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Another Chinese GPU about to hit the market

Grim5 said:
Have they though? iphones are more expensive than ever.

Maybe because iphone and chinese phones don't run the same OS, but then that's admitting that software matters more than hardware. And the DXD GPU above doesn't have hardware support for Direct X 12.

I don't like the phone comparison as much as you might, because taking off the shelf Android is easy, but there is no such software for GPU's, no off the shelf driver I can install on my chinese GPU that makes every game run.

It would be interesting to see how many chinese gamers are buying chinese GPU's, I bet not many. Chinese gamers make up half of all steam users, yet not a single Chinese GPU model has enough market to show up in the steam surgery
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Chinese are all in on Nvidia, which is why you see so much uk inventory being ripped for parts :D

but if a local company started to close the gap there'd be international interest more than domestic I imagine.

Like how most Koreans/Chinese prefer iPhones to their local offerings of Samsung/Xiaomi etc
 
Some of these Chinese cards are using imagination technology tech which is a uk firm which used to design apple GPUs. However there is a big difference between workstation GPUs for commercial apps and gaming. As we know with intel, make drivers for gaming is very hard.
 
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Chinese GPU maker Lisuan demos 7G106 GPU running 3DMark test on Windows on ARM - VideoCardz.com

Lisuan Tech GPU runs 3DMark test alongside ARM-based CPU on Windows on ARM This is some interesting news from China, because it points to a new path for
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The First Discrete GPU to Support “Windows on ARM” May Not Come From NVIDIA or AMD, but From China’s Lisuan

Lisuan is expected to introduce its 7G106 gaming GPU soon, and it is reported to feature support for 'Windows on ARM' platform.
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It is interesting Lisuan Tech is the first company to tested 7G106 discrete GPU on a ARM based PC motherboard ran 3DMark Steel Normad tests under Windows on ARM, they managed to make 7G100 series driver for Windows, probably worked on both x86 and ARM for games.

I tried to searched 3DMark results database but would not find Lisuan or 7G106 in search so it seemed Lisuan Tech did not uploaded 3DMark Steel Normad DirectX 12 benchmark result.
 
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eeii said:
Some of these Chinese cards are using imagination technology tech which is a uk firm which used to design apple GPUs.
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They're still around. The latest Pixels (IIRC) use them as part of the tensor cores.

The core difference (for those of you not around in the 1990s) between the rendering technologies is that Imagination (PowerVR) used a "tiling" approach to rendering and the rest (3DFx etc) used brute power rendering. That effectively meant the PowerVR cores only rendered what you could see and in turn made them hugely power efficient. Bit like x86 vs ARM really which I'm sure I've said in another thread.
 
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Moore Threads Unveils The Lushan Gaming & Huashan AI GPUs: 15x Gaming Performance Uplift, 50x RT Boost, DX12 Ultimate Support, Launching Next Year

Chinese chipmaker, Moore Threads, has unveiled its two brand new GPUs, Lushan for gaming & Huashan for AI, promising big performance boosts.
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Moore Threads will launch next generation gaming Lushan GPUs in 2026 that will see 50x boost for ray tracing capabilities, it will feature DirectX 12 Ultimate, path tracing and neural rendering to compete with Intel Battlemage, AMD RDNA4 and Nvidia Blackwell GPUs.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
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Moore Threads Unveils The Lushan Gaming & Huashan AI GPUs: 15x Gaming Performance Uplift, 50x RT Boost, DX12 Ultimate Support, Launching Next Year

Chinese chipmaker, Moore Threads, has unveiled its two brand new GPUs, Lushan for gaming & Huashan for AI, promising big performance boosts.
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Moore Threads will launch next generation gaming Lushan GPUs in 2026 that will see 50x boost for ray tracing capabilities, it will feature DirectX 12 Ultimate, path tracing and neural rendering to compete with Intel Battlemage, AMD RDNA4 and Nvidia Blackwell GPUs.
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Key quote from the announcement : 15x increase in overall gaming performance vs S80 flagship.

The MTT s80 is on par with GT1030, so 15x 1030 would still be well behind Nvidia and amd


 
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Grim5 said:
Key quote from the announcement : 15x increase in overall gaming performance vs S80 flagship.

The MTT s80 is on par with GT1030, so 15x 1030 would still be well behind Nvidia and amd
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I am not sure about that. I guessed MTT S80 was on par with GT1030 2 years ago but it seemed MTT S80 performance improved with driver updates 2 years on. I think MTT S80 is now behind GTX1650.

GT1030 ran these 11 out of 12 game unplayable like slideshow compared to GTX1650. :cry:


I found someone recently tested MTT S80 with games back in July 2025 ran many games fine.

 
Krono5 said:
They're entirely reliant on what TSMC is allowed to sell to them by the west, who themselves are entirely reliant on ASML. No one is ever going to compete with ASML (at least in my lifetime) as they have a natural monopoly, it'd take 20+ years and tens of billions just to do the EUV that they currently do, not to mention High-NA EUV that they're working on. This is even ignoring the exclusive contract that ASML have with Zeiss who make their mirrors, which again are on another level to that which anyone else in the world could produce in decades.

This is vastly different to making a mediocre mobile, we're talking about practically the hardest engineering that's ever been done in any field.
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I am well aware of what EUV is and its complexities but like I said, its only a matter of time and you wont have to wait long. I don't agree with the reverse engineering premise in the news either, you can only reverse engineer something if you actually have one to take apart or study from, otherwise the first soviet nuclear weapon is also reverse engineered, I digress

China reverse-engineers the most advanced chip-making machine in the world​

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China builds most advanced chipmaking machine, cracks EUV barrier

Only one company in the world currently has functioning EUV machines, and it has sued a Chinese engineer for stealing trade secrets.
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EUV can't be that hard if as the article claims, it took just 100 chinese university students to build an EUV machine

meanwhile american university students are trying to sell dehumidifiers to north africa on kickstarters
 
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AMDPower said:
I am well aware of what EUV is and its complexities but like I said, its only a matter of time and you wont have to wait long. I don't agree with the reverse engineering premise in the news either, you can only reverse engineer something if you actually have one to take apart or study from, otherwise the first soviet nuclear weapon is also reverse engineered, I digress

China reverse-engineers the most advanced chip-making machine in the world​

interestingengineering.com

China builds most advanced chipmaking machine, cracks EUV barrier

Only one company in the world currently has functioning EUV machines, and it has sued a Chinese engineer for stealing trade secrets.
interestingengineering.com interestingengineering.com
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I'm not buying that article. If it were so easy Kodak and Canon who gave up in the mid-2000's after dumping billions in R&D would be back at it, along with a plethora of startups that would have easy access to capital to get in on what is an incredibly lucrative business.Even if they had something to reverse engineer, I'd like them to try and reverse engineer a mirror...
 
AMDPower said:
People use to laugh at their mobiles, aerospace technology, their naval technology, their missile technology, space technology, ect ect ect, yeah lets laugh at their gpu too :rolleyes:. Come back to this thread in 10.
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Yes I remember people laughing at the idea of driving Chinese cars.....and yet here we are with the roads increasingly stuffed with them.

The Chinese know how to manufacture stuff, yes they make a lot of money selling cheap tat, but there's a market for it. Anyone thinking they won't end up making competitive high end products in any sector they set their minds to is very foolish.
 
I laugh at nationalism in consumer products.
Corps have no country, faith or care for anything that isn't profits, some of you are old enough to remember factories being off-shored last century.
 
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