Still much less problems with petrol engines though.
Best family friendly car with a bit of poke for 12k?
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Still much less problems with petrol engines though.
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Just accept you are old and get another superb a smaller car will annoy you every time you go away!
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since all the recent issues with diesels, don't they depreciate worse than petrol too? Yet more reason to avoid...
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No, they don't tend to. In some markets for example the petrol versions are still unloved and therefore represent very good value for money.
I think I'm pretty much sold on the Mk3 VRS petrol estate, the problem is finding one, they're like hens teeth!
I had seriously thought about it, the Mk3 looks considerably less old manny....
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Do you *need* the estate specifically? Ours is a hatch and it's still very practical. The Estate boot is only about 20L bigger but appreciate it offers a slightly different shape and opening if you have dogs or some other requirement. If you'd be fine with the hatch you may find it a bit easier to find one.
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It’s a great family car! Once you get bored of flooring it everywhere for a week you’ll miss the extra comfort and refinement!
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Sounds like perhaps you should stick with the Superb unless 170hp isn't enough for you. One problem you will face is some of the estates with bigger engines fall into the 'old man' category as well e.g. Jag, Merc etc.
You've then got the estate variants of hot hatches (e.g. Golf/Focus you have mentioned) but you don't have the budget for an R and some of them might feel a bit small for family usage coming from a Superb.
Octavia vRS Estate is maybe the only move but there's a risk you'll be sat there in 3 months time feeling you've spend a lot of cash for a bit more grunt but not necessarily much improvement in comfort/space.
You've then got the estate variants of hot hatches (e.g. Golf/Focus you have mentioned) but you don't have the budget for an R and some of them might feel a bit small for family usage coming from a Superb.
Octavia vRS Estate is maybe the only move but there's a risk you'll be sat there in 3 months time feeling you've spend a lot of cash for a bit more grunt but not necessarily much improvement in comfort/space.
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Yeah, they are, I'm selling mine at the moment and I've had enquiries from 3/400 miles away!
When I was looking there were only three for sale second hand with more than 10k miles, there's a few forums where you occasionally get them before they go on the big sites, it took me a couple of months to get one in the end
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yeah, I was thinking diesel-gate. Last time I looked at used cars, about a year ago, there seemed (to me) to be a lot more diesels on the market than I previously remembered, and that their prices seemed to have dropped (to me) more than the petrol equivalent.
I would be looking for a petrol hybrid. Something like a Toyota CRV. I own a diesel but it will be my last. A lot of cities are introducing stupid congestion charges now. Of the cars you mention, probably the Focus ST (because you said you didn't want an old man car).
^The proportion of diesels on the used market will be increasing simply because it represents the aging of vehicles previously sold, and new diesel sales were rising considerably until recently. So e.g. the used diesel market today will be based on cars sold a few years ago. This is especially pertinent for e.g. 3 year old fleet vehicles that were first registered before the 2017 tax changes - diesel was very attractive in those days. Essentially the used market will implicitly lag trends in the new market rather than necessarily being a knee-jerk "quick everyone offload your dirty diesels". If you wait a couple of years, you'll potentially see a reversal of this trend, because of the drop in diesel sales in 2018 (and probably 2019, but I don't have stats for that).
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I doubt theres anything with a bit of Poke, but what about a Hybrid?
Not sure what there is for a £12k budget. It’s largely diesel at that sort of age of car. Very few petrol, with a vRS being about the best bet.