The Web Entrepreneur Egg Race

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Since I retired I still like to keep my hand in coming up with business concepts or ideas for TV shows, etc. Its a sort of hobby although I have sold one or two over the last few years just for the heck of it. I rarely run with them myself because my other half goes ape if I do anything even resembling work for more than a day or two a month.

Anyway, one unique concept I've been mentally playing with I have decided to donate to OCuk peeps and I'm calling it 'The Web Entrepreneur Egg Race'..

My hunch is that it has the potential to generate at least £50K pa profit quite easily but most probably substantially more. I have done a little research and no-one is as far as I can tell offering this service.

So lets see if any of the budding Web Entrepreneurs around here know how to develop and run with a unique service FT£W?

Anyone interested I suggest starts by looking at the thread I have started in the Programming sub-forum. See - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=18891290#post18891290

I'll post again here in the next day or so and we can start the race true and proper.:D
 
My hunch is that it has the potential to generate at least £50K pa profit quite easily but most probably substantially more. I have done a little research and no-one is as far as I can tell offering this service.


Need a deposit up front? :p

Srsly, fascinated to see what you have up your sleeve :)
 
Call me a cynic - but why don't you just post whatever this fantastical idea is instead of messing about trying to build suspense and create intrigue. Let us decide if it's a good idea worthy of praise.
 
Call me a cynic - but why don't you just post whatever this fantastical idea is instead of messing about trying to build suspense and create intrigue. Let us decide if it's a good idea worthy of praise.

I agree especially if it's crypto/security oriented, high probability of design/idea flaws.
 
Not trying to build suspense one bit. Just needed to check out on the Programming sub-forum that I hadn't missed anything.

OK, anyone who's read the thread in the Programming sub-forum will now know that the concept is for a unique service for Time-Locking files; a service that could be used by just about anyone and which would be secure.

Users effectively ‘purchase’ a disclosure date and are supplied with the means to produce an encrypted file which will effectively be locked until that disclosure date. The means to produce the locked file being a simple drag and drop tool complete with a Public Key, truly so simple to use that anyone could use it. By dropping any file onto that tool a file will be produced which is inaccessible until the date that the Private Key is made available on the Service Providers website.

The costs of delivering such a service are truly minuscule and hence the service could be offered extremely inexpensively.

Currently there is no simple and inexpensive way to lock files for release until a specific a later date – perhaps even years after one’s death. Having done a little research I cannot find anyone offering anything like it at any price and hence at this point this potential service can be considered unique.

Being a unique service it is impossible to predict the potential market. However, the fact that the service is unique means that it is newsworthy and that means that the potential for publicity (free advertising) is very considerable. It should be remembered that the potential is for publicity not just across the internet and industry media but even across the general news media. Remember – The service is so simple that anyone can use it and nothing like it has ever been available before.

Given both that the service appears globally unique plus that there exists huge potential for free publicity/promotion a level of 36 users a day I believe is very easily achievable. If one sets just £3.99p as the cost then that equates to over £1K a week turnover, the vast majority of which would be profit due to the very low costs of providing the service.

The true profit potential of the concept is though far greater in that this unique service leads to site hits and with it the potential for selling associated or additional services. For example, for a little more the site could offer to hold a copy of the time-locked file and to provide certification of the date that the file was lodged with the site. Such is far more professional and less expensive than the old trick of sending oneself a copy of a document via Royal Mail Special Delivery in order to demonstrate intellectual copyright for example.

Naming of the service I believe to be critical. It should sound secure. Something along the lines of TheLondonTimeVault.com London is respected as a centre for business and a Vault is by definition secure. To further promote a professional image, the daily disclosure time should always be quoted as X am/pm GMT. This is important not only because users could be from anywhere on the globe but equally because it gives the immediate impression of a global business. Personally were I myself going to run with this concept I would register for VAT from day one. Not being VAT registered is too much of a flag that one is a small business and registration is therefore pretty much essential if one wishes to attract commercial customers.

There are a number of business uses for this service which could result in very considerable routine use by commercial enterprises.

As discussed previously I just do not have the time to do this concept justice. My wife knows me too well. When I'm running with something I just can't stop myself giving something 24-7-365 and the missus will just not put up with me being like that now I'm supposed to be retired..

So chaps, there you are. If anyone wants to run with it help yourself. And if anyone wants to discuss it further of has any queries just post.
 
erm just having quickly read it.

surely what you're talking about is what steam has been doing for what 2-3 years now with game pre loads?

For example if you've preorderd portal 2 you can download it now and it'll be decrypted/unlocked on the release date next week.


edit: actually thinking about there were a few retail (disk) games that came out recently where you couldn't use them till release day either.
 
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its already been done by a program called "timelock" lol

check the other thread i posted what timelocks faq says the website for timelock looks ancient though you could probably buy the rights to it
 
Not really, Tefal.

Re-read the Programming thread linked to in my OP and then re-read my post you replied to. This is time-locking made easy, for any file and for all.

£50K pa profit should be a doddle if one puts the time in. While ten times that is, I suspect, possible if run with correctly.
 
em actually thinking about it again it's been done and is very easy/unpatentable.

example wikileak's insurance file.

take file encrypt with something ala true crypt with 256 (or any encryption which will take say 100 years on a current gen super computer, so basically infeasible without the password) people download that, then X years later you give them the password.

so far this system has worked with one of the most "interesting files".

I seriously cannot see how you could ever make money considering you'd have to keep track of everyone + their contact details +the right pw and a backup copy of the file for what years?

hen the soft ware to do it costs nothing/is free so if you do make money any competitor could start an do exactly the same, on what is lets face it a very pointless and minor product.
 
This is time-locking made easy, for any file and for all.

truecrypt, a pice of paper, and a trust worthy person, done.

all you're doing is selling the "trust worthy person" part and automating it.

basically a replacement for the old envelope, wax seal + solicitor/prepaid bank deposit box and a note for the manger, which has been in books/films since solicitors and deposit boxed were invented.
 
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its already been done by a program called "timelock" lol

check the other thread i posted what timelocks faq says the website for timelock looks ancient though you could probably buy the rights to it

Are you joking :rolleyes:

Read how the "Timelock" you linked to worked. Nothing like it. Useless, complicated and ill-conceived.
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/02/wikileaks_insurance/

there you found an article.

with free encryption programs able to run into the decade/century level of cracking time even on massive super computers (which lets face it here, none of your customers are ever going to warrant).

simply encrypting an withholding the key till later will work fine.



heck if you wanted to be insanely over the top paranoid you could use one time pad encryption which (if done correctly) can never be broken without obtaining the pad from you.

one time pad would be 100% secure so long as your security for keeping the pad is secure, if the pad is made correctly it can't be cracked.
 
oh also you're product could get you or your customers 5 years in prison in the uk.

As due to the fact free encryption programs are essentially uncrackable by the government in a reasonable amount of money and time refusing to hand over passwords when ordered in this country gets you up to 5 years. (in America they have the right to remain silent and not incriminate themselves so they can get away with it).

So say somone employs your service then tgets raided for some computer crimesuspected child porn charge.

they're ordered to give the pw over they don't know it they get threatened with 5 years, so they point them at you, do you give them the pw?

if not depending on how the law is you might be accountable and punishable.

and if you do then well your business fails as you have no credibility and hand out the passwords when asked.

also how do you vet the files?

if they're encrypted by you do you inspect them (you wouldn't want to be holding a few hundred gigs of child porn on your servers for example)


if you do vet the files before encryption then that makes your service useless as people won't give you secret info if some bloke is going to be reading/browsing though it all.

if you don't vet it (it's encrypted by the users and simply uploaded) well then good luck in prison on a possession of child pornography charge.
 
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