AI Generated Music

As we don't really have a general AI music thread - kind of cool thing recently Suno seems to have improved the generation of tracker style music i.e. commonly used for stuff like the Amiga, Acorn/RISC OS and older games like Unreal, etc.
 
I normally listen to music via apple musics discovery recommendations playlist. I liked a tracks it selected, only to find they were AI generated. Most of the time, you can't tell they're a AI band from their profile, but releasing loads of track all in 2026 is normally a red flag
 
I do agree that AI music should be labelled as such, but the artistic quality of AI music is increasingly improving - I've had a couple of people following me on Suno who are producing stuff with it which is creatively interesting albeit not stuff I'd particularly listen to and some producing stuff I'd listen to.

And as often seems to be the case Rick is behind the curve when it comes to AI - yes a lot of generations are reconstituted parts of real artists work but increasingly the latest models are using music theory and their learning to produce stuff which for all intents and purposes are original though this seems to come at the cost at the moment of sounding more generic and using a more limited range of instruments and effects.
 
Ultimately, AI could create something on par with Bohemian Rhapsody and I couldn't give a ****. Music is about more than the sound/noise, it's about the feeling, energy, intent, pain and almost everything else required to be classed as 'human'. Even **** music (Friday by Rebecca Black for example) is more valuable to me than "good" AI music because I know that it's been created in an honest manner.

"Original" or not, AI is not human, it's a cheating thief, and it can **** right off as far as I am concerned and I want to know what my ears are being exposed to it so that my conciousness can recoil in disgust when it enjoys something artificial.
 
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Fubsy said:
"Original" or not, AI is not human, it's a cheating thief, and it can **** right off as far as I am concerned and I want to know what my ears are being exposed to it so that my conciousness can recoil in disgust when it enjoys something artificial.
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Very little music is actually original in that respect - even though it is often unnoticed/unknown or unremarked on but a lot of modern music traces its inspirational roots back to a smaller number of composers particularly Vangelis and Tangerine Dream who in turn leaned on classical composers before them. AI generation varies from slop where someone just fire and forgets a text prompt through to stuff which has been iteratively created and crafted/curated to the result - some going to the lengths of generating samples and different layers and building up a tune. Some of the latest models you can even sketch out your song with rough hummed melodies / beat and rough vocals and use the AI to process them into something like the intended vision.
 
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I have a bit more sympathy for Ed Sheeran ripping off some yesteryear artist than some data centre humming along with hoarded GPUs and RAM spitting out some sort of frankentune.

It's amazing, I'll grant you that, but it's not "real" - if this is the future then just bring out the T-800 and end me tbh.
 
I'm a bit pee'd off, on June 16th 2024 I made a thread called Songwriting AI -

Songwriting AI

You'll love this and at the same time be a bit disturbed. My bass player wrote a few things out like band name Not Guilty, Dave on keys, Jason on drums etc and asked it to be driving rock. This is the result - https://suno.com/song/0f4021fe-60ed-44c7-b43f-e2a0e119ce64 It also gives an alternate...
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The songs AI created for me on that thread have now been taken over by another person, how dare they steal what I've stolen?

Even my song about Overclocking has got somebody else's name on it :)
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Who Cares

Listen and make your own on Suno.
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Not really following what has happened there - people can't just take songs on Suno - you can allow public remixes and people can't make their own variant (but that doesn't seem to be what has happened there).

EDIT: If you've not logged in for a long time on an unpaid account it does look like you may end up with the account purged and public songs being moved to virtual user accounts. (Technically you don't, or anyone else, own generations created while on an unpaid account).
 
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The other day a post came up on my Timeline which upset a bloke older than me.
He'd got over 300 albums uploaded to Bandcamp but lost everything because he uploaded an AI album.
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Just been removed from bandcamp for uploading AI music - after 15 years and 300+ albums they have deleted all my content overnight. Despite my music/merch earning them site traffic and revenue, they...
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RetiredGreyFox said:
The other day a post came up on my Timeline which upset a bloke older than me.
He'd got over 300 albums uploaded to Bandcamp but lost everything because he uploaded an AI album.
Worth a read if you can
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From the details seems like he had warnings to remove the content which he purposefully ignored, and it does seem like he persisted after Bandcamp took a policy stance against AI music. Which they have a right to do.

Though the comments there reflect a typical position on AI music which personally I think is narrow minded and/or outdated - if people don't want to listen to AI music that is their right and personally I detest the fire and forget AI slop but there is plenty of AI generated music now which is no worse, sometimes even better, than a lot of the mainstream stuff produced today.

On a related note was playing around with a Wheel of Time music inspired theme for fun the other night and generated this (was quite early in my playing with the idea so vocals were just kind of "greeking") https://suno.com/s/wyGFVPJpFV5ejcjX and it is quite clearly leaning heavily on the Battlestar Galactica Intro which is based on Anuradha Paudwal's Gayatri Mantra which itself is based on the work of Lata Mangeshkar.
 
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As you can see my post I was messing with Suno back in June 2024 and if you read that thread I was quite excited but since then people have been passing it off as 'real' and so I've become to dislike it.
However I am using AI to help with with lyrics, I write loads of music but now stumble on lyrics.
What I do is have a working title, a line here and there, maybe a couple of lines for a chorus and then tell AI to write me lyrics around those 4 lines and title.
I ask several AI's and then cut and paste.
Cheating but it's only for me.
 
RetiredGreyFox said:
As you can see my post I was messing with Suno back in June 2024 and if you read that thread I was quite excited but since then people have been passing it off as 'real' and so I've become to dislike it.
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Yeah I've an intense dislike for when people don't clearly accredit it as AI. I dabble with it a lot for my own amusement and occasionally share stuff which produces interesting output, or some stuff is just for a laugh.

RetiredGreyFox said:
However I am using AI to help with with lyrics, I write loads of music but now stumble on lyrics.
What I do is have a working title, a line here and there, maybe a couple of lines for a chorus and then tell AI to write me lyrics around those 4 lines and title.
I ask several AI's and then cut and paste.
Cheating but it's only for me.
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I've done quite a lot where I've sketched out the lyrics then got AI to generate a dozen different variants and picked and chosen lines to fit - resulting in anything from 25-75% AI input, or sometimes when I've got that far I've then completely rewritten from scratch without using AI but using that as inspiration.
 
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