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I would expect the 670's to drop in price - no?

weehamish said:
I agree but its not like they are getting a bad card, just paying a lot more then they should.

Its like PC World, look at how many idiots still shop there? I mean if you go in to the shop and google price compare anything you will find it cheaper 9 times out of 10!

And its not like they have good customer service! I got a 51" Samsung plasma for like £1500 it broke i payed £300 for extra cover, i got it replaced with a 51" plasma that cost £700 :\ How does that work out?

But they have still got loads of customers, my dad being one of them no matter how many times i tell him to stay away lol!
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You're sounding more and more like Mal :p

Their CS is epic if you outsmart their employees ;) (not hard considering most of them haven't even started puberty :p)
 
Anyone like to hazard a guess if the 670s will drop in price after Christmas?

I'm still sitting on the fence, 7950 or 670... and not just leaning to nV because of bias, they also are quieter cards, and noise is important. Otherwise I'd buy the MSI 7950 "hoover edition" that's on sale atm :p
 
Technically the MSI 7950 should only get hot if it's faulty. The cooler is better than the HIS IceQ one but due to the faultiness of two MSI cards for me they ran 20-35c hotter on the same voltage.

Noise is obviously only going to come into it if they run hot and a working MSI 7950 should not run hot except at an extreme OC.
 
FoxEye said:
Anyone like to hazard a guess if the 670s will drop in price after Christmas?

I'm still sitting on the fence, 7950 or 670... and not just leaning to nV because of bias, they also are quieter cards, and noise is important. Otherwise I'd buy the MSI 7950 "hoover edition" that's on sale atm :p
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Having seen Nvidia post massive profits, I see no reason for them to drop prices. They may surprise us and do the decent thing but time will be the factor in this.
 
Rusty0611 said:
Technically the MSI 7950 should only get hot if it's faulty. The cooler is better than the HIS IceQ one but due to the faultiness of two MSI cards for me they ran 20-35c hotter on the same voltage.

Noise is obviously only going to come into it if they run hot and a working MSI 7950 should not run hot except at an extreme OC.
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But could you RMA them for being hot/noisy? Would OcUK class this as a "fault" if it's within tolerances?
 
FoxEye said:
But could you RMA them for being hot/noisy? Would OcUK class this as a "fault" if it's within tolerances?
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You could DSR them if you are unhappy for any reason. I doubt they could be RMA'd though if they were working fine. It could simply be poor application of TIM or something. Don't know what my original temperatures were as the first thing I did on mine was replace the TIM.
 
You could RMA them anyway on the basis that they say they're cooler/quieter than reference and if you get a real stinker like one of mine was, it's louder and hotter than reference! But to save the hassle just return under 14 day/DSR.

It'll become apparent quite quickly if you've got a faulty one though any kind of voltage bump and temperatures sky rocket to around 75-80c if you're lucky or 85-90c if you're not.

While it could be argued that by increasing the voltage you're in effect causing this yourself, this would be false because it is only the relatively low clock speed of the 7950s which effectively be able to would mask this problem anyway.

I would expect a fully functioning MSI Twin Frozr III V2 HD 7950 to be around 65c full load with a relatively high core voltage of 1.156. This should net you a clock speed of around 1125-1175 depending how good your chip is. This is a nice balance between heat and noise if the cooler is working properly.

As a point of reference my IceQ which is not a good a cooler as the MSI runs around 68-70c full load at that above mentioned voltage.
 
nvidia relies on the uninformed/biased people (Fans) otherwise we would see lower prices by now. Its going to be interesting to watch how well nvidia does in Q4 against AMD lower prices and better performance in the desktop Market. Most of Nvidia profits have come from outside the desktop market (Tegra = Google/MS etc, and Servers = Amazon/Titan etc).

AMD have taken a chunk out of nvidia in the workstation market because that market has no bias (Majority) and are well informed in their purchases.

There has been some offers that bring nvidia GPU`s in-line with AMD prices but on a small scale (Offers).
 
If you buy Nvidia, you are uninformed, biased or a fan but if you buy AMD, you are well informed...You are seriously deluded in your bias of AMD
 
MAK360 said:
nvidia relies on the uninformed/biased people (Fans) otherwise we would see lower prices by now. Its going to be interesting to watch how well nvidia does in Q4 against AMD lower prices and better performance in the desktop Market. Most of Nvidia profits have come from outside the desktop market (Tegra = Google/MS etc, and Servers = Amazon/Titan etc).

AMD have taken a chunk out of nvidia in the workstation market because that market has no bias (Majority) and are well informed in their purchases.

There has been some offers that bring nvidia GPU`s in-line with AMD prices but on a small scale (Offers).
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Have you a link to the workstation market you talk of, would be a interesting read.
 
I thought it was one of Nvidia'a stronger areas(Which I could be wrong about!) so would be a interesting read on how AMD are getting more of a foothold in it.
 
^^ AMD have been opening up new markets for their fireGL cards (tho nothing of note atm as its fairly recent) but afaik these are emerging markets and or new areas that AMD have found to exploit and not overlapping with nVidias workstaion market.
 
MAK360 said:
nvidia relies on the uninformed/biased people (Fans) otherwise we would see lower prices by now. Its going to be interesting to watch how well nvidia does in Q4 against AMD lower prices and better performance in the desktop Market. Most of Nvidia profits have come from outside the desktop market (Tegra = Google/MS etc, and Servers = Amazon/Titan etc).
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Some people prefer to buy from a company with a better track record of supporting their products even if its means paying a premium.

Not saying nVidia's track record is spotless but over the years they have more instances of putting their money where their mouth is, more instances of pushing relevant technology/continued support of games through their ways its meant to be played program and less instances of dropping the ball on mainstream game releases.

Take tessellation for example - ATI was very vocal about this with TruForm in 2001 it wasn't until 2009/2010 before there was a mature and useable version of the technology mostly spearheaded by Microsoft and nVidia.

Hardware physics? ATI was one of the first to make a big splash about it in 2005/2006
continued by an even bigger publicity exposure by AMD in 2009
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and even as recent as 2011 they made a big noise about Open CL and bullet:

bit-tech.net said:
Interestingly, Hegde also didn't rule out the possibility of GPU-accelerated Havok rearing its head again either, saying that ' it is possible that we'll see it in the future, but right now our gaming strategy at AMD on GPGPU is based on the Bullet Physics engine.'

In short, it looks as though AMD is now putting some serious money behind gaming physics, and with a developer-friendly business model, not to mention wide-ranging hardware support, Bullet Physics has the potential to take over from CUDA-accelerated PhysX. Whether this will translate into fully fledged game-changing physics remains to be seen, but if future consoles use OpenCL-compatible GPU hardware (and they probably will), and GPU-accelerated physics on PCs indeed opens up to multiple hardware platforms, then it looks as though gaming physics might actually start to take off in future.
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Where are the fruits of all this? what applications are using this today?

Take a look at the various incarnations of AMD's game support programs with more recent the big noise they made about gaming evolved - big noise about pushing the boundaries with new technologies and wider spread of supported titles when AMD picked up Deus Ex: HR and a couple of other titles I forget the names of and all quickly forgotten with DX:HR the only one getting any real support - a few months later there was nothing otherwise to show for it.

People seem quick to forget all the times AMD made a big noise about something i.e. open standards and then 6 months or a year later you look back and see nothing ever came of it they also have a higher number of instances of dropping the ball on mainstread game releases and a lesser track record of timely fixes for issues:

techreport.com said:
Historically, AMD has had a much lower profile than its rival in that department. Titles that didn't carry the TWIMTBP badge almost never had an AMD logo in its place, and more often than not, one could expect fresh releases to work more smoothly on GeForces than on Radeons. We experienced that disparity on a grand scale last year, when AMD bungled the release of its Catalyst drivers for Rage, and users had to wait a few days for a driver supporting both the new id Software title and EA DICE's Battlefield 3 beta. Native support for Radeon-specific features like HD3D, AMD's stereoscopic 3D implementation, was spotty, as well.
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Now one of the problems here has been that they tried to adhere to a rigid driver release timetable and that didn't really work so well - its something AMD identified with their recent "never settle" initiative and had promised to sort out - and granted the first proper driver released under this initiative has been a solid release so hopefully an indication of better things to come... but as part of that initiative they also identified a string of game titles that they'd be putting support behind as a new ramping up of their gaming evolved program and so far 2 of those titles have been release with as far as I know no support from AMD.

Now nVidia have bungled the odd mainstream game release IIRC Stalker was a pretty poor effort and theres a higher (insignificant) chance your nVidia drivers might make your GPU explode but the informed amongst us will be able to look at the systemic nature of things from both sides and compare them honestly rather than get hungup on the specific instances used to illustrate the point I'm making.
 
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