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3850 extreme edition review

one thing to notice from that review, great cooling with a zalman style cooler, whys' it cool so well, those fans give something like 15-30cfm(depending on speed/noise level) where the blowers on ati/nvidia card stock design give in the region of 5-10cfm. blowers suck.

dropping a fairly small amount of heat into the case is not really important for any even remotely decent case, the air should be removed almost instantly anyway.


the other thing to point out now is 3870 is available for £135 inc vat now, price it should be. which does make it good value.
 
Heck with those bences its got to be an 8800GT all the way.

???? did we read the same review, the 3850 was close to the more expensive 8800gt most the time and even beat it on occasions. The only really bad thing i can see about this card is the rubbish AA.
 
the other thing to point out now is 3870 is available for £135 inc vat now, price it should be. which does make it good value.

heh sadly not at ocuk.. I'll have to have a look around. I see ocuk generally bundle a game in like Call of Juarez. Is that the case in this instance or rather it says in the add it has it, but I alwayse notice the odd post in the forums that the game didn't come with their order... I may be able to swollow the extra £20 or so if I get a game out of it... not that Call of Juarez really appeals to me lol
 
CoJ isn't altogether a bad game.. my boss had it in work when I built him a new gaming rig (which I worked on for a while). Tried it out a few times. It looks great but had really messed up shadows on the 2900XT at the time.
 
its not awful, its not great either. there was the chance the game could have been brilliant, but, lots of bits lacking. but its not particularly worth a lot of cash.

ocuk are supposed to and should bundle the game. half the posts on ocuk are general people under the idea that say they bought a his card and didn't get the game. but its not bundled by HIS, but rather ocuk, and they got the card elsewhere, so theres a little confusion now and then.

i think gibbo sorts out sending the game out if they get missed out of the order.

one of the aa issues would be, the gddr3 and roughly looking at 1800mhz with those cards, might get up to 2Ghz i guess. but the 3870 is doing 2.5Ghz with the gddr4, thats starting to approach 8800gtx bandwidth numbers, but still lacking compared to the 2900xt. but should help. realistically they need a stock clocked 3850 512mb, stock clocks would mean a cheaper card, so we'd hopefully see one at £115 ish(considering £135 for a full 3870). the fact that most of the 512mb lower cards i've seen seem to be overclocked means price wise they are a fairly pointless card, £10 less for significantly slower mem, £20 saved if you crossfire, its just not worth it.
 
What I want to know is why in just about every review is the 8800 640MB version omited? Are review sites under NDA and not allowed to review the '640 gts vs 512 gt' in order to protect the prices of the 640MB gts?

Also, I was surprised how well the 3850 did in those tests (although it was running at 720Mhz on the core). Very good card if it can be found for a little over £100 -£130(?). [EDIT: AA performance hit is a bit bad though]

(It also shows that the 8800GT is a very good revision.)

Matthew
 
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I think they probably bump up the core clock to justify the extra cost on the 512mb models. It's free performance anyway so doesn't cost the manufacturer anything to do save a week of R&D testing maybe.

I'm very supprised more ATI partners haven't been making a big thing of the pre overclocked cards too. nVidia partners have been doing this for ages now and with significantly longer warrenties too. 1or2 years is a bit of a joke really especially on stock clocked cards. ATI don't seem to fail any more often than nVidia. think ATI/AMD should really sort this out as its even making me want to go for the 10year/Lifetime warranties of nVidias partners. Now that AMD has ATI I would expect them to match the retail warrenty of their CPUs, 3 years.
 
What I want to know is why in just about every review is the 8800 640MB version omited? Are review sites under NDA and not allowed to review the '640 gts vs 512 gt' in order to protect the prices of the 640MB gts?

The 8800gts 640MB origonal has been discontinued for a few months now but a lot of places still have stock. ocuk look to have a few. The 8800gt has destroyed demand for these cards even though it's currently very hard to find people are just waiting rather than makeing a bad buy. the card needs to sell for around £170-200 but it's much higher in some cases.

Exactly the same pricing problems seem to exist for the HD2900xt too. I think all of these cards are dead in the water with the gtx and ultra following. the only people I can see them apealing to really are sli/crossfire users wanting to pop in a second card

It does seem very odd that the 640mb is ommited as I'm sure lots if not most of reviewers have them handy. so yeah im guessing... "we would love to send you a review sample but... ignore the gts in comparisons.. ay lads?"

I think a lot of review sites are more like marketing tools these days. weather by using fake results, faverable benchmarks or omiting hardware comparissons or comparing against improper competition. look for what the users say and how they compare it to their older hardware as everything else just seems like BS...
 
They are stuck in the architecture for now LoadsaMoney, bad call I guess (or bad first time round implementation).

The quote is "R700 has AA fixed". I hope they have performance fixed as well, but hey, then there's the 9 series.

Matthew
 
Overall ATI has got it right and in a couple of weeks You will see £80 3850's they will sell 10-1 over nvidias offering.

I just hope it does not hurt Nvidia to much ! We need compertition.
 
meh, AA performance was massively improved a couple months after the 2900xt release, this card is a significantly lower bandwidth card though compared, thats why the gddr4 version that seems to hit 2.4-2.5Ghz in most reviews that overclocked, is worth the extra £10, plus its likely that the 3870 will have higher stock voltage for the core allowing higher core overclocking(hopefully, yet to be seen, is normally the case).

the biggest/main issue with the card is the 16 rops, which, is limiting to say the least on these cards. its like a funnel, craploads of power at the back end, but it all has to go through the damn narrow part and is slowed down/backed up because of it.

but, if you look, the crysis hotfix for ati has done MASSIVE improvements, i mean silly, its performance could well be beating the 8800gt. thing is, ATi tend to get the industry movement right, they called shader heavy cards a few gens ago, and its still the case now. but when seemingly 75% of the triple a titles are backed by nvidia, optimising engines geared to their tech is inevitable. but in crysis's case, it clearly went shader power heavy. the thing is, cards are really designed starting 3 years before release, teams work on two/three different generations at a time. if the industry suddenly goes off on a tangent you can't easily predict it and it would roughly be 50/50 who would win if one company went brute force, and one went all shader power. but when 75% of the main titles are backed by one of the horses, that 50/50 becomes more like 90/10.

this is something that goes against ATi, but 3-4 years ago when "the way its meant to be played" platform really kicked off they should have forseen it and as it was fairly obvious nvidia were putting in more rops/texture units and less shader power, that maybe they should have simply copied it.
 
Yeah, if they have the AA fixed in the R700, then they should be able to compete again, and R700 could hopefully be up with the 98's, as im amazed how in that review the 3850 is right up with the GT without AA, but when AA's added its absolutely hammered, so imagine what the 2900's/3800's would have been if they had working AA, the 3870 would probably be faster than the GT if the lower 3850 card was matching it.
 
Another point not mentioned much is and I don't know why ATI Cards always to Me seem to give nicer Image quality...anyone else think that ?
 
Coming from a 2900XT to a 8800GT, i would say image quality is identical between the two, though maybe some games will vary.

You don't seem to notice it going to Nvidia only when You go from Nvidia to ATI, It may just be nvidias colour defaults are not as good
 
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