can't help think he'd be disappointed, though. He doesn't know very much about components but has been looking some up, and I had to spend some time explaining why starting out his bargaining position with a 2080 Ti wasn't realistic!

This whole dilemma is your fault anyway. If it hadn't been for that £65 cashback deal popping up on the reference 5700 XT I'd probably already have bought a 2070 and been done with it by now!

Terrorfirmer said:
ya a 2070s or 5700xt seems pointless for 1080p overall. way better value to upgrade lower-mid range every 2 years rather then fling a high-tier card into it just for 'longevity'. the value in that is bad, you are not getting the use at all out of a 400 pound card at all while it's current

rdr2 is demanding enough though. i'd say in this case a rtx2060 or 2060 super is the right man for the job.

keeping in mind that in many games the difference between high and ultra is visually indistinguishable yet heavily costs in fps

Actually, I just checked, and the 2060 Super is suprisingly close to the 2070 in performance. Much closer than I had realised. Shaves £25-40 off the price, too.

Though, of course if they are both overkill for 1080p it shouldn't matter if I get the 5700 XT. For less than £300 on here it's very tempting.

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:17

strumpusplunket said:
Yeah, I am finding it hard to escape that conclusion. I was all set before I saw the cashback deals on the 5700 XTs here, which made me want to check to see what people's opinions were on the comparisons between these cards.

Probably just hoping there'd be a compelling reaosn to go for it I'd not thought of...

If it were just down to practicalities, I think I'd just grab one of those for 1080p G-Sync. Great performance for the price.

I can't help think he'd be disappointed, though. He doesn't know very much about components but has been looking some up, and I had to spend some time explaining why starting out his bargaining position with a 2080 Ti wasn't realistic!

This whole dilemma is your fault anyway. If it hadn't been for that £65 cashback deal popping up on the reference 5700 XT I'd probably already have bought a 2070 and been done with it by now!

Actually, I just checked, and the 2060 Super is suprisingly close to the 2070 in performance. Much closer than I had realised. Shaves £25-40 off the price, too.

Though, of course if they are both overkill for 1080p it shouldn't matter if I get the 5700 XT. For less than £300 on here it's very tempting.

In that case look at these or go for the Asus Cashback deal:

Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming OC 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £375.00 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Giga...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-1B9-GI.html

GV-R57XTGAMING OC-8GD, Core Clock: 1650MHz, Boost Clock: 2010MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 2560, DirectX 12 Support, Vulkan Support, RDNA, Freesync 2 HDR support, 3yr War

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Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card *BLACK FRIDAY DEAL* @ £379.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Sapp...raphics-Card-BLACK-FRIDAY-DEAL-GX-38X-SP.html

11293-01-20G, Core Clock: 1670MHz, Boost Clock: 1925MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 2560, DirectX 12 Support, Vulkan Support, RDNA, Freesync 2 HDR support, 3yr Warranty.

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Powercolor Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Devil 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card *BLACK FRIDAY DEAL* @ £399.95 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Powe...raphics-Card-BLACK-FRIDAY-DEAL-GX-19B-PC.html

AXRX 5700XT 8GBD6-3DHE/OC, Core Clock: 1770MHz, Boost Clock: 2010MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 2560, DirectX 12 Support, Vulkan Support, RDNA, Freesync 2 HDR support, 3yr War

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Out of 5700 XT excluding cash back offers, the Gigabyte is best value, the Devil the most impressive if size, weight and packaging counts.

On NVIDIA side check these, though 1660 SUPER will do what you require:

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 WindForce X2 rev3.0 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £379.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Giga...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-1BG-GI.html

GV-N2070WF2-8GD V3, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 3 Years Warranty.

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Palit GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Game Rock 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £449.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Pali...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-04Z-PL.html

NE6207S020P2-1040G, Boost Clock: 1770MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2560, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 2 Years Warranty

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Palit GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER JETSTREAM 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £458.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Pali...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-04Y-PL.html

NE6207SS19P2-1040J, Boost Clock: 1815MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2560, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 2 Years Warranty

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strumpusplunket · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:25

Pretty sure my decision will be between:

Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £364.99 inc VAT

RX5700XT-8G, Core Clock: 1605MHz, Boost Clock: 1905MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 2560, DirectX 12 Support, Vulkan Support, RDNA, Freesync 2 HDR support, 2yr Warranty

with the cashback taking it below £300 effectively.

AND

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 WindForce X2 rev3.0 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £379.99 inc VAT

GV-N2070WF2-8GD V3, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 3 Years Warranty.

Only £379.99 inc VAT.

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Unless, @Gibbo, you fancied making my decision a bit easier by dropping a nice Black Friday deal on a 2060 Super or 2070?

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:32

strumpusplunket said:
Pretty sure my decision will be between:

Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £364.99 inc VAT

RX5700XT-8G, Core Clock: 1605MHz, Boost Clock: 1905MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Stream Processors: 2560, DirectX 12 Support, Vulkan Support, RDNA, Freesync 2 HDR support, 2yr Warranty

with the cashback taking it below £300 effectively.

AND

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 WindForce X2 rev3.0 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £379.99 inc VAT

GV-N2070WF2-8GD V3, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 3 Years Warranty.

Only £379.99 inc VAT.

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Unless, @Gibbo, you fancied making my decision a bit easier by dropping a nice Black Friday deal on a 2060 Super or 2070?

2060 Super is a waste of time, 2070 flattens it for same money.

I am gonna reduce price on Gigabyte 2070 later, but won't be by much as its already a big drop from the price they used to sell at.

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:39

Gibbo said:
2060 Super is a waste of time, 2070 flattens it for same money.

I am gonna reduce price on Gigabyte 2070 later, but won't be by much as its already a big drop from the price they used to sell at.

Done it, did not realise they were already on offer, really not a lot in it:

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 WindForce X2 rev3.0 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £375.00 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Giga...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-1BG-GI.html

GV-N2070WF2-8GD V3, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 3 Years Warranty.

Only £375.00 inc VAT.

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Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:40

In fact we've being given additional support from Palit on this:

Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Dual 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £359.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Pali...DDR6-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card-GX-052-PL.html

NE62070018P2-1160A, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 2 Years Warranty

Only £359.99 inc VAT - If anyone ordered one at £375, post in CS to get the £15 refunded back!

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strumpusplunket · 27 Nov 2019 at 15:41

Gibbo said:
Done it, did not realise they were already on offer, really not a lot in it:

Great. Every penny helps at Christmas time. Cheers!

Edit: Just saw this:

Gibbo said:
In fact we've being given additional support from Palit on this:

Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Dual 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £359.99 inc VAT

NE62070018P2-1160A, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 2 Years Warranty

Only £359.99 inc VAT - If anyone ordered one at £375, post in CS to get the £15 refunded back!

ORDER NOW

Great stuff! That's clinched it! Thanks!

djxput · 27 Nov 2019 at 17:28

Gibbo said:
In fact we've being given additional support from Palit on this:

Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Dual 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card @ £359.99 inc VAT

NE62070018P2-1160A, Boost Clock: 1620MHz, Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz GDDR6, Cuda Cores: 2304, VR Ready, PhysX/CUDA Enabled, NVIDIA Turing, 12nm Process, Real-Time Ray Tracing, 2 Years Warranty

Only £359.99 inc VAT - If anyone ordered one at £375, post in CS to get the £15 refunded back!

ORDER NOW

curious I cant seem to find the info but does this cards fans turn off with low gpu usage? thanks

Rroff · 27 Nov 2019 at 17:36

djxput said:
curious I cant seem to find the info but does this cards fans turn off with low gpu usage? thanks

The base Palit models usually don't - if it doesn't have 0-dB TECH or Zero Fan in the specification I'd probably assume it doesn't.

Psycho Sonny · 27 Nov 2019 at 17:43

how much is the average normal 2060 ? or have they been phased out?

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 17:47

Psycho Sonny said:
how much is the average normal 2060 ? or have they been phased out?

2060 and 2070 were both brung back for Black Friday specials, you can get a 2060 from £279 and a 2070 from £359 and as the cheapest 2060 Supers go for around £350 it has made the 2060 Super very pointless as the 2070 is a lot faster for same money or the 2060 is a lot cheaper and not that much slower, or people just grab a 5700/5700XT which offer similar performance as well.

Chrisc · 27 Nov 2019 at 17:51

That 2070 isnt decent for the money. Id go with that or a 5700. They will be absolutely fine for 1080p

Psycho Sonny · 27 Nov 2019 at 18:31

Gibbo said:
2060 and 2070 were both brung back for Black Friday specials, you can get a 2060 from £279 and a 2070 from £359 and as the cheapest 2060 Supers go for around £350 it has made the 2060 Super very pointless as the 2070 is a lot faster for same money or the 2060 is a lot cheaper and not that much slower, or people just grab a 5700/5700XT which offer similar performance as well.

Given that a 2060 gets 101fps vs 80fps of a 1660 super on PUBG it totally depends on the hz of his sons monitor.

If his son has a 60hz monitor then 1600 super

if he has a 144hz monitor then probably 2070

if he has a 165hz-240hz monitor then probably 2070 super

after that they become too expensive to be an option for most folk. especially for kids

strumpusplunket · 27 Nov 2019 at 18:36

Psycho Sonny said:
Given that a 2060 gets 101fps vs 80fps of a 1660 super on PUBG it totally depends on the hz of his sons monitor.

If his son has a 60hz monitor then 1600 super

if he has a 144hz monitor then probably 2070

if he has a 165hz-240hz monitor then probably 2070 super

after that they become too expensive to be an option for most folk. especially for kids

It is a 144Hz monitor. Guess at least a 2070 should last a while at 1080p.

Gibbo · 27 Nov 2019 at 18:38

Psycho Sonny said:
Given that a 2060 gets 101fps vs 80fps of a 1660 super on PUBG it totally depends on the hz of his sons monitor.

If his son has a 60hz monitor then 1600 super

if he has a 144hz monitor then probably 2070

if he has a 165hz-240hz monitor then probably 2070 super

after that they become too expensive to be an option for most folk. especially for kids

My point is 2070 cost same as 2060 Super, yet is much quicker and thus better value for money. 2070 right now is NVIDIA's best value for money card and perfect for 1080P high-refresh rate and 1440P gaming.