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AMD announces FSR Redstone for RDNA4: Neural Radiance Caching, ML Ray Regeneration and Frame Generation

Upscaler cost of 11ms though and 15ms at fullhd, that's almost all the frame budget at 60fps. gets it to 6ms at the end though
Might be better on a higher end GPU, He didn't say which GPU he was running it on though but guessing by the fact it was only 1080p and he wasn't even getting 60fps with out using FSR it's one of the lower end cards
 
Might be better on a higher end GPU, He didn't say which GPU he was running it on though but guessing by the fact it was only 1080p and he wasn't even getting 60fps with out using FSR it's one of the lower end cards
Was it not handheld? Think the rog ally or something. Still interesting work though
 
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Did they not announce and walk it back, accusing of everyone of being confused? Great move for consumer confidence.

No, you're getting your information from clickbaiters... the "confused" ones, they separated teams because RDNA 4 is different to previous generations, its a different development process to RDNA4, RDNA1, 2 and 3 would still receive all the usual updates for the latest games but they might be updated later than RDNA4 with the latter getting priority, that's what they got the backlash for.
 
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Did they not announce and walk it back, accusing of everyone of being confused? Great move for consumer confidence.

Yes, they did walk it back. And even now the wording is ambiguous. They will only update going forward depending on "market needs" whatever the heck that means. And they even had the cheek to blame the customer for not understanding. Calling the customer "confused"

Don't mind Humbug, any site that says anything bad about AMD is a clickbait site.

You had it spot on.
 
Here is an example of this claim by tech journalists, it links back to an October 29'th Driver release note as their source for "sunsetting" The RX 5000, 6000 and 7000 series GPU's.


It says no such thing in those release notes, in fact there are updates and bug fixes for the RX 6000 and 7000 series GPU's in that driver, there are added VK extensions missing from the RX 6000 and 5000 series GPU's, because they don't have those extensions, for example we all know they don't have AV1.

The BF6 updates that they are talking about being "reserved for RX 7000 and 9000 series GPU's" are because older GPU's simply do not support those extensions.


Look, i have an RX 7800 XT, it does not have the extensions to support FSR 4, but we all know AMD have a version of it that does support the RX 7000 series GPU's, its slower and the image quality is not quite as good as it is on the RX 9000 series, but its still visually much better than FSR 3, its about as good as DLSS 3, it ******** me off that so far they have refused to release it officially and i have called AMD out on it multiple times, the wired thing is these tech journalists don't seem to care about that and instead are making a lot of noise about something that isn't even true.

Its only smaller tech journalists that cover the RX 7000 series FSR 4 thing, the usual suspects just don't seem to care.... That ******* me off too!
 
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Here is an example of this claim by tech journalists, it links back to an October 29'th Driver release note as their source for "sunsetting" The RX 5000, 6000 and 7000 series GPU's.


It says no such thing in those release notes, in fact there are updates and bug fixes for the RX 6000 and 7000 series GPU's in that driver, there are added VK extensions missing from the RX 6000 and 5000 series GPU's, because they don't have those extensions, for example we all know they don't have AV1.

The BF6 updates that they are talking about being "reserved for RX 7000 and 9000 series GPU's" are because older GPU's simply do not support those extensions.


Look, i have an RX 7800 XT, it does not have the extensions to support FSR 4, but we all know AMD have a version of it that does support the RX 7000 series GPU's, its slower and the image quality is not quite as good as it is on the RX 9000 series, but its still visually much better than FSR 3, its about as good as DLSS 3, it ******** me off that so far they have refused to release it officially and i have called AMD out on it multiple times, the wired thing is these tech journalists don't seem to care about that and instead are making a lot of noise about something that isn't even true.

Its only smaller tech journalists that cover the RX 7000 series FSR 4 thing, the usual suspects just don't seem to care.... That ******* me off too!


Pretty sure the source was the initial clarifying statement from AMD:

"In order to focus on optimizing and delivering new and improved technologies for the latest GPUs, AMD Software Adrenalin Edition 25.10.2 places Radeon RX 5000 series and RX 6000 series graphics cards (RDNA 1 and RDNA 2) in maintenance mode. RDNA 1 and RDNA2 graphics cards will continue to receive driver updates for critical security and bug fixes."

Confirming game optimisations came after:

"New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs in the maintenance mode branch"




So I think the confusion about them not being in maintenance mode lies with you.
 
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Pretty sure the source was the initial clarifying statement from AMD:



Confirming game optimisations came after:






So I think the confusion about them not being in maintenance mode lies with you.

I still don't see the source, what you posted there was a quote from Toms Hardware, its from the link that I gave you and all it does to cite their source as the driver release notes they link to, where this quote does not appear at all.
 
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I still don't see the source, what you posted there was a quote from Toms Hardware, its from the link that I gave you and all it does to cite their source as the driver release notes they link to, where this quote does not appear at all.

It says it’s from a statement to them, from AMD.

Unless you’re saying they’re lying about the quote they’ve put in quotation marks and said is what AMD has said to them.


[Edit 11/3/2025: To be clear, AMD gave Tom's Hardware both an on-the-record verbal statement clarifying that day-zero support would be enabled, and also provided the following written statement.]

"New features, bug fixes and game optimizations will continue to be delivered as required by market needs in the maintenance mode branch," an AMD spokesperson told Tom's Hardware.

That's a statement that's likely to confuse some customers, as it's unclear what those "market needs" are. This sounds like new features will still be focused on RDNA 3 and 4-based GPUs, but AMD's clarification is that RDNA 1 and 2 will continue to get day-zero support for games, including on handhelds.

This is meant to clarify a statement from yesterday that read: "In order to focus on optimizing and delivering new and improved technologies for the latest GPUs, AMD Software Adrenalin Edition 25.10.2 places Radeon RX 5000 series and RX 6000 series graphics cards (RDNA 1 and RDNA 2) in maintenance mode. RDNA 1 and RDNA2 graphics cards will continue to receive driver updates for critical security and bug fixes."


 
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It says it’s from a statement to them, from AMD.

Unless you’re saying they’re lying about the quote they’ve put in quotation marks and said is what AMD has said to them.







One thing AMD have consistently failed to learn is proper communication, especially relying on journalists to put their message out of instead of just making it public themselves, i'm inclined to believe they quoted AMD out of context to garner clickbait drama for revenue $ as much as i am to believe AMD actually ended support for products that Valve, Asus... are still selling.

Either AMD really are so stupid as to **** on their partners who bring them many millions in revenue or Toms Hardware deliberately misinterpreted what may have been a much larger statement in its original form, what we are asked to do now is trust Tomes Hardware who just ran with it instead of asking for the obvious clarification "wait, are you ******* serious AMD??????" only publishing a "clarification" after publishing the article that got them a lot of clicks.

If it wasn't for the fact that AMD's CPU's are better than Intel's and Nvidia deliberately building planned obsolescence in to over-priced GPU's i wouldn't buy anything at all from AMD because no matter what the true story is here i'm tired of seeing **** like this and it is AMD who are at fault here for mismanaging their public messaging over and over again.
Get your **** together AMD ffs.....
 
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I'm not sure what you mean about planned obsolescence re: Nvidia but regardless of how you interpret AMD's statement, I don't think there is more concrete evidence of planned obsolescence than no INT8 FSR4.

It's out there, people are getting it working on Linux and through using old drivers on Windows, but deafening silence from AMD.
 
This update (if its what I think it is) has been in the pipeline for the last 6 months. Its focused on ROCm because ROCm performance on Windows has been crap compared to Linux & its long LONG overdue.

Its unfortunate that people think that Adrenaline updates are simply for gaming.

Re FSR4 on RDNA3 cards. I suspect the first place you're going to see this happen is in SteamOS/Proton where it already works to a limited extent.

I dunno whether you'll ever see it on Windows as Proton does a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of ensuring things work on individual games. AMD doesn't have the capacity to do this for Windows - hell they're struggling now on ROCm releases and that's the cash cow, like it or not.

So maybe the Steam Machine might have a trick up its sleeve when it releases. It'll need one.
 
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Not sure what you're getting at.
I was moving yesterdays discussion in regards to AMD locking FSR4 upscalling to RDNA4 away from the driver thread.

It's not about the AI driver being released, it's about community feedback about AMD locking down ML upscalling.

If I can manually drop the AMD supplied ML FSR DLL and run FSR4 on my 79XTX and my Rog Ally or use optiscaler.

It works, get it released!

Yeah, stop F'ing around AMD.
 
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I was moving yesterdays discussion in regards to AMD locking FSR4 upscalling to RDNA4 away from the driver thread.

It's not about the AI driver being released, it's about community feedback about AMD locking down ML upscalling.

If I can manually drop the AMD supplied ML FSR DLL and run FSR4 on my 79XTX and my Rog Ally or use optiscaler.

It works, get it released!
Thanks, gotcha. I know the FSR4 thing is a sore subject and you'd think with the card I have I'd be in the same boat. I just don't see it. Maybes I can get onboard with back porting to RDNA3 only. But I definitely can't see a use case for RDNA2 given the hit we've seen Humbug mention would only be worse again.
 
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