To extremist muslims

Guybrush said:
Fan of A Perfect Circle are we?

Nicking lyrics from songs for use in a debate... now I've seen it all :rolleyes:

lol, so what? :p I like those lyrics, and I thought they fitted perfectly with my end statement for mr VIRII...

You really have seen it all now then.
 
Slinwagh said:
Can you clarify what you mean please?
I was hinting at my utter disbelief that you appear to deem it appropriate that (approx.) 1,370,285,759 people condemn the actions of a single individual, and furthermore that if this apparent requirement is not met, all of them are condoning this individual's actions?
 
Al Vallario said:
I was hinting at my utter disbelief that you appear to deem it appropriate that (approx.) 1,370,285,759 people condemn the actions of a single individual, and furthermore that if this apparent requirement is not met, all of them are condoning this individual's actions?

I don't think I said "all" muslims and therefore i didn't say that all muslims supported the actions of the minority.

As for the "single individual" we both know for example Al Qaeda are a global organisation commiting acts in the name of muslims.
 
Yes, and we all know that AlQuadea have also been sponsored by the CIA for many years and now that they are no longer needed...Scapegoat?

We also know that the Bush's and the Bin-Ladens are very close friends and they own a lot of businesses between themselves... Funnily enough... OIL!!! - now thats a surprise!

They are such close friends that the US actually transported the entire family of the BinLadens from the US just before the 9/11 attacks... Wow, that was such an amazing coincidence that wasnt it? - marvelous luck that.

Obviously, I dont know the whole facts, but a lor of people here have mentioned the 9/11 and the 7/7 attacks, I find both these attacks very interesting. Not so much the last lot they caught out where the bags had all failed to go off, and the stuff leaked out, thats certainly thought provoking, but more of that the way the trains blew up! - the explosion MUST have come from UNDERNEATH the trains, not on board them. Im no bomb expert, however, I am more inclined to beleive those experts who have come forward and then magically they are no longer heard, and some other expert comes along and says something else... Im more likely to go for the original story.

The poor brazilian guy - that whole story stinks to hell and back. WTF are the police doing pumping 11 bullets into a guys head??? - that reeks to hell and back.

As for 9/11, the whole thign has been proven and disproven by many many people, some are officicals some are not, some are anti-US some are not, there is a million different videos out there, each with their own ideas and accounts on what actually happened, or could have happened... I dont pretend to know the facts on this one, and so I have gone and got myslf not one, not two, but 17 ( yes, Seventeen ) different videos all about the 9/11 attacks and I have coem to the conclusion, that the ones that say its terrorist, simply have their head up their "R"s - you got to look at the whoel picture on this one, check out some of the interviews. not the silly little snippets in a few of them, but the full interviews ( Magically removed from various download sites by the US Government ). You got to also look at certain seriously flawed facts too! - such as why is it that the BBC have interviewed 7 of these so-called terrorists AFTER the 9/11 attack??? - I have 4 of these interviews, and I have no doubt that they are or have been involved in some sneaky plots against certain individuals / official bodies / whatever, but come on! - the US governments official statement directly involves these people are the people in the planes that hit the towers, and yet there they are, alive and well being interviewed by the BBC?? WTF?

The names of the 19 terrorists were found in a wallet that came from the towers? - they had that one magically on film, where a police officer found it among the debris? - Get stuffed. All that came down, was totally dissintergrated, and yet a single wallet was found, complete with the names of the 19 all nice and completely intact? - pull the other one.
Whats even more worse, is that even though they showed the video of the police officer finding the wallet, later on, they said that they found it at some motel? - where next?

Funnily enough though, it must be true, because they also found a terrorist manual?? - These people must really think that we are THAT stupid... Oh hang on... We still think its terrorists, so we must be?

Like I said, I have 17 of these videos... A small number of them that are actually out there, and they all seem to have their own ideas on what went on, some try to prove the others are wrong, some disproving the ones that disprove the others and so on... They are all giving their own ideas as I said, so we really need to look at ALL the evidence and make up our own minds, based on ALL of whats on the whole table, and not just whats in front of you.

Come on guys, something is seriously flawed here.
 
bringerofdecay said:
yes, and while their at it they should apologise for making our retarded govt. bend over backwards to worship them as our new masters...ffs, their great great grandparents were my great great grandparents SLAVES, and now they are our overlords :(

I think you're talking out your arse.

Go read up on the colonization of India and the African slave trade. The Arabs were just as bad as the Europeans and Americans for using slaves, if not worse. They were not slaves themselves. I think you're confusing the exploitation of India (see East India Company) and imperial rule with slavery.

Unless of course, you'd care to enlighten me? Or are you referring to African-Muslims?
 
Efour2 said:
Do you do anything but personally attack people when they have a different opinion on something other than yours ?

How do you manage to get away with it and not get suspended or do you now and then? serious question btw, try not to answer with the usual stuff.
Answers are:
a) Occasionally
b) Yes.

To get some insight into this guy's mindset, you might like to have a look at the topmost thread in Speakers corner (Speakers corner crackdown) - some edited extracts appear below to give a flavour.

Some time ago, someone was asked how the "Man of Honour" classification was awarded; I didn't see any reply. However in this case, I suspect that it may be based on the frequency of RTMs submitted :confused:

As has been said elsewhere on this forum from time to time "That's life, you just have to learn to live with it" ;)

[post=115]Virii:[/post] I have RTM'd hundreds of content free one liners filled with venom and sarcasm . . .
[post=117]Virii:[/post] No doubt I'll get another email threatening suspension from you or from someone higher up the food chain that you rope in to "deal" with my concerns over your moderating . . .
[post=120]Virii:[/post] That is a lie. An outright lie. I was suspended once by Balddog . . .
[post=121]Dolph:[/post] Ok, if you say so. You obviously have your memory and opinion of various situations, just as I have mine. With regards to your criticism of my moderation, can I remind you of the forum rules, and with that I'll congratulate you on getting another thread closed with your disregard for them.

Incidentally, I believe that Dolph is no longer a Don - I wonder why?
 
Justintime said:
Theres a few of us who're brown and don't originate from Asia, such as myself, we come from other places such as the Caribbean from places like Trinidad etc.. and most of us aren't particularly religous or of the Islamic persuasion. Theres also a lot of dudes from India etc.. who're Sikh or Hindi etc.. and don't appreciate the climate the idiots from your religion are creating for us.

My little requests: Stop whinging about every little cartoon or word about your religion, other religions take a bashing and don't exactly blow themselves up or kill nuns etc.. to prove their distaste. Stop trying to impose YOUR will and law in a country that was NOT founded by your forefathers, try to co-exist and live peacefully under the laws of THIS countries forefathers. Keep your hate filled hook handed blind arsed clerics out of this country, people only hate you more and more when they start up, and on the same note, if you hate the country then STOP taking benefits from it, they tax my backside to pay for you. Yea, you guys got a little beef, and with the great USA involved in their war for oil your beef is kinda legit, but please, keep it out of this country, we got a puppet leader it ain't our fault. Back on the 'we're perpetually offended' bit, for god sakes, take it like men on the chin and just realize that everyone and everything is discriminated in some way, no matter race, sex or whatever and the actions of your finest haven't exactly given a positive image to your religion so far. also, the imposing of barbaric and sexist etc.. customs on your women and children in THIS society has got to end, YOU chose to come here and when they were born here they were born citizens of THIS country, not yours and thus have freedoms and rights and western customs that might shock and offend you but remember, YOU chose to come here. In closing, i think i speak for a lot of brown guys when i say "i long for the day i can go on a Bus or train and not get at least one second glance from someone cause of my colour and looks", and its all because of YOU people and your whacked religion. I don't agree with CBS etc. on a lot of things but Islam is running out of control in this country and growing a bit too big for my liking.
What a superb post.
 
FatRakoon said:
Yes, and we all know that AlQuadea have also been sponsored by the CIA for many years and now that they are no longer needed...Scapegoat?

We also know that the Bush's and the Bin-Ladens are very close friends and they own a lot of businesses between themselves... Funnily enough... OIL!!! - now thats a surprise!

They are such close friends that the US actually transported the entire family of the BinLadens from the US just before the 9/11 attacks... Wow, that was such an amazing coincidence that wasnt it? - marvelous luck that.

Obviously, I dont know the whole facts, but a lor of people here have mentioned the 9/11 and the 7/7 attacks, I find both these attacks very interesting. Not so much the last lot they caught out where the bags had all failed to go off, and the stuff leaked out, thats certainly thought provoking, but more of that the way the trains blew up! - the explosion MUST have come from UNDERNEATH the trains, not on board them. Im no bomb expert, however, I am more inclined to beleive those experts who have come forward and then magically they are no longer heard, and some other expert comes along and says something else... Im more likely to go for the original story.

The poor brazilian guy - that whole story stinks to hell and back. WTF are the police doing pumping 11 bullets into a guys head??? - that reeks to hell and back.

As for 9/11, the whole thign has been proven and disproven by many many people, some are officicals some are not, some are anti-US some are not, there is a million different videos out there, each with their own ideas and accounts on what actually happened, or could have happened... I dont pretend to know the facts on this one, and so I have gone and got myslf not one, not two, but 17 ( yes, Seventeen ) different videos all about the 9/11 attacks and I have coem to the conclusion, that the ones that say its terrorist, simply have their head up their "R"s - you got to look at the whoel picture on this one, check out some of the interviews. not the silly little snippets in a few of them, but the full interviews ( Magically removed from various download sites by the US Government ). You got to also look at certain seriously flawed facts too! - such as why is it that the BBC have interviewed 7 of these so-called terrorists AFTER the 9/11 attack??? - I have 4 of these interviews, and I have no doubt that they are or have been involved in some sneaky plots against certain individuals / official bodies / whatever, but come on! - the US governments official statement directly involves these people are the people in the planes that hit the towers, and yet there they are, alive and well being interviewed by the BBC?? WTF?

The names of the 19 terrorists were found in a wallet that came from the towers? - they had that one magically on film, where a police officer found it among the debris? - Get stuffed. All that came down, was totally dissintergrated, and yet a single wallet was found, complete with the names of the 19 all nice and completely intact? - pull the other one.
Whats even more worse, is that even though they showed the video of the police officer finding the wallet, later on, they said that they found it at some motel? - where next?

Funnily enough though, it must be true, because they also found a terrorist manual?? - These people must really think that we are THAT stupid... Oh hang on... We still think its terrorists, so we must be?

Like I said, I have 17 of these videos... A small number of them that are actually out there, and they all seem to have their own ideas on what went on, some try to prove the others are wrong, some disproving the ones that disprove the others and so on... They are all giving their own ideas as I said, so we really need to look at ALL the evidence and make up our own minds, based on ALL of whats on the whole table, and not just whats in front of you.

Come on guys, something is seriously flawed here.
FR for pres :D
 
Efour2 said:
Do you do anything but personally attack people when they have a different opinion on something other than yours ?

How do you manage to get away with it and not get suspended or do you now and then? serious question btw , try not to answer with the usual. stuff.
I respond in kind :)
If you talk rudely to me don't expect a polite reply, if you then whine about it like a slapped bitch it is hardly going to bother me.
 
I really don't feel comfortable with the strong myopic views that most of the posters here are expressing.

Yes, Islam can be a PITA but, and we've gone over this a thousand times before - it is not representative of every muslim.

Okay, this thread is targetted at 'extremists', but many posters seem to be unable to see the difference between a normal, law abiding muslim and the extremists.

I currently live with two muslims who are from N. Lebanon at the moment. They truely are a couple of very nice, caring people. I've had long conversations with them over politics, the recent Hezbollah / Israel incident and even answered questions of how muslims are percieved here.

One of my flatmate's actually told me how shocked he was when he got the train from London at the sheer numbers of 'foreign' people he saw.

I wonder if it would surprise some posters to know that they're just as sick of the extremists screwing up everything as people who incidently probably haven't ever had any direct issue. They've described to me in detail the different mindset that extremists seem to have and in their own words "They're not human" or "They're backwards, I swear."

There are muslims who just want to live their life peacefully and tarring everyone with the same brush is a little juvenile, don't you agree? It seems to me that most people just like a good e-lynching wherever they can find it.

How is this pathetic excuse of a thread going to solve anything?

/Rant.
 
Al Vallario said:
I was hinting at my utter disbelief that you appear to deem it appropriate that (approx.) 1,370,285,759 people condemn the actions of a single individual, and furthermore that if this apparent requirement is not met, all of them are condoning this individual's actions?
Are you sure that number is accurate? Some might have died and you need to delete the ones who blow themselves up too.
 
FatRakoon said:
Yes, and we all know that AlQuadea have also been sponsored by the CIA for many years and now that they are no longer needed...Scapegoat?
Scapegoat for what exactly? They were not an issue until they decided to attack the west were they.
FatRakoon said:
We also know that the Bush's and the Bin-Ladens are very close friends and they own a lot of businesses between themselves... Funnily enough... OIL!!! - now thats a surprise!
So what? Osama was hardly the favoured son now was he and the bin ladens are not a small family either. What exactly are you trying to say?
FatRakoon said:
They are such close friends that the US actually transported the entire family of the BinLadens from the US just before the 9/11 attacks... Wow, that was such an amazing coincidence that wasnt it? - marvelous luck that.
Reputable *sauce*? Was the *entire* family living in the US then, or were they visiting or what.......
FatRakoon said:
Obviously, I dont know the whole facts, but a lor of people here have mentioned the 9/11 and the 7/7 attacks, I find both these attacks very interesting. Not so much the last lot they caught out where the bags had all failed to go off, and the stuff leaked out, thats certainly thought provoking, but more of that the way the trains blew up! - the explosion MUST have come from UNDERNEATH the trains, not on board them.
Based on what one person said? Is that your entire evidence? Seriously? Because I heard from someone I know who was on the train that aliens did it for real yeah!
FatRakoon said:
Im no bomb expert, however, I am more inclined to beleive those experts who have come forward and then magically they are no longer heard, and some other expert comes along and says something else... Im more likely to go for the original story.[/quotes] What experts would these be? The one chap who is a dancer or something saying he thinks that the floor was ripped up?
FatRakoon said:
The poor brazilian guy - that whole story stinks to hell and back. WTF are the police doing pumping 11 bullets into a guys head??? - that reeks to hell and back.
Why does it reek to hell and back? Would it reek if they used 4 bullets? How many is the exact right number? How many would you use to execute someone in the heat of the moment? I usually use 9 but then that's a full clip, if it had more I'd use more....
FatRakoon said:
As for 9/11, the whole thign has been proven and disproven by many many people, some are officicals some are not, some are anti-US some are not, there is a million different videos out there, each with their own ideas and accounts on what actually happened, or could have happened... I dont pretend to know the facts on this one, and so I have gone and got myslf not one, not two, but 17 ( yes, Seventeen ) different videos all about the 9/11 attacks and I have coem to the conclusion, that the ones that say its terrorist, simply have their head up their "R"s - you got to look at the whoel picture on this one, check out some of the interviews. not the silly little snippets in a few of them, but the full interviews ( Magically removed from various download sites by the US Government ).
What full facts? Didn't planes hit the WTC then? Where they really just CGI'd after?
FatRakoon said:
You got to also look at certain seriously flawed facts too! - such as why is it that the BBC have interviewed 7 of these so-called terrorists AFTER the 9/11 attack??? - I have 4 of these interviews, and I have no doubt that they are or have been involved in some sneaky plots against certain individuals / official bodies / whatever, but come on! - the US governments official statement directly involves these people are the people in the planes that hit the towers, and yet there they are, alive and well being interviewed by the BBC?? WTF?
sauce? BBC sauce :)
FatRakoon said:
The names of the 19 terrorists were found in a wallet that came from the towers? - they had that one magically on film, where a police officer found it among the debris? - Get stuffed. All that came down, was totally dissintergrated, and yet a single wallet was found, complete with the names of the 19 all nice and completely intact? - pull the other one.
Whats even more worse, is that even though they showed the video of the police officer finding the wallet, later on, they said that they found it at some motel? - where next?
sauce..... and more sauce? I actually planted the wallet there after I took it off a hijacker on the plane, then jumped out minutes before impact, landed in a swimming pool (lucky or what) and then planted it and tipped the copper off where to look..... yeah man...
FatRakoon said:
Funnily enough though, it must be true, because they also found a terrorist manual?? - These people must really think that we are THAT stupid... Oh hang on... We still think its terrorists, so we must be?
You mean people are pulling your chain and filling you full of nonsense and you believe it.
FatRakoon said:
Like I said, I have 17 of these videos... A small number of them that are actually out there, and they all seem to have their own ideas on what went on, some try to prove the others are wrong, some disproving the ones that disprove the others and so on... They are all giving their own ideas as I said, so we really need to look at ALL the evidence and make up our own minds, based on ALL of whats on the whole table, and not just whats in front of you.
Mmmmmm we should trust the guy with 17 videos.... he's clearly not a fruitcake.
FatRakoon said:
Come on guys, something is seriously flawed here.
Yup, it would be your post I think.
 
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Yes, and we all know that AlQuadea have also been sponsored by the CIA for many years and now that they are no longer needed...Scapegoat?

So what? That was years ago and what has happened recently is nothing to do with sponsoring. Its like a dog turning on its owner.

They are such close friends that the US actually transported the entire family of the BinLadens from the US just before the 9/11 attacks... Wow, that was such an amazing coincidence that wasnt it? - marvelous luck that.

It was after.
Even that fat famous documentary maker said so in his best selling documentary that I've forgot the name of because it was so crap.


Im no bomb expert,

You don't say

that the ones that say its terrorist, simply have their head up their "R"s

Funny how Al Queda even say its them who did it and use it has a glorious victory.
Never figured out why they would claim it has theirs.
(Yes originally Bin Bag said it wasn't them but soon changed)

Come on guys, something is seriously flawed here

Your logic
 
Shackley said:
Answers are:
a) Occasionally
b) Yes.

To get some insight into this guy's mindset, you might like to have a look at the topmost thread in Speakers corner (Speakers corner crackdown) - some edited extracts appear below to give a flavour.

Some time ago, someone was asked how the "Man of Honour" classification was awarded; I didn't see any reply. However in this case, I suspect that it may be based on the frequency of RTMs submitted :confused:

As has been said elsewhere on this forum from time to time "That's life, you just have to learn to live with it" ;)



Incidentally, I believe that Dolph is no longer a Don - I wonder why?
LOL.
What a muppet :)
At that point I had only ever RTM'd Visage and I was a MOH long before that.
I RTM more now, I had never submitted an RTM before I was MOH.
Dolph stood down as a Don, that is his choice. If he did it because I criticised him then he's a weaker person than I took him for. Why don't you ask him *why* he stood down, that is the only way you'll know for sure.

So I guess shackley that your post is inaccurate and entirely incorrect. No major change there then :D
 
Nix said:
Okay, this thread is targetted at 'extremists', but many posters seem to be unable to see the difference between a normal, law abiding muslim and the extremists.

That's because there is no clear line and often Muslims see no distinction either. Merely days ago extremists were arrested and now Muslims en mass are claiming discrimination and that they are all being targeted by terror laws.

Muslims will claim to be totally individual any time their group is accused of anything, yet stick to their own, identify with their own and are willing to make sweeping generalisations about themselves when they think it will get them somewhere
 
Nix said:
I really don't feel comfortable with the strong myopic views that most of the posters here are expressing.
Care to elaborate? What myopic views and expressed by whom? Perhaps you could tell us what the myopic view is, why it is myopic and who is expressing it. Otherwise it all seems a little vague and airy fairy.
 
cleanbluesky said:
That's because there is no clear line and often Muslims see no distinction either. Merely days ago extremists were arrested and now Muslims en mass are claiming discrimination and that they are all being targeted by terror laws.

Muslims will claim to be totally individual any time their group is accused of anything, yet stick to their own, identify with their own and are willing to make sweeping generalisations about themselves [Muslims] when they think it will get them somewhere

And that isn't true of half the people in these threads?

I haven't got the patience for another one of these threads, I'll leave you kids to it.
 
VIRII said:
Care to elaborate? What myopic views and expressed by whom? Perhaps you could tell us what the myopic view is, why it is myopic and who is expressing it. Otherwise it all seems a little vague and airy fairy.

I'm disappointed in you VIRII, it's pretty obvious what the myopic views I'm referring to are and I really haven't got the time or the inclination to trawl through this dribble to point out every single example of it.

CBS, you're an intelligent bloke, surely you should be objective enough to realise how idiotic stereotypes are by now.

Like I said, I've got a distinct lack of patience, not on this issue as some of it does hold water, but the same individuals expressing the same prejudices is nothing short of tiresome!

If you lot want to keep creating non-issues or outright warped logic in a ridiculously biggotted fashion, go ahead, it's your own time your wasting. I've got better ways to spend my Saturday.

I look foreward to 'To extremist muslims Mk II' in a month or so. Exciting.
 
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FatRakoon said:
The poor brazilian guy - that whole story stinks to hell and back. WTF are the police doing pumping 11 bullets into a guys head??? - that reeks to hell and back.

Lets put aside the the tradgedy of his death for one minute.

What happened on that train was an approved method of stopping a suicide bomber. The method is to stop the bomber moving so he can't detonate a device.

This is done by physically holding the "bomber" on the floor restricting the use of his hand to detonate the device, the device can also be triggered by pressure sensors on various parts of the body.

The gun is then placed on the "bombers" and he is repeatedly shot until he is dead, no chances are taken that he can detonate the device.

The other method is to get stop the bomber in an open space and place him under gunpoint from a safe distance and get him to undress, officers then move in and assess the device, should there be any idication that the device is to be detonated the same procedure above is carried out

I know this be fact, both of these methods have been taught to our varoius polices forces and security agencies by Israel.

For the record I know he was not a suicide bomber I am merely illustrating the procedure.
 
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