*** The AMD RDNA 4 Rumour Mill ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Those have a 256 bit bus though which seems to give good enough bandwidth with GDDR6 to not limit the cards, going down to 128 is a large cut in bandwidth and definitely impacted the lower end cards last gen.

Navi 44 apparently has half the shaders,so half the bandwidth will mean the compute units will hit similar bandwidth limitations. Like I said the RTX5070 has more bandwidth than an RX9070XT and so does an RTX4070TI Super.

There are rumours the Navi 44 chip is well under 200MM2,and Navi 48 is essentially a pair of Navi44 chips hence the rectangular Navi 48 chip.

The problem is half an RX9070XT is essentially RTX3060TI/RX6700XT level performance. Maybe with high enough core clocks it will be around an RTX4060TI:

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Pulse Review

Sapphire’s Radeon RX 9070 XT Pulse trades flashy extras for substance, to hit its $600 MSRP. There's no RGB lighting or factory overclock, but you get an outstanding cooler that runs whisper-quiet at full load with good temperatures. Performance where it counts.

www.techpowerup.com

So unless the rumours are wrong,the RX9060 is an RTX5060 competitor.

I just looked up Navi 44 die size, its 153mm^2, i'm guessing it has around 40 CU's (2560 Shaders, that is a common number for mid range AMD GPU's) that should put it around an RX 7800 XT but with that memory interface probably actually around an RX 7700 XT.

If they just added two 32Bit Memory Controllers at 23mm^2 it would bring the 192Bit 12GB Navi 44 to something more in line with the RX 7800 XT at 176mm^2, they wouldn't even need to clamshell it to make a 16GB version and add £70 to the base price to pay for the complicated PCB and doubling of VRam chips.

It makes much more sense, surely to AMD too.... ???????

Probably 32 CUs as that is half a Navi 48.

 

[Joxeon]

Navi 44 apparently has half the shaders,so half the bandwidth will mean the compute units will hit similar bandwidth limitations. Like I said the RTX5070 has more bandwidth than an RX9070XT and so does an RTX4070TI Super.

There are rumours the Navi 44 chip is well under 200MM2,and Navi 48 is essentially a pair of Navi44 chips hence the rectangular Navi 48 chip.

The problem is half an RX9070XT is essentially RTX3060TI/RX6700XT level performance. Maybe with high enough core clocks it will be around an RTX4060TI:

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Pulse Review

Sapphire’s Radeon RX 9070 XT Pulse trades flashy extras for substance, to hit its $600 MSRP. There's no RGB lighting or factory overclock, but you get an outstanding cooler that runs whisper-quiet at full load with good temperatures. Performance where it counts.

www.techpowerup.com

So unless the rumours are wrong,the RX9060 is an RTX5060 competitor

If the 9060 is $200 and the 9060XT $300 then they might be ok but if AMD is going price higher then I think these will flop, considering these sort of cards are the price brackets where most people shop for GPUs then AND really needs to nail this launch if they want to increase marketshare.

 

[t2na]

AMD really needs to nail this launch if they want to increase marketshare.

I honestly think I've been reading the same thing for maybe 15 years now at this point.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

If the 9060 is $200 and the 9060XT $300 then they might be ok but if AMD is going price higher then I think these will flop, considering these sort of cards are the price brackets where most people shop for GPUs then AND really needs to nail this launch if they want to increase marketshare.

There is apparently an RX9070GRE being released:

AMD Preps Radeon RX 9070 GRE Graphics Card To Offer More Competitive Gaming Value

AMD is reportedly preparing a new graphics card based on its RDNA 4 architecture, the Radeon RX 9070 GRE, to offer even better perf/$.

wccftech.com

If Navi44 is well under 200mm2 and using GDDR6,then it should be around the level of an RTX4060 to manufacture IMHO.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I honestly think I've been reading the same thing for maybe 15 years now at this point.

Same, but honestly I think this is the first time they've maybe done it, at least with the 9070XT. Beyond prices due to stocking, sentiment is good, they are actually relatively available if you have a little patience, and the drivers are leaps and bounds more stable than they were a decade ago.

The 9060 they will hopefully land, but the first part (9070XT) landing with GOOD launch day reviews for once was a big step forward, as AMD has had a habit in recent years of managing to sour launch day reviews, even if they made big improvements in coming weeks and months after them.

The fact more normal consumers are picking them up not just PC enthusiasts, is a big step forward, as it starts to break the Nvidia mindshare mentality; I've seen a hell of a lot of "OMG, this is my first AMD and Adrenaline is actually really good" posts on reddit in recent weeks.

 

[t2na]

Same, but honestly I think this is the first time they've maybe done it. Beyond prices due to stocking, sentiment is good, they are actually relatively available if you have a little patience, and the drivers are leaps and bounds more stable than they were a decade ago.

Ah no I definitely agree that particularly with the 9070XT and 9070 that this does feel like the first time in a while that more people are generally talking about AMD as a viable option.

It just makes me laugh that every single year we see the phrase 'X must happen for AMD to increase marketshare' repeated.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Well to throw some humour in, "Intel absolutely must not shoot themselves in the foot with thier next CPU and GPU launches if they want to regain enthusiast mindshare!"

 

[humbug]

Ah no I definitely agree that particularly with the 9070XT and 9070 that this does feel like the first time in a while that more people are generally talking about AMD as a viable option.

It just makes me laugh that every single year we see the phrase 'X must happen for AMD to increase marketshare' repeated.

To be fair so far as i can tell reviewers the world over are saying FSR4 is as good as CNN DLSS4 and in some ways better than transformer-based DLSS4 tho with the consensus being the latter is overall better. A little bit.

Though gaming orgs and Discord channels i know a lot of normies, they all buy Nvidia and they all run DLSS, not because they need it but but because they think it makes it better somehow, DLSS good, because reasons? The information that is filtering through to these normies is FSR4 also good, Radeon now good, Radeon like Ryzen, i got one of those Ryzen, i like it.

A couple of them are in the market and even buying them......

 

[BS Dave]

They just need to get it in games now humbug, optiscaler covers a lot but nowhere near everything, Doom Eternal and anything running Vulkan doesn't work, CP2077 would be better if it worked natively or on the DLSS path...Avatar as well. AMD need to get their chequebook out and their guys into studios...

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

They just need to get it in games now humbug, optiscaler covers a lot but nowhere near everything, Doom Eternal and anything running Vulkan doesn't work, CP2077 would be better if it worked natively or on the DLSS path...Avatar as well. AMD need to get their chequebook out and their guys into studios...

Also as I understand it it's a risk using optiscaler on games that use an anti-cheat system, so I guess you can't use FSR4 on those unless they natively support it either (or you can but you run the risk of it being identified as a cheat).

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Ah no I definitely agree that particularly with the 9070XT and 9070 that this does feel like the first time in a while that more people are generally talking about AMD as a viable option.

It just makes me laugh that every single year we see the phrase 'X must happen for AMD to increase marketshare' repeated.

I feel this situation this release is like 50% AMD and 50% Nvidia.

Have AMD "done it"? From a stock point of view it's been better than some of their previous launches, but there have still been stock shortages so there was room for improvement. That said, if Nvidia had made cards that weren't a shambles and had also had decent stock levels there might have been less demand on AMD so their stock levels might have been reasonable.

I think Nvidia's multiple issues, poor stock levels and mostly mediocre gen-on-gen improvements didn't set a high yard stick. I think AMD have released solid cards without being remarkable. They've produced something that not miles away from what Nvidia produced 2+ years ago with the 4000 series, they just priced it better.

Still if this helps to spread the word that Nvidia isn't the only option then hopefully it will be good for everyone (except maybe Nvidia shareholders). As long as both of them stay in the consumer GPU market and produce something better next time!

 

[BS Dave]

Also as I understand it it's a risk using optiscaler on games that use an anti-cheat system, so I guess you can't use FSR4 on those unless they natively support it either (or you can but you run the risk of it being identified as a cheat).

Doesn't bother me - I've mostly stepped away from online games anyway. except maybe COD but AMD smashes that anyway

 

[t2na]

Also as I understand it it's a risk using optiscaler on games that use an anti-cheat system, so I guess you can't use FSR4 on those unless they natively support it either (or you can but you run the risk of it being identified as a cheat).

Yeah, I’m using it in Assassins Creed and it makes a really nice difference. I’m not using it in The Finals because I don’t want to get banned.

 

[Bidley]

Potential 12gb 9070 GRE

AMD reportedly preparing Radeon RX 9070 GRE - VideoCardz.com

Radeon RX 9070 GRE coming after all Great Radeon Edition for China? A week ago, rumors started to surface that AMD may be considering adding a new RDNA4 graphics card to its lineup. The rumors began just as the Radeon RX 9070 non-XT stock has been depleted in the Chinese market. The general...

videocardz.com

 

[d_brennen]

I feel this situation this release is like 50% AMD and 50% Nvidia.

Have AMD "done it"?

I think you're right. If the 5000 series were a decent gen on gen uplift and available at "normal" prices, the 9070 would be meh

 

[BS Dave]

Yeah, I’m using it in Assassins Creed and it makes a really nice difference. I’m not using it in The Finals because I don’t want to get banned.

The Finals is the DICE/Battlefield dev's game right? Any good?

 

[t2na]

The Finals is the DICE/Battlefield dev's game right? Any good?

Without sounding like I’m being paid by the devs, it’s the most enjoyable and different type of FPS I’ve played in actual years. Incredibly satisfying gunplay and a core game mode that is just different to anything else.

I think I’m nearing 800 hours at this point since release…

 

[BS Dave]

Without sounding like I’m being paid by the devs, it’s the most enjoyable and different type of FPS I’ve played in actual years. Incredibly satisfying gunplay and a core game mode that is just different to anything else.

I think I’m nearing 800 hours at this point since release…

Fair play. I'll take a look

 

[muon]

Restocking of these cards seem to be very poor. AMD giving away market share after the massive launch?

 

[GhostDog1981]

Restocking of these cards seem to be very poor. AMD giving away market share after the massive launch?

OCUK had hundreds every time there was a drop.

Elsewhere there was a load of stock at £619 that took a few days to sell through.

Supply seems okay but bit sporadic. Can’t buy one for a decent price off the shelf as in the past.