Spec me a Waterproof winter Jacket

413x said:
This seems counter intuitive?
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Stop.
Take off outer layer, take off mid layer, maybe take off inner layer, maybe take off thermals, add back other layers as needed, stow unwanted layers.
Move off.
Stop again every time you get too hot or cold, to reorganise different layers.
Stop again, stop again, stop again.
Do this while hefting a rucksack and anything else you may have, or while also trying to manage however many dogs you have, and you spend half the time on wardrobe changes.

Or just get one layer, worn over base layer, which is adjustable and adaptable while on the move...

413x said:
There isn't really a jacket that can keep you hot and also that let's you breathe without overheating.
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UF Pro does the Delta series, designed for arctic and mountain warfare.
I have the ML (gen2) for going down to around -10ºC and the OL (gen3) for down to -25ºC, obviously depending on how active you are.
You can use the ML as a mid-layer beneath the OL for ridiculously cold weather, or add any of their other products in combination. They even do mid-layers with offset zips to mitigate pressure points.

The breathability without sacrificing insulation is one of their hallmarks.
I can come from being toasty in -7 outside into a house that's in the upper teens and not overheat at all. It's stunningly good!!

413x said:
If you're just walking the dog having layers isn't going to be a problem either.because you're not going to get too hot or cold by that logic?
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Depends where you walk.
I take my three for 2-hour fast hikes through open fields and hilly woodland, and around some old Roman ruins. It's a proper workout - With previous brands I'd start off utterly freezing, but then have to shed the jacket from overheat, only to be frozen again a few minutes later. I don't get any of that these days.
 
ttaskmaster said:
Stop.
Take off outer layer, take off mid layer, maybe take off inner layer, maybe take off thermals, add back other layers as needed, stow unwanted layers.
Move off.
Stop again every time you get too hot or cold, to reorganise different layers.
Stop again, stop again, stop again.
Do this while hefting a rucksack and anything else you may have, or while also trying to manage however many dogs you have, and you spend half the time on wardrobe changes.

Or just get one layer, worn over base layer, which is adjustable and adaptable while on the move...


UF Pro does the Delta series, designed for arctic and mountain warfare.
I have the ML (gen2) for going down to around -10ºC and the OL (gen3) for down to -25ºC, obviously depending on how active you are.
You can use the ML as a mid-layer beneath the OL for ridiculously cold weather, or add any of their other products in combination. They even do mid-layers with offset zips to mitigate pressure points.

The breathability without sacrificing insulation is one of their hallmarks.
I can come from being toasty in -7 outside into a house that's in the upper teens and not overheat at all. It's stunningly good!!


Depends where you walk.
I take my three for 2-hour fast hikes through open fields and hilly woodland, and around some old Roman ruins. It's a proper workout - With previous brands I'd start off utterly freezing, but then have to shed the jacket from overheat, only to be frozen again a few minutes later. I don't get any of that these days.
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There's no way I could hike in something that thick.
But even that jacket says it's not waterproof? So you need another layer.


When most people (inc me) talk about layering it's only 3.
Base
Mid
Shell.
Not talking Russian doll style.
 
200sols said:
I've been walking up the hills/mountains in this country and im in a T shirt and others are dressed like eskimos :cry:
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My legs get ridiculously hot up hill. It's why I wear leggings not trousers. It feels like I'm cooking on trousers. The heat just wells up.
Even in Greenland and Norway most of the time I only wore a pair of leggings, a merino base layer and a wind shell.

One of the nice things when it's that cold? No need for a rain shell!
 
yep it's only three layers and you anticipate changes, an insulated garment, even with pit zips is going to absorb moisture if you are putting in a lot of effort;
ski d'randonee can be hitting the morning sunrise with just a base layer , but need those other layers in your rucsac if you are in the shade, or later descending.

A lot of it is personal physiology, if you have less/more personal insulation, cold water swimming isn't my bag.


Did anyone mention use of humble golf umbrella for walking the dog - albeit, I guess, logistics of that an cleaning up after a dog would be problematic.
 
413x said:
There's no way I could hike in something that thick.
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The ML and OL are both thinner than they look.
But if you're out in -20ºC then you won't be so worried about the thickness anyway. 0

413x said:
But even that jacket says it's not waterproof? So you need another layer.
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Again, this is proper cold weather gear, so rain is less of a concern. Snow is a factor, but again if you're just walking the dog then not that big a deal.
Nothing that is properly breathable will be waterproof. That's your trade-off.
You can get highly water-resistant and even water-repellant, but nothing actually waterproof (ie 15m and above) will be breathable.

413x said:
When most people (inc me) talk about layering it's only 3.
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It depends on your activity level and the environment.
I still favour one adaptable garment to faffing with multiple layers.
 
Typical OCUK though. Someone asks about a raincoat for dog walking and the discussion descends into point scoring about extreme cold weather gear and jpaul saying about a golf umbrella :D
 
ttaskmaster said:
The ML and OL are both thinner than they look.
But if you're out in -20ºC then you won't be so worried about the thickness anyway. 0


Again, this is proper cold weather gear, so rain is less of a concern. Snow is a factor, but again if you're just walking the dog then not that big a deal.
Nothing that is properly breathable will be waterproof. That's your trade-off.
You can get highly water-resistant and even water-repellant, but nothing actually waterproof (ie 15m and above) will be breathable.


It depends on your activity level and the environment.
I still favour one adaptable garment to faffing with multiple layers.
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This is quite confusing. You are saying you avoid layers and prefer 1 layer. But then also that it depends on your activity level? And that the coat you have is for really cold weather? And it isn't water proof?

But isn't that that point.
Layers means your entire wardrobe can flex to different conditions.
What do you do if you have a rain jacket that's also insulating but it gets too warm?

I never have needed more than 3 layers. And most of the time I need 2 layers. Base is a given. You have to wear something under a coat.
And at least one extra is needed. Usually a windshell in the UK. Thin, breathable, wind proof. Then, if needed, a rain shell.

Its irrelevant to the OP. But if you're walking fast and then stopping for a while. Or it's rainy and then sunny you're going to want different layers. I do anyway!

I'd say in typical UK layers are more relevant than most countries as in within half an hour you can have cold, wet wind and the still sunny and dry.

200sols said:
Typical OCUK though. Someone asks about a raincoat for dog walking and the discussion descends into point scoring about extreme cold weather gear and jpaul saying about a golf umbrella :D
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Yeah it's gone way off topic.
 
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200sols said:
Typical OCUK though. Someone asks about a raincoat for dog walking and the discussion descends into point scoring about extreme cold weather gear and jpaul saying about a golf umbrella :D
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These are the jackets I use for dog walking...

413x said:
This is quite confusing. You are saying you avoid layers and prefer 1 layer. But then also that it depends on your activity level? And that the coat you have is for really cold weather? And it isn't water proof?
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Several different points that you're compiling into one, so no wonder you're confusing yourself.

413x said:
But isn't that that point.
Layers means your entire wardrobe can flex to different conditions.
What do you do if you have a rain jacket that's also insulating but it gets too warm?
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Which is more of a problem for you - Getting wet from the outisde, or getting wet from the inside?

413x said:
I never have needed more than 3 layers.
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And because that's your need, everyone else should be just like you?

413x said:
Its irrelevant to the OP. But if you're walking fast and then stopping for a while. Or it's rainy and then sunny you're going to want different layers. I do anyway!
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Or one layer that will adapt to your needs.
OP wanted a winter jacket. Much of the stuff people have posted won't apply to your sunny weather.

413x said:
I'd say in typical UK layers are more relevant than most countries as in within half an hour you can have cold, wet wind and the still sunny and dry.
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So you go enjoy your layer thing and I'll do what works for me, no?
Why is it such a problem that your method doesn't meet my needs?
 
ttaskmaster said:
These are the jackets I use for dog walking...


Several different points that you're compiling into one, so no wonder you're confusing yourself.


Which is more of a problem for you - Getting wet from the outisde, or getting wet from the inside?


And because that's your need, everyone else should be just like you?


Or one layer that will adapt to your needs.
OP wanted a winter jacket. Much of the stuff people have posted won't apply to your sunny weather.


So you go enjoy your layer thing and I'll do what works for me, no?
Why is it such a problem that your method doesn't meet my needs?
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I think we can draw a line under this one.
Apologies to OP for the tangent!
 
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200sols said:
and jpaul saying about a golf umbrella :D
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He's not wrong though although it's more sensible in warmer weather


My general waterproof is a North Face Dryzzle, I've had it 5 years, wash it in the summer and winter with this stuff - https://grangers.co.uk/products/wash-repel-clothing-2in1-1l-eco-pouch and it hasn't ever let me down

I had an Altura Mayhem 2 for running which was amazing, but I managed to destroy it in the tumbledryer after a wash, put it too high and it melted the seams, they don't make them anymore either and the new jacket I got for running, an Altura Nightvision Tornado looks nice but it's ******* awful that I stopped wearing it because it doesn't let moisture out so even if it stops the rain, you end up drenched
 
Craghoppers are pretty good. I've bought a number of waterproof, breathable and insulated jackets and trousers from them over the last year and they have all performed really well in foul weather over long walks. Prices are very reasonable and they do free delivery on all orders for members (which is also free).
 
Update:

I put chased a Helikon Tex Poncho.

Packs small enough to fit in my Parker pocket so when it rains I can whip it out and put it on. See how I get on

Cost : £41
 
For those wanting wax jackets without paying Barbour or looking like "the set" - head to a countryside outfitters or check somewhere like Stow-Ag online. A slightly too large wax jacket with plenty of layers underneath is my preference!
 
moon man said:
i have the Mountain equipment Lhotse , seems to be deals on to buy for under 350 ,very waterproof , pit zips. super tough , as said by others its better to layer up rather than have an insulated one season jacket
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I've got one of these as well - first gen Goretex Pro (when goretex Pro was made from eco unfriendly forever plastics BUT was designed to last) purchased 11 years ago and still to this day has not leaked once.
Wish I'd bought two...
 
I've had that for must be 20 years when they were £80 delivered to the UK

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Or a barbour

Both from new, an hour in the dryer on cold with a boot to age them a bit
 
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Stelly said:
I want this, but that price :D
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20mHH with any degree of breathability is never going to be cheap. Most "waterproof" fabrics that aren't outright plastic sweat-box barriers only come in around 2-5m at best. The higher end ones usually sit around 10m.
But saying that, compared to competitors, ThruDark are still insanely expensive!!!
 
easyrider said:
Update:

I put chased a Helikon Tex Poncho.

Packs small enough to fit in my Parker pocket so when it rains I can whip it out and put it on. See how I get on

Cost : £41
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Can't go wrong with helikon. Ive recommended them in the past. I'm likely to buy the Yukon jacket they do soon.
 
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