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AMD Radeon 300 Series Won’t Be A Rebrand, New GPUs Coming in June
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So there gonna release there new gpu in the summer..... i hope there coolers are good enough this time around
lol that's a good point
they sound very confident!
Caporegime
The way it's meant to be rebranded
A dig at Nvidia from Lambchop
. Gregster with a 290X .What's next?. Shankly and Tommybhoy with a Titan X?.
I still wonder with the introduction of 8GB 290 cards that they didn't think about this with the new cards to come. It would be pretty cool if they came in 8GB DDR5 models also for those super HD gamers.
Caporegime
A dig at Nvidia from Lambchop
What's next?. Shankly and Tommybhoy with a Titan X?.
I still wonder with the introduction of 8GB 290 cards that they didn't think about this with the new cards to come. It would be pretty cool if they came in 8GB DDR5 models also for those super HD gamers.
I honestly think it will hurt AMD big time if they only have 4GB. Even if AIB's add more in later, it will still hurt them. I hope for their sake they can see what is what and take note of what people want and 4GB isn't that at all.
I'm not so sure about big time, that depends on what Nvidia bring out to rival that card as the Titan-X is a bit extreme in price alone (seemingly) to compare. It would have to be the next GTX 1080 or whatever naming scheme they choose to determine if AMD has made a mistake or not. Are they going to be 6gb (the new GTX cards)?.
Caporegime
No idea on what is what with the next gen and I believe the 1080 (we will call it that) will also use HBM (Volta), so quite possible the first iterations come with 4GB. For the average gamers, 4GB is plenty though but word gets around that the VRAM limit is at the top of 4GB and the average gamer will want a little future proofing and this is why I can see it being a problem if it does come with only 4GB. HBM or not, people want and need more.
Anyways, some sites say 4GB, some say 8GB and we will have to wait till June for verification.
Caporegime
I don't think VRAM costs them all that much to be honest, although it could be different with HBM.
The 8GB 290x's aren't much more than the 4GB cards. Not sure what the difference was at release.
The majority of gamers aren't going to use 8GB though and I think AMD will know this if they release 4GB cards again, who knows what kind of effect this new HBM has on memory management as well.
The 8GB 290x's aren't much more than the 4GB cards. Not sure what the difference was at release.
The majority of gamers aren't going to use 8GB though and I think AMD will know this if they release 4GB cards again, who knows what kind of effect this new HBM has on memory management as well.
1080 it is then. Yeah a bit up in the air if the cards aimed at a larger segment of the market are both going to offer 4GB HBM. It then wouldn't really matter in the scheme of things between AMD/Nvidia. If Titan-X is going to be double the price then it's not like it's an easy toss up from £500 to £1000 (guesstimate). At least it will show people what 12GB can do at 4K. That should only quicken the release of cards with higher video memory if the 4GB HBM cards struggle with super HD.
(Off topic) Have you got 120Hz to work yet with the 290?.
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Thing is AMD can look at this two ways, 1) Are we releasing something to compete with the 980? 2) are we releasing something to compete with the TitanX?
If 1) then they only need 4GB and to make the card faster by a decent amount and have better cooling than the 290X and they are on to a winner
If 2) then the card needs to have a minimum of 8GB of Vram, be considerably faster than the 980 and have a decent cooler to make it perform.
In all honesty we wont know anything about HBM and its performance until review samples are on tech sites being put through tests, until then everything is pure speculation unfortunately
If 1) then they only need 4GB and to make the card faster by a decent amount and have better cooling than the 290X and they are on to a winner
If 2) then the card needs to have a minimum of 8GB of Vram, be considerably faster than the 980 and have a decent cooler to make it perform.
In all honesty we wont know anything about HBM and its performance until review samples are on tech sites being put through tests, until then everything is pure speculation unfortunately
Thing is AMD can look at this two ways, 1) Are we releasing something to compete with the 980? 2) are we releasing something to compete with the TitanX?
If 1) then they only need 4GB and to make the card faster by a decent amount and have better cooling than the 290X and they are on to a winner
If 2) then the card needs to have a minimum of 8GB of Vram, be considerably faster than the 980 and have a decent cooler to make it perform.
In all honesty we wont know anything about HBM and its performance until review samples are on tech sites being put through tests, until then everything is pure speculation unfortunately
I think they need to release something because...
1) NVidia are cleaning up the market share and profits
Caporegime
I am sure AMD are watching forums and taking the feedback on board and hopefully will see 8GB as the 'must have'. The big difference will be price of course and mugs like me are happy to pay nVidia's top prices but the sensible folk won't entertain that market. Pretty much the same with the original Titan in truth. The sensible guys grabbed the 780 or waited it out for the 290.
As to the 120Hz, it was a no
I have a startech lead coming (cost me £34.38 with postage - Ouch) and hopefully that will sort it. I am hating the tearing going on in truth and proper spoiling games. I can live with it for a bit though and will make me appreciate G-Sync a bit more 
Soldato
I don't agree with you on a lot of things but I agree with this. The market has shown people are willing to spend big money on graphics card that don't offer that much better performance or features then a product costings £000's less. AMD should be brave and give us 8Gb cards at launch and price it up accordingly as people will snap them up as shown with the Geforce Titan's.
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It's as if people can't grasp something quite simple and fundamental. The way you get 4 or 8GB cards is by using double density memory, you can't design a gpu(sensibly) that can use 8 or 16 memory chips. IE one 290x that has 8 memory chips for 4GB and another with 16 chips for 8GB. The silicon itself needs to be designed with the number of connections.
Thus you can't just make a gpu that can use 4 or 8 stacks of HBM, it has to be designed up front for one or the other. Likewise the 4GB max is based on the concept that it will have only 4 stacks for engineering reasons and the supposed current maximum of 1GB per stack.
An AIB can't add 4 more stacks, likewise if there isn't both 1GB and 2GB stacks, AMD CAN'T offer two different capacity cards. I personally wouldn't want to pay significantly more for 8GB when I don't need it.
Thus you can't just make a gpu that can use 4 or 8 stacks of HBM, it has to be designed up front for one or the other. Likewise the 4GB max is based on the concept that it will have only 4 stacks for engineering reasons and the supposed current maximum of 1GB per stack.
An AIB can't add 4 more stacks, likewise if there isn't both 1GB and 2GB stacks, AMD CAN'T offer two different capacity cards. I personally wouldn't want to pay significantly more for 8GB when I don't need it.
The problem is that AMD do not have the pull of Nvidia for what ever reason. So they need to price them competitive to make people move from Nvidia.
Soldato
They would have the pull if they could just time their releases well enough.
The 5870 and 5850 were absolutely epic. Miles ahead of Nvidia, miles ahead of previous gen cards, amazing price. I mean come on, when't the last time Nvidia launched their high end card for £350?
But this game is all about timing. I can't tell you how many people I knew, me included, who were staunch Nvidia fans yet bought the 5 series because they just laughed at Nvidia.
If AMD had the 390x ready a while ago they could have made it look sexy, wrapped it in a negligee and called it something attractive. I dunno, the female name for a Titan or something, then charged £500 or so for it and mopped up a ton of sales.
As it stands the 390x is just another 290x. IE - Nvidia will have already been making hay for a few months and AMD are going to have to sell cheap and try and convince the Nvidia boys not to wait for the cheaper cut down Titan.
What is very odd mind is what do Nvidia call the cut down Titan X? they've already used 970 and 980 so what do they call it? a 1080?!?
But yeah, this round to Nvidia again.
I said before that if AMD were on the ball there would never have been a Titan. As it stands this is the fourth (Kepler Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z and now Titan X).
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Fairly sure i read the SK Hynix presentation slides from 2014 or so that said 2gb per Stack for 1st Gen HBM, i might be mistaken but im pretty sure it was listed on the slides.
http://www.hotchips.org/wp-content/...Bandwidth-Kim-Hynix-Hot Chips HBM 2014 v7.pdf
On second glance you could be correct, although it states 2gb per DRAM Die, it also states 4 Hi Stack (1GB), so if that means your limited to 1GB per Dram on a stack of 4 equalling 4GB of Vram im not sure, although the 2nd Gen slide says 4-8gb versions possible.
However looking at this slide from AMD themselves
http://theconfab.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/confab_jun14_die_stacking_is_happening.pdf
you can see they clearly state - Dram Die Density 2GB, Dies per stack = 4, so hmmm not sure what to believe now
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