Q6600 and Asus stiker ii motherboard trying to get 3 gig

Hi all,

Well this is first post so howdy do all

Would anyone be so kind to help me out here i would like to OC my stock Q6600 Quad core 2.4 to about 3 gig im new to OC but im quite confident with PCs and the Bios etc been out the game for a bit though (3years). Im Getting this ready for BF3 so i think my bottleneck is the CPU might aswell crank it up ready for a bash at the Ultra settings.

My Rig is

Q6600 Quadcore 2.4

Zalman Super Areo CPU Cooler

4 gig of OCZ Ram, DDR2 6400 (800mhz) 2x2GB.

ASUS Striker II Formula Motherboard (G0 Stepping and 780i chip BIOS rev 2102)

ATI 6950 2gig GFX brought from here 2 weeks ago

750 power supply

Windows 7 64 ultimate

I have managed to do the auto OC 10 percent yesterday and played Bad company 2 worked fine so tried to 15 percent but would not load to windows, so not trusting this Auto ive gone back to default and would like to do this manual.

To save someone some time ive just pulled the settings below from a similair post if someone could alter it for me to enable it to 3gig would be much appricated.

The quote below took from another post is showing for 3.6 gig OC

AI Tuning: Manual
Nvidia GPU Ex: Disabled

FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked
FSB : Mhz:1600 Change to 1332 Mhz?
MEM (DDR), Mhz: 800
CPU Multiplier: 9

Vcore Voltage: AUTO
Memory Voltage: 2.1v
1.2v HT Voltage: AUTO
NB Core Voltage: 1.45v
SB Core Voltage: AUTO
CPU VTT Voltage: AUTO
DDRII Controller Ref Voltage: AUTO
DDRII Channel A Ref Voltage: AUTO
DDRII Channel B Ref Voltage: AUTO

tCL (CAS Latency): 5
tRCD: 5
tRP: 5
tRAS: 18
Command Per Clock (CMD): 2 clock (2T)
Advance Memory Settings
tRRD: AUTO
tRC: AUTO
tWR: AUTO
tWTR: AUTO
tREF: AUTO
Async Latency: AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Internal Thermal Control: Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E): Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Disabled
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Disabled
LDT Frequency: 5x
PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz):set to 101
PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz):set to 101
PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz):set to 101
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: 200

Thanks a lot for your time peeps hope you can help me

this is a very basic explanation of overclocking

its basic maths. your Q6600 is rated at 1066mhz. you always divide this number by 4 so 1066/4= 266, this is your fsb. (or cpu frequency)
then your processor (cpu) has a multiplier of 9 (or cpu ratio)
so 266 x 9 = 2394mhz or 2.4GHz, your stock speed

boot into bios, and disable C1est, and any other power saving features.

unlink your ram, using the ram divider, so it stays at stock speeds, you can overclock the ram later.
this means leave it at 800mhz (or 400mhz x 2)

can you raise the fsb? yours is now 266. (266 x 9 = 2394mb or 2.4ghz ) try rising it to 280
boot into windows
download realtemp and coretemp (google them)
install and run them
then download intel burn test (ibt) and run it.
have a look in task manager and notice how much free ram is listed.

in ibt set threads to 4 (for 4 cores) and then click on custom ram and enter an amount just below the free amount.
eg. i have 2520mb free ram. so i enter 2500 into the custom ram.
run the test for 5 passes. for now,
and then at final speed you want, run for 50 passes
keep an eye on temps (do not let it go over 75.c)

or download prime95 and run the torture test/large fft's

if test runs fine, go back into bios, and change frequency (fsb) to 300 and repeat the tests.
keep doing this in 20mhz steps until windows will not boot. then just go back a step (remove 20 from the fsb) to the last stable frequency,
or
just raise the cpu voltage a couple of levels. it should now boot.
its a balancing act, higher voltages will get you higher fsb, but it will also give you higher temps.
my B3 revision Q6600 needs 1.39v in the bios to get to 3.3ghz.
if yours is a G0 revision, you should be able to get this speed at a lower voltage


the trick is to do this step by step, and not go straight to eg. 400 (400 x 9= 3.6ghz), just take your time.

also for some reason using the x 9 multi, i couldn't get past 3.0ghz
so i dropped it to a x8 multi and i got it to 3.3ghz easily.
get the cpu maxed before increasing the ram speed

if you get to 400 x 9 (3.6ghz)
regarding the 1:1 (linked ram)
if your fsb is 400mhz and your ram is 800mhz (which it is, yours is pc 6400, and as its ddr2 ram its 400mhz x 2 = 800mhz) this means they are the same, thus 1:1


dont forget that stress testing is extreme, day to day gaming will be around 20.c cooler. from my own expierence.

Hi j.col,

Cant thank anough for the time you put into this post this is just what im looking for brilliant

I will go away and have a go at this later on tonight after work i will definatly post back how i get on

Cheers

Hi all,

Well ive enjoyed this OC malarky

I think ive hit a dead end now though i mean this is a second hand chip and board so think its been a bit battered in the past lol but heres my findings does it end here or is there any other tricks

Ive done all above but only managed to get 2688.85mhz x9 with passing IBT tests.

FSB 1195 and stable with a voltage of 1.26875


If i go above the 1195 Fsb to 2000 Fsb windows fails to load and if i increase the volts above 1.26875 volts to the next Voltage incriment this screen below happens, i think im beat i have tried this sequence also at 1.3 but lost the guts to up it more was getting same screen below on all above 1.26

BLUE SCREEN
hardware malfunction

call your hardware vendor for support

*the system has halted*

If i revert to the settings Fsb 1195 V 1.26875 all seems well .

Ps tried with the 8 x aswell but just does not like going above Fsb 1195 aswell.

PPS pulled from another post ive only altered the CPU v the rest are on Auto is this correct ?

CPU VDD Auto
CPU V 1.26875
CPU-NB Auto
CPU-NBv Auto
CPU PLL Auto

Thanks for your time lads

Now I have a lil helpful guidance for those of you who wish to overclock their Q6600...


First thing that really confused me was all the other ***** options in the BIOS. Most of them you can just leave on Auto and ignore them. What matters is the Northbridge Strap (Memory divider), DRAM Voltage, NB Voltage and CPU Vcore voltage. Everything else pretty much stays the same.

My NB strap is at 400 MHz which is what the RAM is physically clocked at. Because the RAM is running at DDR (Double Data Rate) then you get the good ol' DDR2-800 MHz which is it's effective clock. HOWEVER keep in mind when you overclock the FSB for the CPU, you overclock the RAM speed too. Every 1 MHz you put the FSB up will depend on what the NB Strap is set on. If it's 400 MHz on mine then it should be a 1:1 ratio (RAM:FSB/CPU). However I have put my RAM Frequency up higher and "forced" the RAM from DDR 800 (+ 200 MHz FSB overclock to hit 3600 MHz) my RAM and forced the DRAM frequency to DDR2 1066, my ratio is more like 16:12 (DRAM:FSB/CPU, so my RAM is set a little higher than CPU but not far from 1:1).

Ok time for voltages! Please keep in mind voltages will vary with different chips and hardware, even if specs are the same! Sounds weird but you can get a Q6600 G0 either as a good low powered clocker or one that suck the juice and get hot just to keep up to 3.2 GHz! (What Chispy mentioned in previous post)

I hope my setup helps, so here it is:

AI Tuning: Manual

FSB Frequency: 400

NB Strap: 400

DRAM Frequency: 1066 MHz

Memory Timings: Standard 5-5-5-15. Leave others unless you know what timings they can really do. Can always google your RAM for other timings. These are the timings that pretty much control when the RAM's bank gets filled with data, stores it and then goes to the next bank. If too low the PC will have major instability or not boot. CPR would kick in however so you aren't totally screwed as well as the backup BIOS recovery.

Memory O.C Charger: I have it set to Enabled (This is optional, may or may not help).

CPU Voltage: 1.47500 (tried a little less but over time I had slight instability issues) Keep an eye on temps for those of you who are daring enough to OC on stock coolers!

DRAM Voltage: Mine varied but it's on 2.26v atm.

NB Voltage: This is the voltage set to carry the data from RAM to the CPU and vice-versa. Will also vary but mine was unstable on 1.42v, I went to 1.46v and it's a lot better. Even loads Windows faster lol. I'm guessing mainly because of the decrease in RAM memory errors wit hthe increased voltage.

Also go into the next menu option where you can set the CPU multiplier, etc. Turn everything to disabled EXCEPT Disable Execute Bit.

LEAVE everything else on auto!!

GTL Ref just messed with my potential overclock and everything else didn't help. I'm sure with a Q9450 Wolfdales it may help but definately not with the Q6600 Kentsfields!

If I have mistaken anything or haven't covered something that I should have please let me know!!

It may be combinations of things why your PC won't boot after an overclock.

My previous post will help a little bit becuase I briefly explain wht some of the features do in the BIOS.

You will find trial and error is the most effective way to overclock oyur own personal setup by working with figures that you have read over the internet and on this forum. 1.275v on a watercooling system? Sounds odd, especially with those temps. My CPU is 36 degrees on idle and hits 45 degrees on load.

Keeping in mind that when you overclock FSB, you also overclock RAM. Have you tried putting the RAM Frequency down between DDR 800 and DDR 900? If you go below DDR 800 then it is in violation of the QVL specifications and won't boot as well.

NB = Stable Communication between CPU / RAM. Don't set it higher than 1.5v unles you are confident you must and have cooling for it.

SB = Nothing major to worry about, controls HDD, onboard sound and LAN. 1.3v if required but not needed really.

CPU = Volts CPU needs to run.Try 1.3v and see how you go. DO NOT set above 1.37v because it can shorten the lifespan of CPU (you may need a better cooler) * Applies to all Penryns and Wolfdales. **E8xxx, Q9xxx

PLL = Phase Loop-Locking not strong here but I read it's something to do with maintaining a more stable CPU clock internally inside the CPU with high FSB but not to go much higher than 1.8v unless you want to kill your CPU in the next month or so. My recommendation is try it at 1.4v if you want.

GTL Ref = Decreased Vdrop and Vdroop. They are the difference between what has been set in the BIOS and what it is physically running. A good way to find out is to set a CPU voltage for the BIOS then open Everest and see what the voltage is running at in real time. Measure this in idle and anything that reads less is the Vdrop. Run it again on load and any drop is called Vdroop. I've read putting these to maximum figures (0.65) can help with Vdrop/Vdroop but I would check your CPU voltage in Everest FIRST to see if it's needed. I also read Load Line Calibration can fix Vdrop/Vdroop but it may adversely affect high overclocks so it may not be wise to enable it unless certain.

If you keep an eye on temps and go by advised voltages from these posts you SHOULD be ok but there is I'm NOT making any promises / guarantees. Some chips can take more than others performance-wise and longevity-wise.

It's not a dumb thing to say you don't want to fry your system, nobody wants that and it can happen in overclocking very easily if you don't know what you are doing.

Few bios settings you can play with:

Ai Overclock Tuner ................. [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [8]
FSB Frequency ...................... [400]
PCIE Frequency ..................... [100]
FSB Strap to North Bridge .......... [Auto]
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1066mhz]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B2 ...... [Auto]


DRAM Timing Control: Manual
1st
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

2nd
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

3rd
Write to Pre Delay : Auto
Reado to Pre Delay : Auto
Pre to Pre Delay : Auto
All Pre to Act Delay : Auto
All Pre to Ref Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control ........... [Disable]
DRAM Read Training ................. [Disable]
MEM. OC Charger .................... [Auto]
Ai Clock Twister ................... [Auto]
Ai Transaction Booster ............. [Auto]
____________________________________

CPU Voltage ........................ [1.225v]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2) .... [0.630]
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3) .... [0.670]
CPU PLL Voltage .................... [1.50]
FSB Termination Voltage............. [1.20]
DRAM Voltage ....................... [2.06]
NB Voltage ......................... [1.10]
NB GTL Reference ................... [0.630]
SB Voltage ......................... [1.10]
PCIE SATA Voltage .................. [1.5]
____________________________________

Load-Line Calibration .............. [Enable]
CPU Spread Spectrum ................ [Disable]
PCIE Spread Spectrum ............... [Disable]
CPU Clock Skew ..................... [Auto]
NB Clock Skew ...................... [Auto]
CPU Margin Enhancement ............. [Optimized]

Mem settings:

5 5 5 15 6 55 7 14 11 3 7 5 6 4171 2T
5 5 3 13 4 52 7 12 11 3 8 4 4 16383 2T

ASUS P5E3 Deluxe Quad-Core Setup Guide for 450FSB
CPU Features
Ai Overclock Tuner Manual
CPU Ratio Control Manual
CPU Ratio Setting 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge 266
FSB Frequency 450
PCIE Frequency 115
DRAM Frequency DDR-1800
DRAM Command Rate 1T
DRAM Timing Control Manual
DRAM Timings
CAS# Latency 7 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to CAS# Delay 7 DRAM Clocks
RAS# PRE Time 7 DRAM Clocks
RAS# ACT Time 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay Auto
REF Cycle Time Auto
WRITE Recovery Time Auto
READ to PRE Time Auto
READ to WRITE Delay(S/D) Auto
WRITE to READ Delay(S) Auto
READ to READ Delay(S) Auto
READ to READ Delay(D) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(S) Auto
WRITE to WRITE Delay(D) Auto
DRAM Static Read Control Disabled
DRAM Dynamic Write Control Disabled
Ai Clock Twister Strong
Ai Clock Skew for Channel A Auto
Ai Clock Skew for Channel B Auto
Ai Transaction Booster Enabled
Boost Level 2
Voltage Settings
CPU Voltage 1.475
CPU PLL Voltage 1.6
FSB Termination Voltage 1.5
DRAM Voltage 1.96
NB Voltage 1.61
SB Voltage Auto
Clock Over-Charging Voltage Auto
Load-Line Calibration Disabled
CPU GTL Voltage Reference Auto
NB GTL Voltage Reference Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum Disabled

Hi Tommy,

Well what can i say lol but a very very very big thanks

Thats a lot of information do you ever sleep im going to have a look at my settings and try tweaking the Ram and checking the dividers and stuff and take it from there will let you know how i get on.


Edit

Im currently puzzled looking at BIOS

You say to add

Ai Overclock Tuner ................. [Manual]
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [8]
FSB Frequency ...................... [400]
PCIE Frequency ..................... [100]
FSB Strap to North Bridge .......... [Auto]
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1066mhz]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A2 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B1 ...... [Auto]
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B2 ...... [Auto]






My BIOS ATM i have found to input some stuff but just cant get passed the language barrier on some lol

Ai Overclock Tuner ................. [Manual] <<<<<< I have Found this
CPU Ratio Setting .................. [8] <<<<<< I have Found this
PCIE Frequency ..................... [100] <<<<<< I have Found this


Cpu Level up [Auto]
FSB - memory clock mode Unlinked <<<<<< What should this be set to
FSB - Memory Ratio AUTO <<<<<< whatshould this be set to
FSB (QDR) , MHZ [1195] <<<<<< What should this be set to
Actual FSB (QDR) , MHZ 1195.1 <<<<<< What should this be set to
MEM (DDR2) ,MHZ [800] <<<<<< What should this be set to
Actual MEM ( DDR), MHZ 796.7 <<<<<< What should this be set to



FSB Frequency ...................... [400] <<<<<< Cant find this
DRAM Frequency ..................... [1066mhz] <<<<<< Cant find this
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A1 ...... [Auto] <<<<<< Cant find this
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel A2 ...... [Auto] <<<<<< Cant find this
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B1 ...... [Auto] <<<<<< Cant find this
DRAM Clock Skew on Channel B2 ...... [Auto] <<<<<< Cant find this

clubb699 said:

Hi all,


FSB 1195 and stable with a voltage of 1.26875


If i go above the 1195 Fsb to 2000 Fsb windows fails to load and if i increase the volts above 1.26875 volts to the next Voltage incriment this screen below happens, i think im beat i have tried this sequence also at 1.3 but lost the guts to up it more was getting same screen below on all above 1.26

BLUE SCREEN
hardware malfunction

call your hardware vendor for support

*the system has halted*

If i revert to the settings Fsb 1195 V 1.26875 all seems well .

Ps tried with the 8 x aswell but just does not like going above Fsb 1195 aswell.

PPS pulled from another post ive only altered the CPU v the rest are on Auto is this correct ?

CPU VDD Auto
CPU V 1.26875
CPU-NB Auto
CPU-NBv Auto
CPU PLL Auto

Thanks for your time lads

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raise the cpu voltage to 1.4v
take the cpu-NB off auto and raise it a couple of levels, (if you have 4 sticks of ram, you will need to raise it a little more)
also raise the cpu pll a couple of levels.

now your rated fsb you are at is 1195, so 1195 / 4 = 299. this is your fsb.
then multiply this by 9, so 299 x 9= 2691mhz

as you raised the vcore to 1.4v, you should easily be able to raise the rated fsb higher. give it a try.
try 1333(rated fsb) (or 1333 / 4 = 333 (fsb) and 333 x 9 = 3000mhz or 3.ghz)

also regarding ram timings, just leave them on auto. its the ram speed you need to adjust.
in the Dram frequency, keep it at or around 800mhz
your last post has your ram speed at 1066mhz. change this to 800mhz

j.col said:

your last post has your ram speed at 1066mhz. change this to 800mhz

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J.col your trying your hardest to help me many thanks think we got crossed here with a post i copied these are my setting in the Bios at the moment.

Cpu Level up [Auto]
FSB - memory clock mode Unlinked <<<<<< What should this be set to
FSB - Memory Ratio AUTO <<<<<< whatshould this be set to
FSB (QDR) , MHZ [1195] <<<<<< What should this be set to
Actual FSB (QDR) , MHZ 1195.1 <<<<<< What should this be set to
MEM (DDR2) ,MHZ [800] Is this not my RAM speed
Actual MEM ( DDR), MHZ 796.7 <<<<<< What should this be set to

Thanks so far might go back and have another go in a sec been trying for 2 hours lol

clubb699 said:

J.col your trying your hardest to help me many thanks think we got crossed here with a post i copied these are my setting in the Bios at the moment.

Cpu Level up [Auto]
FSB - memory clock mode Unlinked <<<<<< What should this be set to
FSB - Memory Ratio AUTO <<<<<< whatshould this be set to
FSB (QDR) , MHZ [1195] <<<<<< What should this be set to
Actual FSB (QDR) , MHZ 1195.1 <<<<<< What should this be set to
MEM (DDR2) ,MHZ [800] Is this not my RAM speed
Actual MEM ( DDR), MHZ 796.7 <<<<<< What should this be set to

Thanks so far might go back and have another go in a sec been trying for 2 hours lol

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sorry my bad, it was someone elses settings
you are right, that is your ram speed. and the memory clock is unlinked which is good.
as i said before, just whack the cpu voltage to 1.4v.
then raise the fsb to 333 and the cpu ratio leave on 9. that will give you 3.0ghz.
dont forget to bump up the NB voltage a couple of levels as well.
this is the basic way to overclock.

obviously there are loads more settings, that can overload your brain, but the basics are.
raise the cpu voltage and NB,
unlink ram
then bump up the fsb
stress test

dont forget to keep an eye on temps, do not let it go higher the 80.C

j.col said:

sorry my bad, it was someone elses settings
you are right, that is your ram speed. and the memory clock is unlinked which is good.
as i said before, just whack the cpu voltage to 1.4v.
then raise the fsb to 333 and the cpu ratio leave on 9. that will give you 3.0ghz.
dont forget to bump up the NB voltage a couple of levels as well.
this is the basic way to overclock.

obviously there are loads more settings, that can overload your brain, but the basics are.
raise the cpu voltage and NB,
unlink ram
then bump up the fsb
stress test

dont forget to keep an eye on temps, do not let it go higher the 80.C

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Damn it ive just tried above and i am getting past the windows splash screen then all of a sudden this Blue screen again ive tried a few Volts steps from what you said and the same happen as before ive tweaked down the FSB and tried a few other Volts on the NB and FSB settings then it will not get to splash screen or the blue screen doing the same as before.



BLUE SCREEN
hardware malfunction

call your hardware vendor for support

*the system has halted*


It just does not like me going over the optimised Volts ive found that work for me for some reason, one thing i must say is the only way i could find the current NB Volts was using the BIOS volts meter as its was set to auto and does not show the firgure like it does with all ato settings on this motherboard setting

Maybe the NB volts in the BIOS are not an accurate figure for me to start stepping up from.

Iam beat lol

i dont understand it.
most G0 revision Q6600's will get to 3.0ghz with just a small raise in the vcore

have you tried clearing the cmos and starting again? (remove the big watch battery on the mobo for 2 mins and put back in)

here are some settings and info for your mobo/cpu
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/456431-q6600-asus-striker-ii-formula-anomaly.html
and
http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/686020-asus-striker-ii-formula-780i-club.html
and
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/404254-q6600-g0-my-asus-striker-ii.html

oh and even though you have a 750w psu, what make is it?

Hi jcol,


I have not tried clearing cmos, so thats another shot and thanks for links wil look later, the psu was top brand gold addition from pc world forget the name now used one years ago seemed ok for last few years on old rig.

When im back from work will take another look cheers though

No problem club, yes i do sleep sometimes what are the temp you reaching now?
Did you updated BIOS?

Good source here aswell:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...S-Thread**&highlight=Q6600+and+Asus+stiker+ii

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...king-Thread*&highlight=Q6600+and+Asus+stiker+

Similar problem but bit diferent mobo, i think it will help, enjoy reading
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=20362380&postcount=17

tommyk99 said:

No problem club, yes i do sleep sometimes what are the temp you reaching now?
Did you updated BIOS?

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Hi tommy, i maxed at 60c while playing bad company 2 for 30 mins got all settings maxed out on 1920x 1080 monitor was maxing the pc out as much as can was getting 46 to 60 FPS all good.

Not updated the BIOS it scares the life out of me lol and thanks for the links will have agood read later on.




To j.COL ,

Ive reset CMOS disabled the things you mentioned before tried FSB 1200 does not wanna play

So tried upping the voltage few steps same blue screen tried 1.4 volts same the moment i touch my temp settings the blue screen appears.

I have tried several Voltage combinations below

CPU Voltage 1.32 to 1.4 on its own then added a few to the CPU pll and even creaped up on the NB Volts a few steps like you said same Blue screen appears. Ive tried just upping the CPU Voltage on its own same thing.

Put all the volts back to Auto changed FSB to 1199 managed to get from 1195 lol and thats my limit to make it to fully load back up.

Current Core speed 2697.6 Mhz


I think its going to be long night

Defo check this
http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87