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Its just grazing, not enough shift in State of Charge to count as a cycle. And yeah 2kW like that or even 7kW isnt much compared to full power of 300kW and regen atleast 150kW. Again bigger batteries less sensitive.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Sorry didn’t finish that post. Just the battery on cold UK temps and charging would be a going concern. Guess depends on the money payments
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YES! I'd completely forgotten about the battery having no thermal management. That would stop me buying one.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Its just grazing, not enough shift in State of Charge to count as a cycle. And yeah 2kW like that or even 7kW isnt much compared to full power of 300kW and regen atleast 150kW. Again bigger batteries less sensitive.
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And I believe the slower AC charging is much more gentle on the batteries than rapid DC charging. So always just topping up a little bit here and there is a good thing.
 
New car data is out for December and full year 2020. BEV's ended they year on a very strong note, with 21,914 new registrations and the full year they sold 108,205, so around 20% of the total sales in one month, also if you compare the figure to diesel for the year, which were 261,772 by the end of 2021 there will be more pure BEV's registered than diesel only.

I'd imagine a huge number of the cars were registered forcibly by manufacturers/dealers to get their credits for 2020, to offset the CO2 EU fines as much as possible. I'm guessing that there'll be more manufacturers wanting to buy some of Tesla's credits other than Fiat-Chrysler and Honda.
 
My main concern with the leaf would be it’s charging connector but if that isn’t an issue and you don’t plan on keeping it then that’s of course less of a worry.

Due to the rapid charging connector on the leaf, it’s just not going to benefit as much from the rollout over the next few years as not all the chargers have that connector (plus it’s slow!).

Rapid/cold gate isn’t a huge deal in most of the U.K. and over the course of a short PCP but I wouldn’t want to own one long term.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
My main concern with the leaf would be it’s charging connector but if that isn’t an issue and you don’t plan on keeping it then that’s of course less of a worry.

Due to the rapid charging connector on the leaf, it’s just not going to benefit as much from the rollout over the next few years as not all the chargers have that connector (plus it’s slow!).

Rapid/cold gate isn’t a huge deal in most of the U.K. and over the course of a short PCP but I wouldn’t want to own one long term.
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I think it's worse than just charging. The battery can overheat which damages it and reduces it's capacity. It may not be such an issue on the 62kWh model it definitely was an issue when they were 24kWh capacity. AutoExpert.com on YouTube has several videos on the Leaf and it's battery woes. Again, on a PCP I don't think it will ever be an issue but it's an easy thing to just say "no, that's a barrier to purchase for me" to.
 
That’s mainly why i said it isn’t an issue over a short PCP but I wouldn’t keep it long term.

I guess you might as well just rent/lease it if you have no intention of keeping it.

That said, I don’t think I would buy/lease one either unless it was a really good price. I’d certainly prefer the Kona out of the two.
 
WJA96 said:
They’re also bizarrely unfashionable (I blame EV Man on YouTube who had two I think and hasn’t got a good word to say about Nissan, Nissan dealers or the Leaf in general).
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I think the biggest issue the Leaf has is that it's basically the same car as the Gen 1, and so many people have already had a Leaf as their first EV, if they're spending £30k on a new EV, they want something different.

Regarding the comparison to the Kona - the Kona is quite a bit smaller inside. Rear leg room is very short. I couldn't even consider one, and both my rear passenders are children.

I'd be looking at the eNiro instead.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s mainly why i said it isn’t an issue over a short PCP but I wouldn’t keep it long term.

I guess you might as well just rent/lease it if you have no intention of keeping it.

That said, I don’t think I would buy/lease one either unless it was a really good price. I’d certainly prefer the Kona out of the two.
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It's exactly why I went lease over 2 yrs. I think the potential deprecation for "lesser" marques than tesla put me off buying or pcp, not only that but potential long term battery issues and the speed at which the tech is moving now. Instead I'm in a position I want to be at getting a new replacement in the not far future.
Bug One said:
I think the biggest issue the Leaf has is that it's basically the same car as the Gen 1, and so many people have already had a Leaf as their first EV, if they're spending £30k on a new EV, they want something different.

Regarding the comparison to the Kona - the Kona is quite a bit smaller inside. Rear leg room is very short. I couldn't even consider one, and both my rear passenders are children.

I'd be looking at the eNiro instead.
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That surprises me. Last week I placed our brittax romer, a considerably sized toddler seat, in the back of the Ioniq. My tall 2yr old could not kick the seat in front and my partner had plenty of room in front of her too. I also ferried two adults comfortably at Christmas.
 
RoboCod said:
It's exactly why I went lease over 2 yrs. I think the potential deprecation for "lesser" marques than tesla put me off buying or pcp, not only that but potential long term battery issues and the speed at which the tech is moving now. Instead I'm in a position I want to be at getting a new replacement in the not far future.


That surprises me. Last week I placed our brittax romer, a considerably sized toddler seat, in the back of the Ioniq. My tall 2yr old could not kick the seat in front and my partner had plenty of room in front of her too. I also ferried two adults comfortably at Christmas.
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Did you have the front seats all the way back? I'm 6'2 so have the driver seat all the way back. Also when I said children, I mean a 10 year old. There's quite the size difference :p

The space and size was comparable to our 2008 rather than the Leaf. It's a small difference, but a couple of inches in the right place makes quite a difference. If I were buying a car now, I'd be planning for when my son's 15/16 and he could be 6' by then.
 
RoboCod said:
It's exactly why I went lease over 2 yrs. I think the potential deprecation for "lesser" marques than tesla put me off buying or pcp, not only that but potential long term battery issues and the speed at which the tech is moving now. Instead I'm in a position I want to be at getting a new replacement in the not far future.


That surprises me. Last week I placed our brittax romer, a considerably sized toddler seat, in the back of the Ioniq. My tall 2yr old could not kick the seat in front and my partner had plenty of room in front of her too. I also ferried two adults comfortably at Christmas.
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The Ioniq is MUCH bigger inside than the Kona.

Rear legroom

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So it is pretty tight for space. There is LOADS under the boot floor but I'm not going to spend money on a car I'm only going to have for a year getting a custom boot build made when there's only ever me in it and I can just put the seats down if I need more room inside.
 
Bug One said:
Did you have the front seats all the way back? I'm 6'2 so have the driver seat all the way back. Also when I said children, I mean a 10 year old. There's quite the size difference :p

The space and size was comparable to our 2008 rather than the Leaf. It's a small difference, but a couple of inches in the right place makes quite a difference. If I were buying a car now, I'd be planning for when my son's 15/16 and he could be 6' by then.
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I'm 6'3 and have my seat low and quite laid back. There's still room behind. I'll take a photo tomorrow and upload. When we tried it with my son in the back, my partner had her seat forward a few notches.
 
Would be interesting to see how many BEV/PHEV purchases were for the company car market. Must be a huge proportion.
 
RoboCod said:
I'm 6'3 and have my seat low and quite laid back. There's still room behind. I'll take a photo tomorrow and upload. When we tried it with my son in the back, my partner had her seat forward a few notches.
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I have sat in one - so not really sure how any photo you can take is going to change my real life experience.

Perhaps our perception of enough room is different. I'm sure I'd cope if I was given one, or got a good deal. I'm not sitting in the back, so doesn't really effect me as the driver.
 
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