Mice: Dont believe the hype!!

I have had many different mice over the last decade... over the last few years I have opted for Logitech straight from the release of the Mx500 to the Mx510, and Mx518.

However, I have encountered an ongoing problem with these mice, each one has developed a problem with mouse button 1. I play a lot.. considerably, but not to the extent that these things should be dying on me so fast, although that is not the point of the thread!!!

Anyhoo..

I had decided that I was going to give Logitech a wide birth this time around, try something new. While looking at buying a new mouse I had been using my missus trusty old microsoft wheel mouse optical. It does not have any other buttons apart from mouse 1 and mouse 2.

I have been absolutely kicking serious butt with this mouse. It feels so much lighter. Its fits neatly into my palm and allows my thumb and pinky to sit comfortably at either side. I have total control. My headshots and accuracy have increased and my kill ratio is monstrous.

I had been reading some articles online and some threads here that state, "if you want a mouse for fps you need to buy one specifically designed for that purpose. All that I can say to that is its codswallop.

I have just ordered the ledgendary Microsoft Intellimouse explorer 3.0. I really looking forward to its delivery. It gives me the extra buttons for my binds, but will have the same ergonomic design for total control.

I just wrote this thread for people who are thinking of buying a new mouse and think that mice with the highest DPI is the best. In my experience, the only thing DPI actually does is make the mouse more sensitive, people just adjust there sensitivity in the settings which negates having the higher DPI.

If you are going to buy a mouse for gaming, don't buy into the sales hype.

Dont get me wrong, I like the logitech design and the feel, they are great mice, but changing to this microsoft mouse which is so much smaller, lighter and easier to control has been a revelation.

My new micro intelli explorer 3.0 was dispatched from OcUK on Monday... I hope it arrives today, the extra 2 buttons will be the icing on the cake

-|ScottFree|- said:

I had been reading some articles online and some threads here that state, "if you want a mouse for fps you need to buy one specifically designed for that purpose. All that I can say to that is its codswallop.

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Totally agree, theres a lot of hype. I play better with my old MS Ball mouse then i ever did with any gaming mouse

i prefer the intellimouse optical over any, mainly because ive used it for so long, i've gotten used to the weight/feel of it. infact i've recently brought a new mouse, guess waht it is

The Intellimouse Optical is a supreme mouse. I even have spares!

I must admit though - the Razer Death Adder / Habu mice are beginning to look interesting. They don't deviate too far from the Intellimouse design.

Yep same here, ordered a G5 at Xmas and it was just horrid the way it sat in my hand, was just so uncomfortable.

Back using my MS Intellimouse and its great

Diddy

I used a crappy old Logitech Click! mouse for years, was fine for FPS at a pretty high standard.

It developed a fault recently though and I've just got myself a Habu, so I shall see how it goes.

I used to have a razer copperhead and I hated the shape and design, yes it was sensative but because it was so uncomfortable to use I just wasn't improving on my accuracy at all.

So I went and bought a microsoft HABU because they are shaped much like the intellimice, and I have not been dissappointed

It's quite big but because of that and the shape it fits perfectly into the curve of your hand and you can also change the 2 side buttons for another set if they suit your thumb more.


In my personal experience, I'm more used to mice with a dpi of 1000 or more, so anything underthat seems "slow" as such to me, I like having the high sensativity so that I'm not moving my mouse all over my desk just to get to the other side of the screen (also helps as my mouse pad is tiny), also in games, I use the high sensativity so that I can turn around quickly rather than having to draw the mouse over a spot repeatedly.

But that's my experience, I just prefer big heavy mice with high sensativity, with the HABU I get the best of both

Well, everyone has preferences when it comes to shape, but it is definitely true that gaming mice are better for gaming.

You may have just not been suited to the Logitech, I went from a Microsoft Wheel Mouse to a 518 and, quite the opposite of you, I started playing / aiming much better.

It's down to hand size, preference etc, but don't all write gaming mice off just because one didn't suit you.

I bet if you tried the Deathadder you'd notice a vast difference, and it's similar shape.

I seem to be quite lucky in that my hands have been suited to all the Logitechs and Microsoft mice that I've tried so it just comes down to which mouse has the best features or is most suited to what I want to do. I alternate between a G7 and an Intellimouse v3.0 (original version) quite regularly and I find that it takes me a few seconds to get used to the lower sensitivity of the Intellimouse but otherwise they are both great in their own way.

fen739 said:

Well, everyone has preferences when it comes to shape, but it is definitely true that gaming mice are better for gaming.

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With the greatest respect, I have been gaming at a high level for a number of years, my brother is also a very very good player. He used an old £5 optical mouse for years and has an average kill ratio of 12-1 on CoD 2. He was gutted when that mouse died after 5 years and could not source a replacement. I bought him the Habu for his birthday.. granted he loves it, but if I could have got him his £5 optical he would swap in a second.

I've had an MS Intellimouse 3.0 for about 4 years now, and dont intend to replace it for some time!

I bought one with my first ever complete build 3 months ago, and haven't looked back since . the 2 silver side buttons on the left are a bit hard for me to use properly though, if they were slightly lower down, my long piano fingers could reach em nicely . oh well, overall pretty nice. I had the explorer 2 wireless, and it was pretty nice too, but this tops it. All i need now is a glass mat

-|ScottFree|- said:

With the greatest respect, I have been gaming at a high level for a number of years, my brother is also a very very good player. He used an old £5 optical mouse for years and has an average kill ratio of 12-1 on CoD 2. He was gutted when that mouse died after 5 years and could not source a replacement. I bought him the Habu for his birthday.. granted he loves it, but if I could have got him his £5 optical he would swap in a second.

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That's only because he's so used to it. I'm reckoning anyone who played with the same mouse for 5 years would find the transition hard.

K : D ratio means squat, could be camping for all anyone knows, it's the tracking and pinpoint accuracy that really matter.

Edit: That's why the very best players will (pretty much) never change their settings, as it screws up their gameplay (talking about ingame rather than peripherals)

i have a wireless intelimouse explorer 2 and i love it
although the keyboard in the bundle sucks ***

K : D ratio means squat.. that's absurd. If you killing around 12 people to your 1 death, camping or not, you are good player. The fact he does not camp and his weapon of choice is the KAR 98 both show that he plays at a very high level and achieved all of that with a £5.00 optical cheapo mouse.

The point of the thread is to rebuff the idea that you have to own a very high spec, high DPI, high cost mouse to play at a high standard.

-|ScottFree|- said:

K : D ratio means squat.. that's absurd. If you killing around 12 people to your 1 death, camping or not, you are good player. The fact he does not camp and his weapon of choice is the KAR 98 both show that he plays at a very high level and achieved all of that with a £5.00 optical cheapo mouse.

The point of the thread is to rebuff the idea that you have to own a very high spec, high DPI, high cost mouse to play at a high standard.

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Firstly, I don't play Battlefield, secondly, 12-1 camping does not make you a good player in my book, camping is easy as when done right. Thirdly, I could go on 90% of ET servers and easily attain ratios of 12:1, mostly because the lasrge majority of servers suck. Finally, achieving high scores on publics is not playing at a high level.

I never said you couldn't achieve well on a cheap mouse, I said a decent mouse will help you perform better.

Edit: DPI means nothing to me really as ET suffers from negative accelleration from large DPIs. To me it's all about precision, and as I'm a low sensitivity player, high rates before malfunction.

fen739 said:

Firstly, I don't play Battlefield, secondly, 12-1 camping does not make you a good player in my book, camping is easy as when done right. Thirdly, I could go on 90% of ET servers and easily attain ratios of 12:1, mostly because the lasrge majority of servers suck. Finally, achieving high scores on publics is not playing at a high level.

I never said you couldn't achieve well on a cheap mouse, I said a decent mouse will help you perform.

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I agree, as an RTCW player for around 5 years, I too find most ET servers to be easy to gain a huge amount of kills.

CoD is Call of Duty not Battlefield.

My point is, a mouse is a mouse. Its down to the individual, a gaming mouse will not make a player better, but the ergonomics of a mouse and controlabilty will increase accuracy far more... DPI means nothing. I believe the crucial factor is its structure and weight.

-|ScottFree|- said:

My point is, a mouse is a mouse. Its down to the individual, a gaming mouse will not make a player better, but the ergonomics of a mouse and controlabilty will increase accuracy far more... DPI means nothing. I believe the crucial factor is its structure and weight.

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I agree, but for most people these factors will be in gaming mice like the Mx518 / Deathadder, as that is specifically what they are made for. There are going to be individuals in everything


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-|ScottFree|- said:

CoD is Call of Duty not Battlefield.

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Yeh my bad, knew what it meant, just assumed BF because of stats bias.