£4000-5000 to spend on new pc's.

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Hello all,
While for the past 8 years at least i've been slowly upgrading pc's for me and my wife (we both love games) My mother is giving us £5000 to spend on basically rebuilding our entertainment and computer systems.

I found out about overclockers about 7 months ago, we live in shelton so any parts I need its very handy I can just pop over and buy them and apart from an issue with a lcd monitor which isn't OC's fault I am perfectly happy to buy all my bits and pieces from them.

Now my wife is disabled and I am her primary carer, most of the time i've hadto strictly budget upgrades, in a tier system, buy a new graphics card or memory and bits that come out go into the other house pc's, I think a lot of us do that.

The computers and games are trully our escape and window on the world so I can't really afford to make any mistakes on this build.

Now apart from about £1000 set aside for a nice plasma 42" samsung and 2 good quality lumbar support office chairs (tesco direct), the money in theory is all for spending at overclockers to build/buy two complete machines.

I know you can't really future proof a pc but i'm looking to buy motherboard etc that has a lot of upgrade potential and stability.

Theses are my ideas but please feel free to offer opinions and suggestions.

Firstly the parts i'm certain about unless someone comes up with a really good reason not too:)

Mine and wifes pc will be different due too the simple fact I push my machine more, i'm more likely to throw new games at max settings into it and scream for more performance.

Case:
NZXT Hush Classic Series Silent Computer Chassis - Black, both of us love the look of this case and like its sound dampening plus its a really good price.

Addon card:
OcUK Ageia PhysX Accelerator - OEM, now a lot of people see these as a waste of money but two games we love support it and 4 games that are coming out will utilize it, so its really personal choice on that (i've tried City of villains mayhem missions on a friends pc who has one in and the experience is atleast 10x more fun).

Wifes sound card:
She doesn't listen to much music just games and sound isn't as important to her as me so Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio 7.1 Sound Card - OEM (PCI)

Now me i'm fully into the game sound experience and having tried the razer setup I'm sold on it, so for my system:
Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming 7.1 Sound Card - Retail
Razer Barracuda HP-1 Gaming Headset

Hard drive:
Now i've been using hitachi for awhile and am very happy with the quietness and speed of the drives so its pretty much a no brainer especially considering the price:
Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache.

Power supply:
I've been reading up and have decide on:
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant

So there you have the "pretty certain" unless someone convinces me its lemon season and I just bought a whole cart load.

As for cpu's I am sticking with intel (a year ago I crossed all the pc's over a 6 month period from amd to intel)
As I said Wifes machine won't be used as intensive as mine so for hers I thought:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 "LGA775 Conroe" 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail
or
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
(I know the boost for games at the moment are not much but would it be best to go the quad for future?)

For me well this amount of money is a once in a life time event and even though its hugely expensive I am so tempted to go for the.
Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme Edition QX6850 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail


Motherboard, I really have no idea, I want to go either crossfire or sli.
There is so many motherboards out there I'm pretty lost, all I know is I want it stable, overclockable and able to be upgraded via cpu etc in the future.

If i went nvidia
2x 320mb 8800 gts's for wife
2x 786mb 8800 gtx's for me.

If ati
4x 2900's xt 512mb

BUT I have concerns about the loudness of the ati's and the amount of power they draw.

These pc's are center stage in the livingroom so its got to be a quiet setup.

Memory: really it depends on the motherboard.
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-8500 1066MHz SLI-Ready Edition Dual Channel DDR2
or
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Kit
or if the board is ddr3 then I know its more expensive.

Operating system ?
Wife has windows home premium vista 32bit
I need to purchase mine which will either be home premium 32 or 64bit.

My other question is specific todo with lcd's so will put that in that section, thankyou for reading all of this and for any replies, im in no rush to buy this, going to take atleast a month to make sure everything is right.

I'm not really interested in waiting for the next big thing the 8900's and 45's because the headaches and huge price tag that always come along with them.
 
X2950pro cards are the same as the x2900xt just clocked lower (easily solved) and will save you £200 on 4. With the money saved you could buy 4x http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-032-ZA to keep them quiet.

Ram, just get the Geil or OCZ 800mhz... unless you're gonna be overclocking a lot anything more is wasted money.

Do not buy an 'Extreme' CPU, they're a complete waste of money. Same goes for the 6850, get the q6600 or a lower end dual core and overclock a little.

Razer headset... I really wouldn't personally, see if you can try out some Sennheiser HD555 or HD595. The 555s are cheaper and I have found them to be far superior sound, build quality and comfort wise to the Razer headset that I tried.

I also wouldn't get the NXT case, they're not very big and cooling isn't all that brilliant. The sound deadening is just foam that you can buy separately and has little effect. Lian Li, Akasa, Silverstone are where I would be looking. I would also recommend Yate Loon case fans.
 
Raikiri pretty much hit the nail on the head there :)
*only* having 2 gig of ram in those systems seems a bit low end with the spec of the rest of the hardware aswell.
 
X2950pro cards are the same as the x2900xt just clocked lower (easily solved) and will save you £200 on 4. With the money saved you could buy 4x http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-032-ZA to keep them quiet.

Ram, just get the Geil or OCZ 800mhz... unless you're gonna be overclocking a lot anything more is wasted money.

Do not buy an 'Extreme' CPU, they're a complete waste of money. Same goes for the 6850, get the q6600 or a lower end dual core and overclock a little.

Razer headset... I really wouldn't personally, see if you can try out some Sennheiser HD555 or HD595. The 555s are cheaper and I have found them to be far superior sound, build quality and comfort wise to the Razer headset that I tried.

I also wouldn't get the NXT case, they're not very big and cooling isn't all that brilliant. The sound deadening is just foam that you can buy separately and has little effect. Lian Li, Akasa, Silverstone are where I would be looking. I would also recommend Yate Loon case fans.

I know the 'Extreme' is a little extreme :), but doesn't the 1333fsb and unlocked multiplier mean I can take it far higher in the future than I could a q6600, im not saying now, im saying in 6 months time.
Same with the e6850, both these cpu's as is without any kind of overclocking should eat any game for breakfast.
While i'm not against overclocking, i'd like this system to run everything as of now without overclocking and the option to overclock both the cpu and memory in the future to further its longlevity.
I'm not shooting down your suggestions i'm just trying to learn a little more.

As for case, i'll look into the different cases on the site, anyone got any favourites seen as you know what i'll be putting into them.

The memory
So you think 4 gb of this
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz SLI-Ready Edition Low Latency Dual Channel DDR2 (OCZ2N800SR2GK)
per machine would be better? thats fine Its really good price anyway.

I haven't been able to see any 2950's anywhere but could I go for
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
Then buy the different fans/heatsinks
Although would that destroy the warranty ?
 
I haven't been able to see any 2950's anywhere but could I go for
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
Then buy the different fans/heatsinks
Although would that destroy the warranty ?

Sorry, I meant 2900 pro... they're on this site for £176. They also have the same stock heatsink as the 'silent' 2900XTs, however it isn't silent. Replacing it would void the warranty but simply putting the stock one back on would solve this issue if they ever did break.

Cases: Lian Li v+ series, PC7, A16, A05 (nice and small/discreet with a lot of space), Akasa Eclipse and some of the higher end Silverstones although they're expensive.

CPU wise a q6600 would be fine for pretty much anything now and the G0 stepping CPUs are doing 3.2ghz+ on very quiet air cooling with no problem. Benjo on here has one at 3.5ghz with a Scythe Ninja and 1200rpm Scythe fan.

Memeory seems fine :)
 
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So we are now edging towards ATI 2900 pro's which saves a lot of money.
plus lets say go for the Q6600's which also saves a lot of money :).

I am use to using
Arctic silver paste and Archtic cooling Freezer 7 pro, will these be good enough for the Q6600's ?

Now its time to look at motherboards but first I haveto run over to tesco to buy some food lol.
 
They are good enough however there are much better coolers now which will allow you to run larger fans at lower speeds to keep noise down and will have better temps. The Thermalright Ultra Extreme (£34 on this week only) plus a Yate Loon 120mm fan at around £4 would be ideal.

Make sure you get the G0 stepping of the Q6600s as they run cooler, use less power and overclock better.
 
Since both into gaming I'd go for similar rigs, i.e. same mobo & GFX. Makes it easier to setup & troubleshoot ;)
 
with the budget I'd be going for 2 8800GTXs, Q6600 and probably a swiftech micro watercooling kit to keep it all quiet, if you haven't seen them take a look.. very easy watercooling right out of the box.
 
Now apart from about £1000 set aside for a nice plasma 42" samsung

I would consider a 1080p LCD rather than a plasma if you're going to use it with a PC.

GFX card would have to be a 8800GTX, if you go for "Extreme" this and "Ultra" that you we just waste loads of cash with very little to show for it in real world improvement.

A nice overclocked Q6600 will cut the mustard for years to come.

To be honest one of these would be great:-

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-005-OC

very similar to the spec's of my rig and all built for you.

I've always hated Crossfire and SLI, just buy the fastest single card you can, save the money you'd waste on dual cards to buy the "latest and greatest" when it comes out. Put the money you'll save towards a nice holiday or some other treat, OK you could drop 4/5K but honestly it would just be a waste, I love PC's but that's just too much money ;)

I wouldn't want to use a 42" LCD as my only display, for my money I'd have 2 x Dell 2407 + a nice 42" LDC 1080p, that would be yummy.
 
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2 8800s and a dell 30"? you could get the 30" with the saving on not getting an extreme cpu!

DO NOT buy a decent system then pair it up with a normal plasma, 1366x768 would be a total waste.
 
This is what dual 2407's would look like:-

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This is night time picture with my Projector going as well.

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I'm want a 42" (or large) LCD to go above the 2 x Dell's 2407's, that would be sweet.

DO NOT buy a decent system then pair it up with a normal plasma, 1366x768 would be a total waste.

I agree 110% with that.

What ever you get don't forget to post pic's :)

I would say:-

Samsung PS50P96FDX 50" Full HD 1080p Freeview Plasma TV £1,492.24
Ultima OC 8800GTX" Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.40GHz @ X6950+ 3.40GHz+ Quad Core SILENT DDR2 System £1,227.88
2x Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey £869.48
OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) £299.61

Total = £3,889.20 inc VAT

would be pretty damn nice.
 
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What do you think about setup below?
Most people on this forum will agree that going sli is a waste of money. So the setup below is for both computers at.
The q6600 is easily oc to speeds in excess of the Q6850 and the system should be furure proof if something like that excists.



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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£159.99
(£187.99)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£319.98
(£375.98)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Asus P5K WS Intel P35 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£129.99
(£152.74)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£259.98
(£305.48)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming 7.1 Sound Card - Retail[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£119.99
(£140.99)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£119.99
(£140.99)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - OEM[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£254.99
(£299.61)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£509.98
(£599.22)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-620HXUK)[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£79.99
(£93.99)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£159.98
(£187.98)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Dual Channel Kit (BL2KIT12864AA1065)[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£94.99
(£111.61)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£189.98
(£223.22)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer 7.1 Sound Card - Retail[/FONT]
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(£58.74)
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(£23.49)
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(£46.98)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']NZXT Hush Classic Series Silent Computer Chassis - Black[/FONT]
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(£63.44)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£107.98
(£126.88)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']OcUK Ageia PhysX Accelerator - OEM[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£69.99
(£82.24)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£139.98
(£164.48)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP-HC 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey[/FONT]
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(£446.49)
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(£892.98)
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(£70.49)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Enermax Aurora Brushed Aluminium Keyboard - Black[/FONT]
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(£46.99)
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(£93.98)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']Logitech MX Revolution Advanced Cordless Mouse - Retail[/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£41.99
(£49.34)
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(£98.68)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£3,301.69[/FONT]
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City Link Parcel Next Day (Delivered Mon-Fri)
(This can be changed during checkout)
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[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']£54.95[/FONT]
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+ Zalman CNPS9700-NT nVidia Tritium CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/LGA775) x2 comes to 88 pounds more.
 
What is your obsession with the 9700 coolers? :p

Sharkoon Silent Eagle 1000 120mm Fan - 3/4 Pin £6.99
(£8.21)
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail £149.99
(£176.24)
Asus P5N32-E PLUS SLi nForce (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £99.99
(£117.49)
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz SLI-Ready Edition Low Latency Dual Channel DDR2 (OCZ2N800SR2GK) £99.98
(£117.48)
OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - OEM £509.98
(£599.22)
Samsung SpinPoint T 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (HD501LJ) £119.98
(£140.98)
Samsung SH-S203BEBN 20x20 DVD±RW Dual Layer Serial ATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
(£19.96)
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler (Socket AM2/LGA775) 06) £28.99
(£34.06)
Corsair HX 620W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-620HXUK) £79.99
(£93.99)
Lian Li PC-A16B Aluminium Full-Tower - Black £79.99
(£93.99)
Sub Total : £1,192.87
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
City Link Parcel Next Day (Delivered Mon-Fri)
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £14.95
VAT is being charged at 17.5% VAT : £211.37
Total : £1,419.19

That's what I would go for, maybe the Antec Quattro 850w PSU, just to be on the safe side if overclocking.
 
How about...
  • Tuniq Tower 120 CPU Cooler (Socket 478/754/939/940/AM2/LGA775) £27.99
  • GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GX22GB6400UDC) £44.99
  • Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail £159.99
  • Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro SILENT Heatpipe 512MB GDDR3 VIVO TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (21119-00-40R) £149.99
  • Abit IP35 Pro (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard £114.99
  • Corsair HX 520W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CMPSU-520HXUK) £57.99
  • Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (WD5000AAKS) x2 £127.98
  • Samsung SH-S203BEBN 20x20 DVD±RW Dual Layer Serial ATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
  • Antec P182 Super Midi Tower Case - No PSU (Gun Metal Black) £69.99
  • Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series 7.1 Sound Card - Retail £76.99
  • Sub Total : £847.89
  • Shipping : £12.95
  • VAT : £150.65
  • Total : £1,011.49
Maybe for your rig get some RAM that will achieve a higher/better OC :)
 
Firstly the plasma is for tv pairing it up with my xbox 360 and sky hd, im against lcd's atm because of dead pixel issues as in if your unlucky enough to get a dead pixel unless you have 5-7 of them manufacturers of most won't replace.

To me that is totally unacceptable, I bought 2 Asus Vw192s's 19" and they were awesome but one had a full on bright pixel (software didn't fix it) and a partial dead pixel, and can't return it as faulty.

What is a "go" Q6600 i don't see it listed.

I like the OCuk ultimate rigs but i'm so use to building my own :)
 
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I've had 5 lcds now ranging from a samsung 151S about 5 years ago then a sammy 181t, a 26" dell tv, 2 budget laptops and none have had dead pixels, i would be too worried!
 
Firstly the plasma is for tv pairing it up with my xbox 360 and sky hd, im against lcd's atm because of dead pixel issues as in if your unlucky enough to get a dead pixel unless you have 5-7 of them manufacturers of most won't replace.

To me that is totally unacceptable, I bought 2 Asus Vw192s's 19" and they were awesome but one had a full on bright pixel (software didn't fix it) and a partial dead pixel, and can't return it as faulty.

What is a "go" Q6600 i don't see it listed.

I like the OCuk ultimate rigs but i'm so use to building my own :)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN < G0 Stepping rather than the cheaper/hotter B3.

As for the LCD TVs I wouldn't worry, you're very unlikely to get a dead pixel on a TV now.
 
There just good coolers, and very nice?? No i don't work for them niether have i stock options in zalman :p

Perhaps someone can explain me why they're not recommend as al reviews of these coolers a re good to very good. :confused:
 
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