Rebuild-QX6700 or Fresh Dedi?
- Thread starter FMTopfan
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I'm a bit behind but had a few more important things to take of first.
Earlier today I've been running Acronis DriveCleaner on the Barracuda 7200.10 500GB via eSata on gaming rig and it's currently at 72%. I can start the rest of the build and get a few more images up in a bit, then install HDD/OS tomorrow. When I come to installing Linux for Folding 24/7, is the consensus Ubuntu is fine?
I plan on de-lidding 3570K after I get temps from 8 hour run on IBT for a before/after comparison. Here's the first image of everything I listed from on my initial post:
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Looking good! 
Looking good!
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Well what can I say, the etailer I bought the Phanteks PH-TC14PE cooler from - which shall remain nameless to obey forum rules so please don't ask - has gave me a used and damaged item at normal retail price, lucky me!
In all the years building various PCs I've never seen so many faults and it's a long list that I'll bring to their attention, why they provided me with something so obviously flawed I don't know.
Shown below is the photo with the damage that would have otherwise damaged my CPU since it stick out and note the scratches and fingerprints. I wore lint-free gloves through the build process.
Please note I can't proceed until I get a new cooler otherwise everything would have been completed today. Thanks for being patient
May as well post some photos I took since I've got nothing more to do tonight.
CPU cleaned: will give the heatsink another clean when I get the new cooler - always worth taking a photo and viewing on a monitor because you notice the surface isn't 100% clean. Take one before and one after to compare your efforts. I already posted a before further up where there was a slight outline of thermal compound.
I used 5 drops of trusty old ArctiClean 1 and slowly tilt the CPU in a circle until the solution covers the surface. Wait 60 seconds as directed and carefully wipe with a folded up kitchen roll. I don't have coffee filters for a perfect finish but so long as it doesn't leave loose fibres your ok. Then finish off with ArctiClean 2 using 8 drops and this time used a 100% microfibre, lint free cloth to polish off.
Repeat above if not 100% clean. You can also use those cotton buds aka swabs for stubborn thermal paste removable [not applicable for new CPU here] and slowly turn it and you drag it vertical then repeat horizontal, wipe with kitchen roll to remove any loose fibres and inspect. We have progress but the 3570K still needs another clean, once more for luck
Black and Gold: Unboxed ASRock Z77 Extreme4, a well-specced mobo for a good price (around £100) and cushioned securely in soft polyurethane foam. For CPU/heatsink/RAM installations, etc, it's protected a little more when you place it on top of the box until placement into the case. Remember to take off the protective plastic tape from the heatsinks.
The manual Package Contents did state the 2x 45cm SATA-III cables were optional but are provided here. The CD is version 1.7b. Download latest drivers from ASRock website.
Status: Finished build! Installing Ubuntu today and figured it's easier to use FAHControl than the client.
CPU cleaned: will give the heatsink another clean when I get the new cooler - always worth taking a photo and viewing on a monitor because you notice the surface isn't 100% clean. Take one before and one after to compare your efforts. I already posted a before further up where there was a slight outline of thermal compound.
I used 5 drops of trusty old ArctiClean 1 and slowly tilt the CPU in a circle until the solution covers the surface. Wait 60 seconds as directed and carefully wipe with a folded up kitchen roll. I don't have coffee filters for a perfect finish but so long as it doesn't leave loose fibres your ok. Then finish off with ArctiClean 2 using 8 drops and this time used a 100% microfibre, lint free cloth to polish off.
Repeat above if not 100% clean. You can also use those cotton buds aka swabs for stubborn thermal paste removable [not applicable for new CPU here] and slowly turn it and you drag it vertical then repeat horizontal, wipe with kitchen roll to remove any loose fibres and inspect. We have progress but the 3570K still needs another clean, once more for luck
Black and Gold: Unboxed ASRock Z77 Extreme4, a well-specced mobo for a good price (around £100) and cushioned securely in soft polyurethane foam. For CPU/heatsink/RAM installations, etc, it's protected a little more when you place it on top of the box until placement into the case. Remember to take off the protective plastic tape from the heatsinks.
The manual Package Contents did state the 2x 45cm SATA-III cables were optional but are provided here. The CD is version 1.7b. Download latest drivers from ASRock website.
Status: Finished build! Installing Ubuntu today and figured it's easier to use FAHControl than the client.
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I will post the photo of the completed folding rig later. I spent yesterday trying to figure out Folding as it wouldn't download then didn't start the core and couldn't figure it out. Nearly gave in to buying Win7 but keep at it since Ubuntu is damn fast and free
Installation from a slow 9MB/s USB 2.0 stick - prepared Ubuntu 12.10 x64 ISO with Universal USB Installer 1.9.2.4 - took 5 minutes on a OCZ Vertex 2e SSD! Wow that's fast. Boot takes 3 seconds. I ran a command I googled to remove bloatware to free additional resources but it was already pretty fast, probably added a few more points.
Below is a grab and shows the 3570K @4.2Ghz 1.3vcore - would show CPU speed, etc but can't find CPU-Z equivalent. Temps don't even touch 70c, after a few hours Folding from scratch (using Folding@home Client Control 7.2.9) it peaks at 68c, room at 24.5c.
Btw, I noticed the FahCore runs 0xa3 whereas on 2600K it's 0xa4, I'm running SMP so how can I change that? I have just added advanced option incase that's a Linux requirement for 0xa4(?)
Installation from a slow 9MB/s USB 2.0 stick - prepared Ubuntu 12.10 x64 ISO with Universal USB Installer 1.9.2.4 - took 5 minutes on a OCZ Vertex 2e SSD! Wow that's fast. Boot takes 3 seconds. I ran a command I googled to remove bloatware to free additional resources but it was already pretty fast, probably added a few more points.
Below is a grab and shows the 3570K @4.2Ghz 1.3vcore - would show CPU speed, etc but can't find CPU-Z equivalent. Temps don't even touch 70c, after a few hours Folding from scratch (using Folding@home Client Control 7.2.9) it peaks at 68c, room at 24.5c.
Btw, I noticed the FahCore runs 0xa3 whereas on 2600K it's 0xa4, I'm running SMP so how can I change that? I have just added advanced option incase that's a Linux requirement for 0xa4(?)
oh look, that board has 2 pci e slots
haha
I looked at using my GT440 but it requires Wine and too complicated to setup. That GPU would be ok on that tiny 500W PSU but i'd only gain an additional 4k PPD for consuming 70W, way out of proportion. I could even put this case in my bedroom since the extracted air is very cool Also, it appears I've got a large WU atm, each percentage step is taking 10 minutes on 0xa3 core; Progress: 48.56% - ETA 8hrs 39mins.
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mmm, probably £440. Other components such as RAM, SSD were re-used to keep costs right down and is why I went with Ubuntu too. If your an experienced system builder, it's important to have spare cables/screws to hand due to the nature of budget builds. I got the look I wanted but couldn't connect the top 140mm fan due to the short length of the cable and will get a few fan splitters. The replaced front 140mm fan is using a voltage stepdown cable. Overall it's very quiet and clean looking. Will post photo later when I get back.
On a side point, the CX 500w PSU cable connectors are flimsy as I found out carefully disconnecting the Sata cable as the top cracked right along the egde, going to contact Corsair or find better cables because I guarantee it will happen again no matter what I do. Nice PSU but let down by very poor fragile connectors.
Update: F@h client is now running 0xa4 core rather than 0xa3 and has increased the potential PPD. With 0xa3 the potential PPD I was seeing in client control was 28k and now running 0xa4 it's 44,547 PPD estimate; 5k credit and 600 base credit. ExtremeOC shows 11,976 for 1 WU. After a week of running FAHControl I should have a good idea of what to expect.
Log if your interested in the times - latest WU is much quicker taking only 2hours:
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Folding rig as it currently stands -no GPU since returns are too low on GT440 so popped a wireless adapter in the last PCI slot - took this photo last night:
Specs:-
CPU - Intel i5 3570K @4.8GHz, 1.3vcore - 64c avg/68c max full-load Folding with AS5 TIM and have not de-lidding yet
COOLER - Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU cooler - if your going to buy a cooler buy this beast providing your using low-profile RAM
RAM - 2x4GB DDR3 XMP v1.2 1866MHz @ 1.5v - will install another 2x4GB once I take cooling fins off again
MOBO - ASRock Z77 Extreme 4, Intel Z77 - feature packed and so easy to use
SSD - 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e - this is left-over from Corsair GTs upgrade
PSU - 500W Corsair Builder Series CX V2 - Sata connector broke on first use and need to contact Corsair regarding the flimsy plastic
CASE - Corsair Carbide 300R mid-tower case - can't fault this budget case but if I was to be really picky I could do with thicker side-panels since it's tricky getting it to slide back on
COOLING - 120mm stock-fan rear exhaust, Corsair AF140 front intake - using voltage stepdown, amazingly quiet
OS - Ubuntu x64 - installations was done in 5 minutes and booting up takes just 3 seconds which isn't important here
Other - Wireless adapter PCI 300Mbps, G15 keyboard+MX518 mouse (carried over), Sata-cables (unused/spare), spare Velcro and plastic cable-ties for pro-cable management, spare 2x screws for securing SSD.
Total spend on budget 24/7 dedi F@H rig approx £440, what's it worth to biology? Priceless
Q) I'm folding 24/7 on dedi rig and overnight some nights on gaming rig, is there a way to find out what the returns are on each PC without stopping a 100k+ PPD gaming rig seeing as kakaostats etc combines them?
Specs:-
CPU - Intel i5 3570K @4.8GHz, 1.3vcore - 64c avg/68c max full-load Folding with AS5 TIM and have not de-lidding yet
COOLER - Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU cooler - if your going to buy a cooler buy this beast providing your using low-profile RAM
RAM - 2x4GB DDR3 XMP v1.2 1866MHz @ 1.5v - will install another 2x4GB once I take cooling fins off again
MOBO - ASRock Z77 Extreme 4, Intel Z77 - feature packed and so easy to use
SSD - 120GB OCZ Vertex 2e - this is left-over from Corsair GTs upgrade
PSU - 500W Corsair Builder Series CX V2 - Sata connector broke on first use and need to contact Corsair regarding the flimsy plastic
CASE - Corsair Carbide 300R mid-tower case - can't fault this budget case but if I was to be really picky I could do with thicker side-panels since it's tricky getting it to slide back on
COOLING - 120mm stock-fan rear exhaust, Corsair AF140 front intake - using voltage stepdown, amazingly quiet
OS - Ubuntu x64 - installations was done in 5 minutes and booting up takes just 3 seconds which isn't important here
Other - Wireless adapter PCI 300Mbps, G15 keyboard+MX518 mouse (carried over), Sata-cables (unused/spare), spare Velcro and plastic cable-ties for pro-cable management, spare 2x screws for securing SSD.
Total spend on budget 24/7 dedi F@H rig approx £440, what's it worth to biology? Priceless
Q) I'm folding 24/7 on dedi rig and overnight some nights on gaming rig, is there a way to find out what the returns are on each PC without stopping a 100k+ PPD gaming rig seeing as kakaostats etc combines them?
HFM is what you need.
Thanks ozaudio
It's going in the cold spare room where no-one will see it 
Thanks, will give this guide a go then when I get a spare hour - learning something new everyday Folding
Good news I've checked the energy consumption of the whole system and it's only 125W! at 4.8GHz full-load running folding with all energy saving options disabled in the BIOS. I'm seeing daily returns of 58k for a measly 125W which isn't bad for someone starting Folding. [Note: the same energy monitor shows my system in sig consumes 540W]
ExtemeOC and Kakao stats:
Regarding HFM and fahmon on ubuntu, I've tried via many a 2 year old guides to aid the setup process and my head is spinning to get access to setup access to folding stats and is quite hard to get your head around. Basically requires inner workings of Linux language and copy n pasting code that returns errors and no matter what I do to troubleshoot my lack of understanding with Linux versus the simplicity of Windows plays on my mind.
I then gave up on remote stats and even thinking of ditching Linux if/when I may buy a GTX 660Ti for additional points but finding that hard to justify based on the returns. At the moment I like the relative quietness of the dedi - zero heat being exhausted of the system - the only noise I can hear is the Phanteks fans from a few yards away. I could spend £240 on the 660Ti (plus £80 for Win7 x64 SP1) for a pitful 16k PPD extra whilst consuming around 160W which is 100PPD per watt versus another £440 3570K dedi that returns 464 PPD per watt. After realising that, looks like GPUs for Folding are overrated.
I've checked the energy consumption of the whole system and it's only 125W! at 4.8GHz full-load running folding with all energy saving options disabled in the BIOS. I'm seeing daily returns of 58k for a measly 125W which isn't bad for someone starting Folding. [Note: the same energy monitor shows my system in sig consumes 540W]ExtemeOC and Kakao stats:
I then gave up on remote stats and even thinking of ditching Linux if/when I may buy a GTX 660Ti for additional points but finding that hard to justify based on the returns. At the moment I like the relative quietness of the dedi - zero heat being exhausted of the system - the only noise I can hear is the Phanteks fans from a few yards away. I could spend £240 on the 660Ti (plus £80 for Win7 x64 SP1) for a pitful 16k PPD extra whilst consuming around 160W which is 100PPD per watt versus another £440 3570K dedi that returns 464 PPD per watt. After realising that, looks like GPUs for Folding are overrated.
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I've got a document from somewhere on setting up Samba on Ubuntu for remote share access. It worked for me and I'm hopeless at Linux. Ping me a message via trust and I'll forward it to you.
I'd hope a 660 Ti would give more like 30k PPD than 16k as I get 25k from a 560 Ti.
I'd hope a 660 Ti would give more like 30k PPD than 16k as I get 25k from a 560 Ti.
Thanks Snapshot, Trust sent
That info on the GTX 660Ti was based over at other folding forums, that was the average PPD across several posted results. I read from other postings that the £200 GTX 560Ti with 448 cudas would be better but it consumes more power and is quite a bit hotter, and that was running under Windows and not Linux.
There isn't much data covering GPU PPD over the past 3 months that shows the recent driver improvements and took that figure as a reasonable estimate. I don't know 100% what PPD my GTX 680s are given me apart from the estimates showing 44k PPD:
That info on the GTX 660Ti was based over at other folding forums, that was the average PPD across several posted results. I read from other postings that the £200 GTX 560Ti with 448 cudas would be better but it consumes more power and is quite a bit hotter, and that was running under Windows and not Linux.
There isn't much data covering GPU PPD over the past 3 months that shows the recent driver improvements and took that figure as a reasonable estimate. I don't know 100% what PPD my GTX 680s are given me apart from the estimates showing 44k PPD:
Folding with more RAM?
I'll be getting a bunch of white braided cables on Monday to improve the aesthetics a little and will post an update soon after. Plus I ordered a total of 16GB Sammy Greens (+£65) simply because they clock faster what I already have, going from 1866MHz to 2400MHz+, and are very low profile for the Phanteks cooler.
Currently, the whole system with Folding running is using 800MB of RAM from a total of 8GB using SMP which is surprisingly low. Is there anything else I can do to make the most of the excess RAM that will become available to set aside for Folding and hopefully more points, thanks?
I'll be getting a bunch of white braided cables on Monday to improve the aesthetics a little and will post an update soon after. Plus I ordered a total of 16GB Sammy Greens (+£65) simply because they clock faster what I already have, going from 1866MHz to 2400MHz+, and are very low profile for the Phanteks cooler.
Currently, the whole system with Folding running is using 800MB of RAM from a total of 8GB using SMP which is surprisingly low. Is there anything else I can do to make the most of the excess RAM that will become available to set aside for Folding and hopefully more points, thanks?
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I believe it just needs to be fast