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CEE doesnt effect you like Mono iirc, you dont get the water retention, so it doesnt act as a cell volumiser.
mono and taurine act as volumisers, while repleating the used creatine stores.
there are a few more knowledgable people who will give decent answers im sure, though it does seem like we need a supplement sticky more and more recently
mono and taurine act as volumisers, while repleating the used creatine stores.
there are a few more knowledgable people who will give decent answers im sure, though it does seem like we need a supplement sticky more and more recently
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Creatine Ethyl Esther is basically Creatine Monohydrate that has bee Esterified. Esters are organic compounds that exist in the lipids (fat tissues) of animals. Compounds like Creatine are Esterified to increase fat solubility which reduces the amount of water that gets dragged into the cell. Which in turn reduces the bloating effect of Creatine but it still acts as a cell volumizer. Also smaller doses are required to reach cell saturation so 3g per day is plenty. Best time to take it is about 45 mins pre-workout, gives a great pump, especially when combined with Taurine 
Tastes vile and is very acidic, either take with OJ or if you're like me and worry what this battery acid is doing to your teeth... cap it!!
Taurine does so many things, easier to just take a quote from MP's site as it gives a better explanation than I could.
Also it's great for helping the mind relax, 2g before bed can help you sleep like a baby
Guarana contains caffeine, it's effects last longer and are a bit stronger. I use it all the time pre-workout, gives a fantastic boost and all but eliminates fatigue Take 500mg 45 mins pre-workout, though I wouldn't recommend taking it any later than about 7pm otherwise you might have trouble sleeping.
I remember Tesco's used to sell a coffee called "Rocket Fuel" that contained guarana, didn't half give a good kick!
Tastes vile and is very acidic, either take with OJ or if you're like me and worry what this battery acid is doing to your teeth... cap it!!
Taurine does so many things, easier to just take a quote from MP's site as it gives a better explanation than I could.
I take 4g 45 mins pre-workout.
Also it's great for helping the mind relax, 2g before bed can help you sleep like a baby
Guarana contains caffeine, it's effects last longer and are a bit stronger. I use it all the time pre-workout, gives a fantastic boost and all but eliminates fatigue
Take 500mg 45 mins pre-workout, though I wouldn't recommend taking it any later than about 7pm otherwise you might have trouble sleeping.I remember Tesco's used to sell a coffee called "Rocket Fuel" that contained guarana, didn't half give a good kick!
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Are there any side effects or any kind of negative things with the use of Taurine ?
Not thinking of using it at all, just thought it might be interesting and others might want to know.
Not thinking of using it at all, just thought it might be interesting and others might want to know.
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All studies have shown zero side-effects with Taurine with doses upto 6g per day which is as much as they used. It's possible someone could have an allergic reaction to very high doses over 6g or it might interact with other medications but the same can be said for pretty much anything.mattbrown91 said:Are there any side effects or any kind of negative things with the use of Taurine ?
Not thinking of using it at all, just thought it might be interesting and others might want to know.
Taurine is one of the safest supplement you can take. It's present in all high protein foods such as meat, fish, eggs, poultry and dairy. Beans and nuts don't contain taurine but they contain methionine and cysteine which the body can use to make it's own, though it also requires Vitamin B6 to do this.
Firstly i'll tell you that i supplement with Taurine, in the past i've had the occasional RedBull and i've not read up on the wikipedia quote you posted.
OK.......
"In 2001, the drink was investigated by the Swedish National Food Administration after being linked to the deaths of three consumers."
Were these consumers recreational drug users, were on prescribed medication, heavy smokers, drinkers, were they already supplementing with large amounts of taurine and/or other supplements, history of heart problems in the family?? I've got no idea but hopefully all these possibilities were explored during the investigation. I imagine if taurine was directly responsible for the deaths that Redbull would not risk there market position and global image (plus fines etc for improper warnings) and reformulate Redbull for all markets. That clearly hasn't happened (look on the back of a RB next time you're in a shop) so I *assume* that there was a *suspicion* that taurine could have played a part. I guess Redbull could have fought their corner using the research available but as a PR exercise its not a good idea.
As CW points out taurine is a naturally occuring amino acid and i've certainly never had any ill effects but that not to say others won't. I was talking to a psychiatric doctor friend of mine the other day about roids. She was saying that in a small percentage of people, regardless of dosage, it can trigger schizophrenia.
What relevance does that have to taurine? I'm trying to highlight the fact that some people are predisposed to illness/reaction to some drugs/chemicals/compounds that don't affect others.
OK.......
"In 2001, the drink was investigated by the Swedish National Food Administration after being linked to the deaths of three consumers."
Were these consumers recreational drug users, were on prescribed medication, heavy smokers, drinkers, were they already supplementing with large amounts of taurine and/or other supplements, history of heart problems in the family?? I've got no idea but hopefully all these possibilities were explored during the investigation. I imagine if taurine was directly responsible for the deaths that Redbull would not risk there market position and global image (plus fines etc for improper warnings) and reformulate Redbull for all markets. That clearly hasn't happened (look on the back of a RB next time you're in a shop) so I *assume* that there was a *suspicion* that taurine could have played a part. I guess Redbull could have fought their corner using the research available but as a PR exercise its not a good idea.
As CW points out taurine is a naturally occuring amino acid and i've certainly never had any ill effects but that not to say others won't. I was talking to a psychiatric doctor friend of mine the other day about roids. She was saying that in a small percentage of people, regardless of dosage, it can trigger schizophrenia.
What relevance does that have to taurine? I'm trying to highlight the fact that some people are predisposed to illness/reaction to some drugs/chemicals/compounds that don't affect others.
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Don't take a heaped teaspoon of Guarana!!!!!!smoove said:
You want half a gram not 5 grams!!!
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Do you recommend it CW?
I've never bothered with this stuff, based on the sugar content in the drinks they come in (did drink some low calorie energy drink for a while during workout, stopped that on the basis that blood would be in the stomach) no doubt that it could give you a few extra reps though.
I've never bothered with this stuff, based on the sugar content in the drinks they come in (did drink some low calorie energy drink for a while during workout, stopped that on the basis that blood would be in the stomach) no doubt that it could give you a few extra reps though.
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You're talking about Guarana right?Heaven Can Wait said:
I'd say it's as powerfull as ephedrine as a stimulant. I don't like anything stronger than this as that's when you feel over stimulated and the heart rate goes too high too easily and there's always the dry mouth and shaky hands.
I find things like this take away from the quality of a workout instead of adding to it.
I'm finding it to be a very potent supplement, especially when added to my other pre-workout stack that I've been using. No matter how tired or drained I've felt my workouts have always been full on, all out effort
I take it with Green Tea Extract, Taurine, CEE, AAKG, ALCAR and a Vitamin B-complex. A great mix of fat-burners, stimulants, energy releasers, vasolidators and anti-oxidants.
The only problem can be I never get fatigued anymore so this can be a little dangerous as it makes me want to train harder and longer. I've just in the last week had to cut down my training volume as I was heading for over-training.
LOL do you have a pulse? A teaspoon is about 5g, a heaped one is almost 10g!!smoove said:
If I took that much by mistake I'd head for the hospital and I'm not joking.
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It's a very, very light brown, almost beige colour. Tastes disgusting!smoove said:
Green Tea Extract is brown, you sure you aren't taking that? 3x teaspoons of guarana just sounds ridiculous, you'd be shaking like a ******* dog
