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5800 series vs 400 series with latest drivers

Makes for pretty grim reading for Nvidia

The interesting difference between this and other reviews is these guys used in game tests, not known benchmarks/timedemos

Sad thing is there's no such thing as a bad card, just an overpriced one
 
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wouldn't mind seeing some sli vs crossfire results. These would certainly mute a few arguments around here.
 
I'd like to see some WC'ed and/or oc'ed to the max comparison reviews,

makes sense seeing as most of us are going to overclock them any way.
 
I like this sites benchmarks, recording with fraps the min and average is the way to do it, looking at the results the 5870 is easily a match for a 480, in the average and min FPS, Nvidia's new drivers have done not much at all for single GPU's, I guess fermi is giving all it has got to give.
 
Honestly, want to say HAH! to Nvidia, but its hard to tell, maybe timedemo's(all to often from Nvidia supported games) are biased towards sections that are best on Nvidia hardware, but then maybe these guys found the only sections to run well on AMD cards.

Its very hard to tell and the inherant inconsistancy in real world gaming makes performance difficult to measure, but then, maybe more realistic compared to a benchmark/timedemo.

Thing is, I think its been clear since day one, the 480gtx isn't worth minimum 33% more than a 5870, never has been and never will be. A 10% shift in performance either way won't change that, the price difference was higher than 33% to start with anyway.

However, the most important thing TO ME, in terms of the actual competition as opposed to how well these cards do for end users, largely because I'm very interested in the future of the tech and the market, is the fact that at £400 Nvidia is not making anywhere near the profit AMD is at £300 for a 5870, and likewise Nvidia is almost certainly making a loss on 470gtx's and probably 465gtx's though its very hard to know how many are even being sold of each and what yields are per wafer which changes things dramatically.

Long term Fermi, profits/sales/reputation wise is a freaking disaster, though again I'll point out, if the 480gtx was £250, I'd probably buy one, even with the silly power usage, of course if it was that price, AMD would drop the 5870 to £250 and at the same price, I'd take the lower power usage and easier to manage card which becomes even more manageable in crossfire/trifire should I want to.


What I've been saying since DAY ONE of Fermi though is, drivers are UP TO DATE and mature, theres not a huge amount of performance to gain. Fermi is NOT NEW and was NOT NEW at launch, it was a 6 month old product with the driver team working BEFORE they had hardware, because thats what driver teams do, they had hardware as early as what, July last year, they don't need 50k cards to write a driver and check the driver works or work on optimisations, they don't need a single one to improve the driver, they need a single one to check real world non theoretical performance and find real world shortcuts to better performance. They've had exactly as long as AMD to make a driver for their top card.

AMD's architecture, by design, is FAR more complex to get the performance out of so realistically(as with 10.4) theres more scope for driver/performance increases on AMD hardware than Nvidia at this point, though fixes for new games/broken sli/broken xfire and the likes really don't count for performance improvements, they are performance fixes.
 
I have to laugh as to how much the stock 5850 pawns the gtx 470. :D

It is interesting to note the different in crysis to the flythrough benchmark vs in game real performance.

Is there anything manufacturers can do to tailor their drivers to suit certain games benchmarks but not deliver the same performance in the actual game?
 
I have to laugh as to how much the stock 5850 pawns the gtx 470. :D

It is interesting to note the different in crysis to the flythrough benchmark vs in game real performance.

Is there anything manufacturers can do to tailor their drivers to suit certain games benchmarks but not deliver the same performance in the actual game?

I would say yes to drivers being optimized for in game benchmarks, especially if them games are TWIMTBP titles, as this review has shown, in game performance tells the true story.
 
I totally agree with the way they have done this review. They could have used more AA and AF in some of the games, but on the whole it's well balanced and gives a great idea of real life gaming performance.
 
Is there anything manufacturers can do to tailor their drivers to suit certain games benchmarks but not deliver the same performance in the actual game?

That is exactly what they do.
Read this:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/02/11/benchmarking_benchmarks/1
This is why I only trust reviews on video cards from this site alone.
It's something I've been aware of for years with benchmark programs/in game time demos,
but this is the internet and trying to tell people about this kind of thing often just gets
laughed at so I don't normally bother any more.
 
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What I've been saying since DAY ONE of Fermi though is, drivers are UP TO DATE and mature, theres not a huge amount of performance to gain. Fermi is NOT NEW and was NOT NEW at launch

I felt that would be the case as well. Users have been raving about the latest drivers but I've yet to see any evidence of a big performance boost, only added features like 3d blu-ray support.
 
I think 4xAA is enough, regarding AF, they were just using the in game settings not the drivers IQ settings, so if a game has no option to turn up AF, they don't use any.
 
Fermi owners use it as a complaint about the reviews though. They feel that higher levels of AA show that the fermis are more powerful than the benches make out. TBF, in some of the games in that review all of the cards could have handled a bit more AA.
 
Was going to make a new thread but may as well say it here.

Got my Asus 5870 through the post today and I am blown away.

Arma 2 and BC2 a silky smooth on High now!

I did have a nightmare trying to install the ATI driver though, it kept crashing on install.

A round of driver sweeper, ccleaner and installing .net framework and it worked then.
 
Was going to make a new thread but may as well say it here.

Got my Asus 5870 through the post today and I am blown away.

Arma 2 and BC2 a silky smooth on High now!

I did have a nightmare trying to install the ATI driver though, it kept crashing on install.

A round of driver sweeper, ccleaner and installing .net framework and it worked then.

So it's working in Arma2 then? I thought you said ATI drivers didn't work with it or something.
 
So it's working in Arma2 then? I thought you said ATI drivers didn't work with it or something.

Well they didn't, but just before i posted off the 5770 I found beta builds for arma2, which worked.

My clan mate just bought a GTX480 and was crashing to desktop to. It's really weird. My conclusion is that arma 2 is a buggy POS still lol... all the mods on our clan server I dont think helps either :/
 
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