HST tweaked for strength

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This is basically a roundup of some thoughts I’ve had about HST, and the results I’ve had tweaking the program slightly to accommodate some other training styles. This is partially for my own reference and to keep track of things (add epic thursday midday boredom to that list too), but I also thought I’d share some of the things I’d learnt. This is going to be long, and I’m not sorry :p

To add some context, the HST cycle that I’ve just completed was the 4th cycle I’ve done. The previous three were done a few years ago with varying degrees of adherence, but none the less I saw some good results.

First of all some general HST housekeeping.

For those that don’t know, Hypertrophy Specific Training is a 3 day a week, 6-8 week cycle that includes 3 rep range phases consisting of full body workouts. 2 weeks at 15 reps, 2 weeks at 10 reps, and 2-4 weeks at 5 reps. Rep maxes are calculated for each phase prior to starting. The original program advises 1-2 sets for the first 4 weeks, and then either 3 or 5 sets of 5 for the remainder. I’ve always done 2x15 and 2x10 as I prefer the volume. I also prefer 5x5 for the same reason, but this is less important (iirc Mark Rippetoe prefers 3x5). In each phase the load is increased per workout to a pre-established rep max. Traditionally, rest times are kept around 1-2 minutes.

Cardio is optional, but if you do it you need to take it easy. No HIIT, for example, just some nice short steady state. Make sure you eat enough; it’s not uncommon for appetite to increase. Also remember that the whole point of this program is to grow, and you will do provided you follow the basics.

The rest can be read here (also useful as I’ve probably made minimal sense so far):
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html
This goes over the general set up of the program and the theory behind it all (worth a read).

Here is a FAQ which covers most questions I could think of:
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.info/iB_html/uploads/HST_Faq_book.pdf

Also worth mentioning is Benny’s training log which is a great example of how it’s done and includes a good sample setup
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18218442


Ok onto the meat of this post.

As of last summer I started dabbling in powerlifting. I don’t take it too seriously, but I’m enjoying it as a hobby for the time being. Competed in my first comp last November which was good fun *cough*I came second in my weight class*cough*. However because of focusing on powerlifting I found that I lost a bit of mass in places. This could probably be avoided by employing smarter training strategies, but regardless I decided I’d quite like to mix things up with a higher volume routine now and again. HST is an obvious choice because it’s worked well in the past, but I wanted to add some of what I’d learned about strength training into the program. I did this knowing I would lose some of the hypertrophic effect of the program, but I hoped I’d see some additional strength results.

Usefully, HST already employs things like submaximal loads and progressive overload, which made my job a lot easier as such things are useful tools in strength training. Here is what I did.

I kept the same basic exercise setup that I’ve used before, which was to split the routine into A and B workouts (got the idea from Chongwarrior/Bison). This means doing each workout 3 times in each 2 week phase; light, medium and heavy (typically only with a 5kg difference though). I would also cut out all isolation exercises for the 5 rep phase as I’d done before, and make the 5 rep phase last for 4 weeks or 6 A and B workouts.

A Day (15s and 10s)
Squat
SLDL
Incline DB bench
Pullup
Dips
HC2PP
Calf raise

B Day (15s and 10s)
Front squat
SLDL
Bench
BOR
Seated Arnold Press
CGBP
Bicep curls
Calf raises

And for the 5s:
A Day
Squat
Pullup
Dips
HC2PP

B Day
Deadlift
Bench
BOR
Shoulder press

Now come the changes. The first is fairly obvious and I’d probably recommend that every HST cycle should include it. Make the final workout of each day (“A” and “B”) in the first two phases slightly heavier than your tested rep max. For my A and B day setup, this means that the second workout for each day in the phase is just under my pre-established max, and the third day is slightly over (e.g 15 rep max for squat tested at 120kg, I then set my 1st workout at 112kg, 2nd 117.5kg, 3rd 122.5kg). This means you’re hitting a PB every two weeks, which is nice. However, as per the original program, it’s quite important that you don’t ever fail on an exercise.

Other than that the 15s were left alone. This phase is really important for conditioning the body so I wanted to make sure it was still doing it’s job, so rest times stayed as low as possible. The 10s however, were treated to far more aggressive weight ramping. Instead of getting a 2.5kg pb, I’d aim for 5kg or higher (so a tested max might be put on the second workout). The last time each exercise was executed in the phase the first set was sometimes increased by a small amount but regardless of this, the final set was always increased to the maximum I thought I could do without failing. These changes obviously came at the expense of rest times, which sometimes ended up at 3-4 minutes. In normal HST the rest times are kept low to increase hypertrophy, so this was a conscious trade off. I’d say I definitely ended up sacrificing some size gains, but I was more than happy with the higher PBs. Another thing to note is that with normal HST it’s not really that important to hit PBs, the most important thing is to progressively increase the load. This has the same hypertrophic benefit even if the load is below your max (or so the theory goes).

The phase that underwent the biggest change was the 5 rep phase. Here rest times went out of the window, but actually it wasn’t about going crazily heavy at first. Here comes some strength training geekery. Contrary to what seems obvious, the best strength gains are not found by training at a high % of your 1 rep max. For example if your bench 5 rep max is 100kg, training with a sets of 5x~100kg will most likely see your 5 rep max stay where it is (something which I see all the time). Similarly, training with you’re 1rm will provide very little benefit, and will actually serve to overload your CNS and can even make you weaker. At the very best it’s a great way to injure yourself. Instead, what you end up seeing is the majority of strength coming from training at around 70-80% (some more info here: http://gubernatrix.co.uk/2010/08/does-lifting-more-always-mean-you-get-stronger/). This also means you shouldn’t be going anywhere near failure; just because the weights are lighter, DON’T do more reps. Additionally, every single rep you do should be performed explosively (only exception being very light warm-ups if you are a little tight somewhere), making sure to fully contract all the relevant muscles. All too often strength nuggets (genuine powerlifting parlance right there :p) are missed by not performing the concentric portion of the lift as fast as possible. The same can be said for form; there is very little point in performing the rep at all if the form is crappy. The last point can not be stressed enough as part of the benefit of training at lower percentages is that you are training your entire neuro-muscular to execute better (think about all the smaller supportive muscles as well), which ends up being wasted if you’re training it in the wrong directions.

So with this in mind I started the 5 rep phase very light for the deadlift, squat and bench, while the other exercises followed a more standard progression. For the first two weeks this meant I was basically doing speed work and it felt painfully light. If the weight wasn’t being shifted fast enough I lowered it (for some reason I was generally quite slow after the 10s), taking into account that I wanted the reps to be fast for at least two weeks worth of workouts (3 of both A and B). But as I got towards the 4th and final week I started to increase the weights more aggressively. Interestingly, I found that the speed stayed quite high right up until the end. The second to last session of each day was still quite fast, which was great. On the final session, I decided that I was going to ramp up to what I guessed my new 5 rep max was, increasing by 5kg with each set.
Unfortunately at this stage my shoulder injury ruled out heavy benching, but squat and deadlift were due for a beasting.

Remembering there were going to be 6 workouts for each exercise, the weights went roughly as follows (all 5x5. I’m using a “*” to designate what were effectively speed days):
Squat: 157.5kg*, 162.5kg*, 167.5kg*, 172.5kg*, [175kg far too easy, ramped to 185kg], [ramped to 190kg]
Deadlift: 170kg*, 175kg*, 180kg*, 185kg*, 190kg, [ramped to 210kg]
Bench: 85kg*, 90kg*, 95kg, 100kg, 105kg (not completed; sore shoulder), [not ramped :’(]

Here’s what happened to my PBs.

As of November 22nd last year, my 1rms were 120kg bench (although this was a double, damn you shoulder), 210kg deadlift, 200kg squat (already an increase of 30kg from 3months prior). I didn’t really calculate my 5rms going into HST because they were going to start so low, but they were around 110kg bench, unknown deadlift, and about 170kg squat.

The 5 rep max hit at the end of HST (4th Feb) were: unknown bench (not tested due to injury, but probably not much different), 210kg deadlift, 190kg squat. It’s even possible the squat number is higher, but I wasn’t happy pushing it without competent spotters around. This puts my projected 1rms way past my old PBs, ~235kg and ~215kg respectively.

I’m not suggesting that anyone try what I did, but you are more than welcome to. It’s worth pointing out that it’s entirely possible that I would have had similar or even better gains from training differently (mostly considering that I'd recently added 30kg to my squat with a different program), but compared to how I’ve done HST in the past this method is definitely better for strength. My brother (djdom56) did the same program as me and saw equally good strength increases while putting on some decent mass (although I forget his actual numbers). I’d say that I actually lost a small amount of lean mass that I put on at the beginning of the cycle, but this doesn’t bother me (and it’s possible it was just glycogen stores). I’m going to run this exact program again at some point, partially because this time it was interrupted by Christmas and New Year and a couple of injuries. In hindsight I probably should have chosen more gentle increments for my bench, but who knows.

Next up for me is testing my new 1rms next week (which I’ll post in here for reference) and then I’ll move on to my new and improved (hopefully) powerlifting program.
 
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have a bash

Too much info! :p

Tl:dr, will read it tonight and post some proper thoughts but very briefly I think the high frequency and low volume is key to increasing strength. I was very pleased with my strength increases in the 6 week period.

Have you looked at SST? (Strength specific training). Over on the official HST forums there is a little info on it which you might find useful :)
 
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lol yeah it became quite long. If only I could write so fast for important things!

Benny, yeah I've seen that and will have a proper read at some point. At the moment though I've almost set my next powerlifting program in stone, but I'll see what I can pick up.
 
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Just as a brief little note for anyone who is interested, I have just finished the same program as icecold and have noticed some solid increases in strength:

Deadlift: 1RM-175kg, end of HST cycle 5RM-175kg
Squat: 1RM-150kg, end of HST cycle 5RM-145kg
Bench: 1RM-90kg, end of HST cycle 5RM-85kg

(All of initials were November 22nd)
 
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It's been hard for me to gauge my 1RM increases as I didn't do them before or after but most of my single set 5rm's I was busting out for 3 sets with ease where as previously I'd of failed in the middle of the second set.

I set some PB's too.

100KG bench up from 3 reps x 1 set to 110KG x 5 reps x 3 sets.
Dips + 40KG (Pb in itself) 5 reps x 3 sets.
Pullups plus 20KG 5 reps x 3 sets. Was struggling with 10KG for 5 reps before

Etc etc list goes on.

Hoping to break my bench PB of 125KG on Friday :)

Will reply properly to the OP later this evening.
 
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Yeah its kind of nice to compare the squat/deadlift/bench numbers (i.e. the ones with the tweaks) to the other lifts.

As a general rule, the others only seemed to increase by 5-7.5kg. Again, this isn't a totally fair test, but it does give a rough estimate of a baseline.
 
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Update 1: Deadlift 1 rep max

Felt a bit crappy today, little niggles in my groin and lower back. Decided to do the session anyway and remember to not be too disappointed with the result.

Went as follows:
110x5
160x5
180x1
190x1
200x1
210x1 (old PB, recently done for 5 reps at the end of HST)
220x1 PB
225x1 PB
230x1 PB!

Kaboom :D

Still a little more in the tank, perhaps closer to 240 with everything feeling good. Really pleased as it is though.

Next up, bench.
 
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Wow, that's quite a jump! I've just started a pretty standard HST routine with a 210kg 1RM deadlift, I'll be amazed if it increases at all though because it was 175kg just a couple of months ago.

What sort of powerlifting routine are you going to follow now then? I just ask because I plan to do something similar after a couple of cycles of HST but it'll be my first time dabbling with powerlifting.
 
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Your deadlift should increase slightly, but I'd be surprised to see it go up by more than 10kg on standard HST.

RE my powerlifting program, it's hard to descibe without posting the entire thing, which I'm going to do in the next week or so. But on the deadlifting front it involves deficit and deads from 18" (aka rack pulls) and lower.

250kg in no time ;)
 
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Update 2: Bench 1 rep max

Wasn't expecting any increase really, not benched in a month having had to cut off training towards the end of HST. I've been focusing on shoulder rehab since then, and it seems to have helped a lot.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...formance_repair/pushups_face_pulls_and_shrugs

This is a slightly different approach to shoulder health, well worth a read.

Anyway, I limited the time I spent testing my bench and got 122.5kg. This is still a slight increase, so at least I haven't lost anything which was my major concern. The best news is that I had minimal shoulder discomfort afterwards, so it looks like I can start attacking it properly.
 
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Update 3: Squat

Damn damn damn.

I was looking forward to this all week (lol sad??) and it was a non-starter. Warming up my groin felt tight, so I thought I'd maybe only push it as far as 210kg.

barx15
90x8
120x5
140x5
did a little stretching to try and loosen up my groin, didn't work :p
170x1
190x1 easy, but form felt a little off
200x1 form was baaaad. It felt horrible, was too far forward and I felt it in my groin quite a bit.
205x1 PB. Form was much better, but still felt it in my groin. Still moved well, but decided I was definitely stopping at 210kg.
210x.......oh no, not yet there is someone going for a deadlift PB so there aren't enough plates. No biggie, I'll wait. Oh your going heavier and want to put your suit on? Fine. Velcro on suit slipping as you drop to grab the bar so need to re-suit-up? Cool. Again? Cool. Oh you used a different bar and liquid chalk and it slipped out of your hand above your knee? Ok.

Finally he did it, 350kg so awesome, but by now THIRTY MINUTES HAD PASSED! *sigh*
Didn't have time to warm up again so I had to just go for it, unsurprisingly 210kg failed at my sticking point. ****.

So frustrated. I KNOW I'm good for 215kg, but now I really have to wait a few weeks. But at the same time I need to move on with my training so I've basically decided to skip testing it. I'm only doing this because 190x5 was so good, and also it will be ~8 weeks before I go over 200kg again with my new training program.

So in summary, ****, but it's time to move forward.
 
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In more positive news, I've worked out that at 85kg with my target weights I'd have a Wilks of over 400.

In hindsight cutting before a 1rm test probably wasn't the best idea. I dropped about 4kg in 2 weeks without meaning to be that aggressive, but at 91kg I still have a little way to go. I've decided that I'm going to continue dropping bodyfat for a little while, more or less so I can blame my lower than expected PBs on it :p
 
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A little update to keep everything in one place.

Current routine is going very well.

I'm doing a lot more assistance work compared to the last time I did a powerlifting program, and I'm also focusing quite heavily on mobility work and making sure everything is pain free and smooth. I'm still tweaking my form, which I think I'm going to get some gains from on it's own.

Squats started off quite slowly. I initially found 6x3x172.5kg quite hard, to the extent that someone asked if I wanted a spot :o. I don't know why this happened as I'd only recently done 190kg for 5 reps, I guess something I did during my deload weeks threw me off. 6x6 at the same weight last week was easy. The weights go up this week to 5x5x182.5kg which should be fine, but I'm a little intimidated by the prospect of going for 225kg in 5 weeks!

Bench has had a small hiccup :( my shoulder is feeling a little aggravated after mondays session (it was suggested that I was benching too low on my chest, it turns out I wasn't). HOPEFULLY it'll be ok with a bit of rest, I'm going to be gutted if it isn't (3 months of rehab work down the drain...).

I'm feeling good about my deadlift again. Grip is getting back to being ok, I accidentally did double overhand for my first set of 6x187.5kg last week. I'm doing them tonight so it'll be a good test to see if I can stay consistent, it's 5x5x200kg which technically should still be easy but the important thing is going to be keeping my form really tight and keeping it fast off the ground. The slight changes to my form have helped a lot, and I can see 250kg being possible.

My weight has fluctuated a lot since coming home for easter, but I'm now back to just over 88kg. Hopefully I can drop a few more kgs and stay around 85kg, but that is going to be tough.
 

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Sounds like you are making some good progress mate. I feel your pain about bench press, I've basically stopped doing them now all together until I can find a way that doesn't upset my shoulder. Been doing incline DB press with the 50kg DBs but this is on a mass routine, not sure what I'm going to do on my strength routine as there are no DBs above 50kg.
 
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