We heard you like tax, so we added tax to your tax.Yup, their excuse for adding VAT is that I'm not paying the VED, I'm paying them to pay the VED, so they're allowed to add VAT to it. Cheeky ****!
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UK Governments in a nutshell.
Not sure that’s the correct VAT treatment.Yup, their excuse for adding VAT is that I'm not paying the VED, I'm paying them to pay the VED, so they're allowed to add VAT to it. Cheeky ****!
If they are charging an admin fee yes but only on the admin fee.
I’m pretty sure VED is outside the scope of VAT so they shouldn’t charge VAT passing through VED charges to you. It would be like them applying VAT to the parking fine you get rather than just the admin fee for dealing with it.
Edit: not that you can do anything about it given that’s what they have decided to do.
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Must have missed the launch of the Model Y "standard" in the UK - £41999
- No pan roof, just a 'closed sunroof'
- Rear display removed (still has air vents, they are just manual)
- Headlights are basic LED
- Seats are textile/vegan leather mixed
- No front ventilated seats
- Battery is 66kwh vs 75kwh+ on LR models - Still good enough for 314 miles range
- No interior ambient lighting
- Manually adjustable Steering Wheel
- Centre console is reduced
- FSD are replaced with normal shocks
Definitely heading in the right direction, everything else is included.. £40k would have been nice as that would have been epic value compared to entry level SUVs like the Enyaq
The big battery Tesla Model Y just got £4000 cheaper | Autocar
Entry-level SUV forgoes light bars, panoramic roof and more to bring the price down to £44,990www.autocar.co.uk
I know they are lighter than most EV's, but 314 miles off a 66kwh battery? No chance.
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It’s WLTP, not real world.
That’s only 8 more miles than the 2021 60kwh model 3 I had and given the efficiency improvements they’ve made since then on the Model Y, I’m not sure what there isn’t to believe, it seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Edit: that standard Y had about the same range as my current long range AWD model Y (79kwh?). That’s it to be sniffed at even if some of the ‘nice to haves’ have been stopped out to get down to that price point.
The price delta to the long range RWD car is pretty significant (£7k). So significant that you’ve got to really want the long range car for it to be worth it as 314 WLTP miles is good enough for most of the market in reality.
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Yeah i think 314 miles is very optimistic, from some of the owners groups i'd think 4m/kwh is more realistic so like 260ish miles real world to empty. That'd still be plenty for me though, not that i could afford it anyway but i think it's an interesting proposition.
For me i'd not be bothered about a lot of the stuff they 'cut', don't care about a glass roof or electric seats or wheel adjustment, much prefer cloth seats anyway, only thing i'd miss would be the rear screen as the daughter would love that but lots of aftermarket options for that if you wish.
Wonder if they'll be bringing the standard model 3 here next then?
For me i'd not be bothered about a lot of the stuff they 'cut', don't care about a glass roof or electric seats or wheel adjustment, much prefer cloth seats anyway, only thing i'd miss would be the rear screen as the daughter would love that but lots of aftermarket options for that if you wish.
Wonder if they'll be bringing the standard model 3 here next then?
Pretty criminal that a 4 year old car with just over 100k is beyond economical repair. What a waste of resources.
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one would hope it does not go to the scrappy (to be crushed) and ultimately gets used for parts or bought and fixed by a hobbiest. however you are right. it plays right into the hands of the anti EV lot and goes against any argument that individual modules are replaceable.
like you say. pretty criminal tbh
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Seems like a great opportunity to buy it off the insurance cheap and whack in a refurb pack of your own, or have it fixed. Obviously insurance companies just get LOL quotes from first party OEM's or their repair network can't handle EV's properly so the uneconomical repair rubbish comes out.
Yeah hopefully it is just lease company maths taking into account hire car costs etc.
I'm sure an entire industry is going to form around fixing, repurposing and recycling EV batteries. We just need the critical mass of demand for it to emerge.
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fair point sorry I was rushing I meant hopefully not gonna be crushed etc
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As tech moves on you would hope it will get easier and cheaper to replace batteries.
It will be, they do the same with ICE cars that need significant engine work at 3-4 years old. It's a combination of cost of repair and risk of ongoing issues versus the cost to simply cut their losses and start again.
May be useful to the scum who supplied this used car:
Cardiff man loses £13K in 'truly terrible' car clone fraud
Sevak Maljian says he carried out all recommended checks when buying a used car.
www.bbc.co.uk
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A friend of mine owns a breakers, and you would be surprised at what they write of cars for nowadays. The amount of repairable Cat B you see is crazy. Insurers, since Covid, don’t really thoroughly inspect cars. Copart handle it all for them. My 4 year old 330e was written off for a wing,bumper,bonnet and headlamp.
May be useful to the scum who supplied this used car:
Cardiff man loses £13K in 'truly terrible' car clone fraud
Sevak Maljian says he carried out all recommended checks when buying a used car.
This is why I'd rather pay a little extra and go via a reputable dealer rather than private sale, even more so people who can't afford to lose the money even if that is balanced against the higher dealer prices.
I've often wondered how much a fully charged battery weighs compared to a near empty one, there's got to be a difference, right?! There's something being added after all.
Well a bit of searching reveals that there is indeed a difference - for a car with a 100kWh battery the difference from flat to fully charged is about 400 nanograms.
Seeing as your typical gusto fart weighs more than 100,000,000 nanograms I don't think I need to think about it anymore
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