Star Trek : Starfeet Academy (Paramount+)

This wasn't really star trek, although a lot of that has to do with the fact that TV has changed significantly (Even Strange new worlds which is as close to Trek as we've had for years is still significantly different to TNG etc)

But there was some good episodes in there, towards the latter stages I enjoyed the show.
 
steve5424 said:
It isn't going to get viewers when people who haven't seen it are crying and **** posting about it all over the Internet, word of mouth works both ways.
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IF people whining and crying about things on the internet stopped people watching those things Harry Potter would have been dead years ago, except it's not. Because enough people still like the things created with that IP to turn a profit.
 
Sythe79 said:
IF people whining and crying about things on the internet stopped people watching those things Harry Potter would have been dead years ago, except it's not. Because enough people still like the things created with that IP to turn a profit.
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The Acolyte is another example where people hating know it put people off watching and led to it being cancelled.

People seem to forget that Trek has always been 'woke' and has had diversity at its core ever since the beginning. Gene Roddenberry was a 'leftie' and laterly could be called a communist for his views.

IDIC - Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A vulcan phrase and something he was very prpud of. Somehow people have forgotten what Trek was about.
 
steve5424 said:
The Acolyte is another example where people hating know it put people off watching and led to it being cancelled.

People seem to forget that Trek has always been 'woke' and has had diversity at its core ever since the beginning. Gene Roddenberry was a 'leftie' and laterly could be called a communist for his views.

IDIC - Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A vulcan phrase and something he was very prpud of. Somehow people have forgotten what Trek was about.
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Only the creators of "modern trek". It's not about Star Trek, it's about the message.

 
Star Trek was always about the "message".

We are all different but we can work together.
Don't hate and fear things you don't understand.
Find a diplomatic solution.

First crew featured a Russion, an Asian, a Black Woman, an Alien, a Scottish man. You couldn't make it more diverse.

Pretty core to Trek.
 
steve5424 said:
Star Trek was always about the "message".

We are all different but we can work together.
Don't hate and fear things you don't understand.
Find a diplomatic solution.

First crew featured a Russion, an Asian, a Black Woman, an Alien, a Scottish man. You couldn't make it more diverse.

Pretty core to Trek.
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Don't recall TOS acting like complete idiots.
 
steve5424 said:
The Acolyte is another example where people hating know it put people off watching and led to it being cancelled.

People seem to forget that Trek has always been 'woke' and has had diversity at its core ever since the beginning. Gene Roddenberry was a 'leftie' and laterly could be called a communist for his views.

IDIC - Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. A vulcan phrase and something he was very prpud of. Somehow people have forgotten what Trek was about.
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Poor Excuses for bad writing, bad reviews might stop people who have already checked out of these franchises giving them another chance, but the bad reviews aren't the problem, it's the poor quality shows that have meant people have given up on franchises like Star Wars, Star Trek and Dr who in the first place.

"The Message" as you put it was woven into a good story, what TNG and DS9, for example did particularly well was give you a moral question and let you make up your own mind to a certain extent not beat you over the head with it.

I recently rewatched the first season of Enterprise for the first time since they were originally aired, guess what, it wasn't very good. I remember it being better, so I'll get around to watching the other 3 seasons, but you can see why people checked out at the time, and it ended up only getting 4 seasons.
 
hornetstinger said:
Don't recall TOS acting like complete idiots.
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Wasn't that 60 years ago? Also had one of the first interracial kisses broadcast
Also had some ridiculous episodes

The anti woke agenda is so toxic, but at the same time there are decisions which were made that were intentionally divisive, I hated the Klingon character
 
steve5424 said:
The Acolyte is another example where people hating know it put people off watching and led to it being cancelled.
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The Acolyte is another example of a terribly written show not pulling in enough numbers, I watched multiple episodes of it and it is by far the worst piece of Star Wars media ever put to screen. Even the ridiculous old holiday specials at least had some hilariously corny charm to them, The Acolyte was flat out painful. The singsong space witch scene "THE POWER OF MANNNYY!" invoked levels of second hand embarrassment in me that I didn't think were possible.

The show wasn't cancelled because of online outrage, the online outrage was indicative of general opinion and people tuned out in massive numbers early on because they didn't like it.

The average person going about their lives isn't glued to the internet all day while drinking down buckets of drama, they go to work, come home, and want to spend a few hours relaxing with their families before going to bed.

There has been evidence for a long time now that the vast majority of online engagement on social media comes from a relatively small group:


A new study by Pew Research has once again underlined the ‘dominance of the few’ rule on social media, with the numbers showing that around 25% of Twitter users in the US produce around 97% of all tweets.
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It's the same across the board, I'll reiterate: Most people aren't sitting reading and getting invested in online drama and outrage all day, they have lives and believe it or not agency and chose of their own volition that these shows were not worth their time.
 
Those who crow the loudest get the most attention, even if that isn't the popular opinion and of course people talk so even those not following something will hear of the bad whinging about it.

Was the Acolyte poor, partly. But it also had some moments of greatness. It just wasn't given a chance.

Remember TOS got canned after 3 seasons due to low ratings. Only gaining in popularity due to syndication later on.
 
steve5424 said:
Young people in training to become officers is very different from fully trained and experienced crew though. We witnessed that anytime we saw the academy in TNG etc.

But certainly there was many silly moments in TOS.
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If I was around people like Starfeet during military school, I'd have quit, I wouldn't want to rely on those idiots to look after my back in a conflict.

They'd probably be taking photos of their genitals and sticking their tongues out whilst they're being attacked by a Gem Hadar fighter
 
For anyone based in south UK, I went to a 'bridge command' experience that lasted a couple of hours and way pretty fun. I was responsible for general 'map-reading' and had a few other activities... my high-point was 'hacking' an enemy ship's warp drive so they couldn't run away. Hacking turned out to just be a game of minesweeper :D

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Worth a visit I'd say :)
 
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If this show was even remotely good, it wouldn't have been thrown on the trashheap so quickly.
People don't want to watch rubbish, so they don't. Low viewing numbers = dead show. Social media hate watching was probably helpful to this one, at least SOME people were tuning in. :D
 
ill be sad to see it go, i liked it, was it good, mostly, no worse that any other startrek in it first few seasons, but then if any of the other star trek tried to get made, with todays social media, nothing would have got made, so toxic is todays world. there people out there who haven't even watched it, but still "hate" it because social media told them too.
 
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