Z4 sDrive35i DCT

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Keep meaning to get round to doing a thread on this, but a couple of weeks ago I sent my Z4 back to BMW to have an troublesome alarm sensor replaced, and remote roof reinstated. For what turned out to be 5 days, I had this to play with...

The only flappy paddle gearbox I'd previously tried was in a 360, which wasn't nearly as much fun as the manual version, but that was only for a few laps, so as I was going to have this for a few days, I was glad I'd got the DCT, so I could give it a proper try. Everyone seems to be raving about these boxes, be it DSG, SMG, DCT, or PDK, general consensus seem to be that the new dual clutch boxes are a real step up, and as everyone seems to point out, they're quicker to change gear than a manual.


First impressions

From the outside it looks the part, although I'm not a fan of the light coloured kidney grills. Inside is awesome. The optional white extended leather against the piano black trim looks fantastic. Much more grown up than the old one. <3 I-Drive.

Now to figure out how to get the damn thing going. Stamp on thin air with left leg, then press the start button. Not interested in auto mode, so we'll knock the stick accross to sport, and fiddle with the sport settings. Sport+ is the highest of the three settings, so we'll have that. DSC light comes on, but I have little to no talent, so we scale back to normal sport mode. Gently on to the accelerator, aaaaand nothing. Bit moooooore throttle and the turbo kicks in and we're away. Sport mode doesn't equal manual, but a quick flick of the right hand pedal sees to that... Sorted.

Coming up to a roundabout, so stamp on thin air again before changing up from 4th to 6th as I apply the brakes. No idea why, but for some reason the left hand paddle does exactly the same as the right one. It seems you need to press away on either paddle to change down, and pull back to change up. Don't like that.

On to the motorway and it's much quicker than mine, I'm doing 120 and hadn't even noticed, so I back off, go up to 7th, and look for Cruise Control, which it dosen't have. Don't like that.

One truck tries to overtake another, and the fast lane grinds to a halt while someone else tries to over take at bang on 70. After what feels like an age, traffic clears, so with a clear road, I drop to 3rd and go for it. Or rather I don't, because the ******* gearbox hasn't sorted it's life out yet. Don't like that.

External noise is noticably different. I think there's less wind noise, but more tyre noise, very odd.

Off the motorway, and with heavy rain down to a couple of spots, time for the roof to come off, which takes much longer than mine, albeit not as long as it takes for the seats to heat up, as there's no heated seats. Dual zone climate control, but no heated seats or cruise control. Why?

It makes a cracking noise with the roof down, but in a completely different way to mine. You'd never guess they were both straight sixes, as this has a more, engineered, more processed sound which on occaison has the same quality as an Italian V8.

And that was pretty much it. It's faster, but only when the gearbox (which I still hate) gets it's act together, which often means it's only noticeably quicker at license losing speeds. The gearbox stops me thrashing it to within an inch of it's life. I can't wring it's neck like I can with mine. Even in sport mode it always changes up 200rpm before I'm ready to. Very fustrating. More grown up, but not as much fun. Feels more of a GT than a sports car. More 6 series cab than a Z4. I don't care that it is faster, because it doesn't feel like it's going as fast.

The steering wheel is much chunkier than mine, and very nice for it. The seats are much more supportive, but not as warm (Grrr!), and the pretty interior as a couple of dirty marks in places, while the piano black trim has a few light scratches in. Very pretty, but after only 2500 miles, you have to doubt the longevity.

But you get a 10(!) number plate, and for this you are expected to hand over £44k, or late thirties and the keys to mine. A 2003 3.0 manual Z4 with 97k on the clock is far from the last word in driving pleasure, but it is far, far more than 20% of a 2010 sDrive 3.5i DCT.

Which is something of a nuisance, because unless a manual gearbox transforms the new Z4, it's a potential replacement to mine scratched off the list.
 
Posting in potentially epic thread.
You seem to have found lots of negatives and very few positives :/
 
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I like your reviewing style :D. Not having cruise is quite odd however.

Though yeah, how'd you wangle a Z4 35i? I swear all BMW here ever give out is 320Ds :(.
 
The manual box was a disappointment I found and was hoping the 7sp DSG would be better.

However it was effortlessly quick, although I can imagine it felt a lot heavier than the 'old' Z4? Its a 1600kg car, it's definately more of a GT car
 
Hmmm, dissapointed to hear what you thought of the DCT box. I took out an E93 335i DCT last year and enjoyed what I initially found but you dont really get to know something on a quick test drive. What you describe is exactly what I hate about most autos.
 
I'm always left perplexed by the seemingly random options that BMWs come with. Does anybody spec sensibly any more?

The lack of cruise baffles me!

And this. Seriously, change the ****ing record.
Although at least it was font size twelfty.

I'm glad you've noticed as well! He's like a recycling plant, seems to just repeat at random stuff other people have said elsewhere, but out of context. Ie 'posting in an epic thread' in here and 'your Focus was much better your car is crap' in a thread about fixing a washer jet on a car thats in warranty?!
 
I've never driven an SMG II or DCT gearbox. Whilst i understand the differences in them, which is quicker/nicest to drive with?
 
[TW]Fox;17574314 said:
DCT > SMG

This is fairly obvious from the differences between them!

Obviously, but i've seen people rave about the SMGII gearbox's yet the OP (and you i think said it was just "good"?) doesn't like the DCT gearbox at all and says it's slow to respond?
 
[TW]Fox;17574175 said:
I'm glad you've noticed as well! He's like a recycling plant, seems to just repeat at random stuff other people have said elsewhere, but out of context. Ie 'posting in an epic thread' in here and 'your Focus was much better your car is crap' in a thread about fixing a washer jet on a car thats in warranty?!
Why is this solely aimed at me, not just me posting unrelated crap is it now? :rolleyes:. Anyway I'll stop now and go back to my old posting style.
 
I'm always left perplexed by the seemingly random options that BMWs come with. Does anybody spec sensibly any more?


STOP POSTING THIS!


And this. Seriously, change the ****ing record.
Although at least it was font size twelfty.
Why should I stop posting that?
It is worth it alone for the amusing responses I get from people like you.
 
Why should I stop posting that?
It is worth it alone for the amusing responses I get from people like you.

It just annoys everyone. You seem to offer an opinion on everything, often in inappropriate places when you have no experience of er, anything. I don't have experience of most things either, so I can't comment on how good a car is to drive or the like, and as such I tend not to offer my insight into a lot of threads anymore, as it's pretty much worthless.

OcUK, and motors in particular, is a place where kids stick out like a sore thumb, unlike any other community I've been a part of; there are so many people here who have the knowledge and experience, so it's easy to spot those that don't, especially when they just repeat the same old crap.
 
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It just annoys everyone. You seem to offer an opinion on everything, often in inappropriate places when you have no experience of er, anything. I don't have experience of most things either, so I can't comment on how good a car is to drive or the like, and as such I tend not to offer my insight into a lot of threads anymore, as it's pretty much worthless.

OcUK, and motors in particular, is a place where kids stick out like a sore thumb, unlike any other community I've been a part of; there are so many people here who have the knowledge and experience, so it's easy to spot those that don't, especially when they just repeat the same old crap.
For the record, I know why I should stop posting that. I was just interested to see his response. :)
You are correct though. Seeing the massive negative response I seem to recieve I may just stop posting here.
 
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a) How did you wrangle a new z4 as a courtesy from your old z4?! Lucked it?

Disappointing review, but understandable as you'd assume the new Z4 would be a logical upgrade from the current one. It may still be as by the time I lose enjoyment in my 03 I think i'll be old enough to want a bit of comfort.. but also have the top down.
 
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How did you brag a Z4 35i as a courtesy car. I always get handed low-end 1/3 series.

I mentioned that Simon had bagged one on a 4 day testdrive, and gave a shortlist of potential next cars I was considering.

The guy who booked it apparently set an e-mail to sales, who didn't respond.

The car went in, and I finished up with some off road Nissan Shed (Adventura?) for a couple of days.

I was having a service done, and reported issues with a squeaky window and the alarm going off.

They replaced the interior sensor, but when I locked and unlocked the car, the indicators didn't flash. I mentioned this as I'd started to just lock the car with the key, and the indicators didn't flash, and the alarm didnt go off (I figured that meant the alarm was armed?). They brought the key back and remote roof didn't work anymore.

The ditzy service assistant palmed me off onto the service manager, who promised me he'd find someone that could reinstate remote roof (apparently they can't do it due to H&S).

I was on leave the following week, and wound up stranded in the middle of a cornish valley while the alarm had apparently been going off (for the fourth time since it'd been fixed), as the battery was flat.

I expressed my discontent to the Service Manager when I got back, and pointed out that no-one had got in touch about a potential new toy...

A week later I had a new toy to play with... :D
 
I like your reviewing style :D. Not having cruise is quite odd however.

Though yeah, how'd you wangle a Z4 35i? I swear all BMW here ever give out is 320Ds :(.

Not quite as eloquent as some (read:most) no doubt... :o

I'd actually quite like to try a 320D. w/~170bhp and 50mpg, an ED wagon makes a credible mule to abuse either while keeping SFTW or in a few years when they're cheaper to buy, as a cheaper means of doing my 30k commute.

The manual box was a disappointment I found and was hoping the 7sp DSG would be better.

However it was effortlessly quick, although I can imagine it felt a lot heavier than the 'old' Z4? Its a 1600kg car, it's definately more of a GT car

I found it lazily quick most of the time. It didn't reward working it hard. Some times it'd take off like it's arse was on fire, while at other it seemed to bog. I'm not sure how much of this was the driver, the turbo'd engine, or the gearbox.

The weight was one of two things I forgot to mention. I find myself in a difficult position with my current steed value wise, and was relying/worried that 30% extra power would really tell when I got back into mine. The reality was that either the weight, the turbo'd engine or the gearbox blunted the performance differnce in 2 figures to negligable levels. It's streets ahead above in 3 figures, but I've always had more interest in feeling fast than going fast...

[TW]Fox;17573999 said:
Hmmm, dissapointed to hear what you thought of the DCT box. I took out an E93 335i DCT last year and enjoyed what I initially found but you dont really get to know something on a quick test drive. What you describe is exactly what I hate about most autos.

That's an interesting point for two reasons. First, I thought you'd like the car. Certainly the interior, but also the grown up feel. Secondly, that's exactly what it is, an auto. A non-torque converting, more economical, more involving auto. And that's fine, but with the marketing BS around it being quicker than a manual, and more concerningly being exclusively available in the M3 CSL and the 458 Italia, I had it down as being an evolution of the manual gearbox. Rotty likes his kit, had swore by his M3 SMG. Gibbo isn't shy whn it comes to cars, and loved SMG i his CSL. I figured my indifference was based on a few laps in an early implementation of the technology, but it isn't. Consequently the De Le Coure video and the Housey thread re the GT3 RS do nothing to reassure me that my dream end game is Italian afterall.

I don't doubt that much of my problem is my lack of talent (felt like a god winning my APCC heat, then got completely and utterly owned in the final), but my what remains of my ego insists that much of this ability can only really be appreciated on track. I haven't been on track, and if I did it wouldn't be in anything of value, so I can park my inability to afford that level of kit behind the pretence that I wouldn't have either anyway. honest.
 
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I actually had a weeks loan of a 320d M Sport and to be honest it's what convinced me to give the 3 Series serious consideration. It really grows on you - the engine is pretty good for a 2 litre diesel but it isnt a fast car by any stretch of the imagination. It makes you feel its quicker than it actually is with the turbo surge and very nearly got me into trouble on a several car overtake on the A35 :/
 
a) Disappointing review, but understandable as you'd assume the new Z4 would be a logical upgrade from the current one. It may still be as by the time I lose enjoyment in my 03 I think i'll be old enough to want a bit of comfort.. but also have the top down.

You made it into a Z?! Ignore the fact that 'made it' could be taken to be pretentious, I've done a DiamondMark, and had couple of beers... I knew you'd been after one forever, but didn't know you'd taken the plunge...

How are you finding it? Was it worth the wait? What spec/etc?

The upgrade thing is difficult.

I couldn't understand the obsession this country has with softtops given that both sunny days a year are invaribly during the week when you're in the office. But it's so much more than that. If you go fast enough, you don't get wet in all but the most miserable conditions, and the warm arse/burnt face/frost on the ground combo takes a lot of beating.

I took a chance on the Z as I was originally looking for another 330Ci Sport (albeit 'fully loaded') having binned my first one. Headrat mentioned he was selling his, which was when I realised that the E85 was an E46 that had traded rear seats and a roof for rattles. The rest is history.

I've read Scuzi and Fox talking about the harshness of the Z4M, and has all but discounted that, as while I like an involving drive, I'm slowly growing into a fat businessman and subsequently need a German interior to trim my waistline and reinstate my original hairline. I figured the new Z with it's hard top roof and gorgeous interior was the answer (albeit in a few years when people started to realise that £40k is Porsche (one syllable!) money).

The other issue is fuel economy. My Z4 3.0 books at ~30mpg, and I get ~27mpg. The riduclouslylongandobscurelynamednewone also books at ~30mpg, but I only got ~22mpg (according to IDrive) over the course of ~500 miles. Aside from the cost, range is an issue doing 30k a year.

Given that I didn't rate the new Z, and the fact that there's not a huge choice of 6cyl 2 seaters, I'm either back to the Z4M, a 3.0Si or a 987S...
 
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