Parental abuse of Madeleine McCann
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Is it me, or has Madeleine suddenly turned into a way of her family cashing in? I'd be interested if the family could detail all expenses included.
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Yes. It's a conspiracy.
This family begged someone to steal their little daughter as they quite fancied some more money.
Do you really mean to be so stupid? (To the mods, that's not an "insult", it's a real question).
And I'm noticing that the people who agree with the OP seem to have neglected replying to my post. Who'd have thought, really?
EDIT:Sorry, I left out the one thing I meant to post:
This family begged someone to steal their little daughter as they quite fancied some more money.
Do you really mean to be so stupid? (To the mods, that's not an "insult", it's a real question).
And I'm noticing that the people who agree with the OP seem to have neglected replying to my post. Who'd have thought, really?
EDIT:Sorry, I left out the one thing I meant to post:
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markyp23 said:
Not sure your post is as relevant as you think - someone coming into your own home to walk past your living room door etc is a different situation to going to a foreign country and leaving the kids in your apartment while you are not in the same apartment as them? Can't see how you think that is similar.
Whilst I agree that the parents should not have left the kids on their own (esp at that age), I also agree that no form of punishment will be as severe as the guilt they will already be feeling.
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Do you really think that the kidnapper walked through the house? He came through the window and took the child. Will have taken the best part of 20seconds from start to finish. Had the parents eaten in, would this have been prevented? It would be less likely, yes. An impossibility it is not.
Where did I say that I was referring to them being in Britain? I said that if the parents (ie. the McCanns) had eaten in that night. Hence it couldn't really be more relevant for the purposes of the point I'm trying to illustrate!
Where did I say that I was referring to them being in Britain? I said that if the parents (ie. the McCanns) had eaten in that night. Hence it couldn't really be more relevant for the purposes of the point I'm trying to illustrate!
markyp23 said:
You said in an earlier post - "The parents were having a meal in the living room and the kids were sleeping in the bedroom. Parents are talking to their friends loudly and can't hear anything but the room. Kid gets snatched. Parents don't check on kids until they go to bed."
As the parents weren't in Portugal with their friends (they would still be at home in Britain), I automatically assumed that they would be eating dinner in their living room in Britain - was I wrong to make that assumption?
Because I don't "mean to be so stupid" as you put it in an earlier post
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Vegetarian said:
Neglect or assumption born from daily conversation that the resort was safe?
How easy it is, from the luxury of our homes, in front of our computers.
No one knows the 'exact' facts of this and let us not forget those poor children that have been abducted from their own homes here in the UK when the parents were in situ.
It is so very easy to point fingers and blame 'someone' yet what we have to remember is that if it wasn't Madeleine, it would have been another child.
Who cares about who made a mistake, the blame lies with the perverted to55er that chose to abduct a child that night.
Why should a child have to worry about being safe, it's the downright fault of the so called adult who's wrong.
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doopydug said:
Firstly, stupid bit was definitely aimed at Basmic.
Secondly, "the parents" and the fact that someone else in the thread had said they were out at dinner with "their mates". Your assumption was not particularly wrong, but now it's been clarified do you not feel that it is relevant?
markyp23 said:
It's late and am genuinely tired after having only 2 hours sleep last night (my youngest has been having coughing fits all night), but it seems to have contributed to me losing track of our mini-debate. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
Basically, i can find no justification for any parent (I am a father of four), leaving kids alone while they dine out whether alone or with friends either in the UK or abroad. I do feel that it is irresponsible and that is where I agree with the OP.
I am off to bed now but will attempt to catch up with this thread tomorrow after a (hopefully) restful nights sleep.
I can see where your post appeared frustrated with Basmic as I think his post was naive if not sarcastic but it's the way he feels and he put it out there.
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doopydug said:
A father of four or not, can you honestly say you've not left your children vulnerable at any time? What about when they're asleep and you stay in your garden with your BBQ mates getting mashed?
Is it not true to say that just as many children, if not more, are abducted from under their parents noses?
This type of blame really annoys me. So full of self righteousness and advice yet still hypocritical... makes me laugh.
talbotsean said:
In answer to your first point, I cannot honestly recall leaving my kids vulnerable. Thats not to say I haven't, I just can't recall having done so. I do not ever leave my kids in the house alone under any circumstances. I go out once a month for a meal (not often I know but comes with having four youngish kids), but I make sure they are left with grandparents for the two or three hours I am out.
To your second point, you may be right about numbers of children abducted and if the parents did something which didn't protect their children from it but left them as vulnerable as the McAnns, they would suffer the same reaction from me I'm afraid. I am not an extremist, I just think its a dangerous world and opportunities for sickos and paedos should be limited where possible. Thats my job as a dad untill my kids are old enough to know better.
Your final point - I am not blaming the parents but they contributed IMHO. I would be self righteous if I was as guilty as them for doing so and I honestly believe I am not, and thirdly, I have never offered advice or professed to be an expert.
You get lessons on how to be a driver and you have to pass a test before you can get behind the wheel. Being a parent is something that happens without an exam and you never know if what you are doing will make sure your kids turn out ok but the one thing that is important is you do your best for the kids - I don't think these people did that. they took their eye off the ball and have been punished in a very unfair manner. i hope for everyones sake, she is found soon.
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doopydug said:
But did they leave them vulnerable. Are we sure that it wasn't given to them that this resort was safe?
I know, and I am a lucky one, that when my children were put to bed at 6pm they never ever ever woke up til 6am the next day.
So, given that scenario, why wouldn't the parents have believed their children were safe.
When we put our children to bed at night, in our own homes, they're no more safer than any child left in their own room anyplace else to be honest. It was a horrible horrible occurrence - out of the ordinary - and they're paying the price.
If you hold your childs hand every second of every day, then I admire you and accept your arguement. If you don't then you're preaching right from wrong that just isn't appropriate here.
Dolph said:
The bath scenario is something I thought about.
As a parent you know your child, and from knowing your child you know whether or not you feel comfortable with being a short distance away from the room they are in. I know that my daughter sleeps like a log once she's asleep, and if she wakes up she stays in bed unless it's light outside and I dont think that I would have anything to worry about if I left her once asleep.
I wouldnt've left my children in the room by themselves though, my own personal choice.
All this stuff about if they'd been a lower class family is naff, if a 4 year old goes missing, a 4 year old goes missing and the focus is on finding the child- not condemning the parents. They will be going through enough emotional turmoil and kicking themselves for leaving their babies without other people kicking them. Whatever the outcome in this case, Madeliene's parents have got to live with the fact that they left their children and one of them got abducted for the rest of their lives. And if Madeliene isnt found alive, well can you imagine how much pain they will be going through anyway let alone people condemning them for their decision?
Parents make mistakes. I've made bad decisions as a parent in the past, admitedly nothing really important, but you still feel guilty afterwards.
The only important thing in this case is that this little girl is found alive and well, and I have everything crossed hoping that this will be the case.
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tiggy said:
Here restesth any arguement anyone might have about what Madeleines parents did that night.
What they did they now truely regret but it could have been very different indeed... so much so that NOTHING might have happened.
The only person to blame here is the paedophile trash that walk this earth. Rid the earth of such trash and we're home free.
basmic said:
I'm donating. Especially since I hear my money will be going towards the training of Portuguese rescue dogs specially for this mission. And powerful torches.
And for those of you who use Facebook, breaking news has it that the kidnapper has said that Madeleine will be released as soon as there are 10,000 members of every 'Find Madeleine' group. So get involved guys.
talbotsean said:
Wrong!!!!!
Well lets see. Rhys (my 5 month old) goes to bed upstairs in his cot in our house which always has all its external doors locked and if a window is open it is in the locked position unless it is during the day as we are in the house. All internal doors are closed (fire prevention) and we use a baby listener. When he older we will probably drop the baby listener, but the rest remains. At all times one of us is in the house.
So how is leaving 3 children alone in their own bedroom in an apartment in any country whilst you are a few hundred yards away having dinner the same? Please tell us all?
They were negligent plain and simple. If they came out and said we shouldnt have done it I think most people would get off their backs. And the media have ignored this aspect. I hope she is found, but will not be donating a penny (they earn over 100grand each in those jobs) and will not be forwarding an emails, watching any videos etc. And why will our enjoyment of the cup final have to be ruined?