Soldato
Police using up their resources as the 'thought police' is the reason why real crimes (i.e. violent crimes etc) is on the rise.
Non-crime hate tweet investigation unlawful!
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No. It's because they're easy crimes to wrap up. The reason why "real crimes" are on the rise is due to lack of resources because of Theresa May who slashed policing numbers and budgets as Home Secretary and continued to do it as PM. The MET had been in line for a massive cut before the London bridge attacks and she knew cutting the budget after would have been political suicide. The tories have done sweet **** all to fix the problem they created and they won't, because they don't have to live with the results since they all live in well to do areas and for the higher ranking members of their mob, they have armed personal protection officers and ride about in bullet proof cars, while the rest of us have to ride the tube and hope to **** someone hasn't got a pressure cooker bomb in their back pack because he fell through the cracks due to lack of police resources to monitor these people.
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So much hyperbole in here, it seems like a Daily Mail journalist convention.
With that said, there are legitimate concerns but not really the ones people are focusing on.
So the recording on "non-crime" incidents has it's issues, regardless of whether they are related to hate aggravating factors. Take this example:
You're in your local high street with your partner. You've got a new child and you're both tired. You argue, loudly for other people to overhear, but it's not abusive, threatening or anything untoward, just emotions over spilling because you're both tired and under pressure. Someone else in the high street phones the police and reports your argument, perhaps suggesting one of the parties are being abusive. Police are called and investigate. They locate both parties, understand the actual context, feel no further action is required and simply write the job up.
From that innocent incident, these are the things that will happen:
So collection and retention of police records for non-crime incidents is something that should be questioned, but not just within a hate incident context. This is especially important due to the severe lack of resources that police forces have. Due to incentives from HMICFRS, PCCs and more generally from the Home Office, police forces have been told they need to prioritise these sorts of incidents at the expense of other crime.
It'll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court think about the College of Policing guidance on the collection of this information.
With that said, there are legitimate concerns but not really the ones people are focusing on.
So the recording on "non-crime" incidents has it's issues, regardless of whether they are related to hate aggravating factors. Take this example:
You're in your local high street with your partner. You've got a new child and you're both tired. You argue, loudly for other people to overhear, but it's not abusive, threatening or anything untoward, just emotions over spilling because you're both tired and under pressure. Someone else in the high street phones the police and reports your argument, perhaps suggesting one of the parties are being abusive. Police are called and investigate. They locate both parties, understand the actual context, feel no further action is required and simply write the job up.
From that innocent incident, these are the things that will happen:
- A non-crime domestic will be recorded.
- The party that is being suggested as being the aggressor will be linked as the "suspect".
- A domestic abuse risk assessment will be carried out and this will be sent to Social Services, the GP of any children who are or are not present as well as their school.
- The incident will be on the police system forever and is disclosable if necessary in a background check. I do think it's important that the likelihood of this ever being disclosed on a background check is so small it's close to negligible but the record remains.
So collection and retention of police records for non-crime incidents is something that should be questioned, but not just within a hate incident context. This is especially important due to the severe lack of resources that police forces have. Due to incentives from HMICFRS, PCCs and more generally from the Home Office, police forces have been told they need to prioritise these sorts of incidents at the expense of other crime.
It'll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court think about the College of Policing guidance on the collection of this information.
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Soldato
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This is what you get when you live in a society where "Insert latest buzzword" is the worst crime you can commit. Raping and murdering children will get less news coverage than somebody tweeting that a Man can't be a Woman.
These are the baby steps to goose steps...