Fresh instal on Lenovo ideapad u410

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hey all, hoping someone could help me out a bit here. bought this laptop off the people in purple a few months back.

overall i'am happy with the laptop... i'm not so happy with windows 8 however....damn piece of ****!!!

so I am looking to put windows 7 onto it, also to get rid of some of the unused bloat software. however, after some googling it might not be as easy. the laptop has 2 hard drives, a 24GB ssd (which only appears to have drivers on) and a 500GB mechanical driver (which is split into several smaller drives, mainly the recovery drive and main use).

now ideally I'd want to instal the OS to the ssd and then all following software and such to the mechanical drive. but people have been having issues even just trying to install either to the partitions or after wiping everything.

I don't really fancy borking my laptop so does anyone have any useful information that could help me please :)
 
Are you sure it's definitely an ssd, not a diagnostic partition? Definitely 24gb, not 24mb, you've confirmed this in 'disk management'?

If it came with w7 the recovery partition would most likely be the simplest way to restore back to w7 but did you use that as the basis for your upgrade to w8? If so you'd need to check what the down grade process is so that the w7 licence activates.

If it really does have an ssd I'd suspect it's being used to cache the hdd which I think is a more appropriate use of it considering its size. If this is the case you should have intel rapid storage technology running in the system tray. Clicking on this will open the app for that which will tell you if its cacheing / accelerating the hdd.
 
thanks for the response, yes i'm pretty sure it's 24GB in size, i did look in disk management to see how the drives were split. I also believe you are probably correct in that it uses the SSD as a caching drive, hence why these win8 laptops are instant on and off from sleep.

i'll double check with the intel rapid storage app when I get in.

I'm not 100% but I don't think it has a windows 7 recovery on there, only windows 8. My plan was to do a fresh install from USB (imagine recover would load it back up with stuff I don't want).

so if it is being used as a cache, would I be able to set that up again if I were to do a fresh install onto the HDD? i.e. is it easy to configure SSD caching?

I'm just worried from the stories i've read of people formatting and then windows failing to install then not being able to access bios etc etc... just don;t want to end up with an expensive paperweight lol
 
The instant on and off from sleep could be due to a different Intel technology, 'Intel Rapid Start'. You can tell if its also been configured to use this by looking in the bios to see whether 'Intel Rapid Start' has been enabled and in 'Disk Management' whether the SSD has been partitioned with a small hibernate partition.

Can you post a screen shot of 'Disk Management' just to see the whole picture.

I assume your laptop came with w8 to start with then and in that case the recovery partition is likely only to have w8.

Personally whilst things are working I would look into creating a drive image of the recovery partition with something like Clonezilla so that you have this to fall back on. That will allow you to restore the laptop to its original state should you ever wish to, perhaps if you choose to sell it at some point.

Yes it is possible to set up the caching again and is pretty straight forward.

The reason some people are borking reinstalls is if it's using caching then it should be turned off in the Intel Rapid Storage app prior to wiping drives and re-installing, otherwise the SSD will still be the boot with old OS files on it I think but where it doesn't have a file it will look to the hdd and find a different OS too and result in expected issues. When it comes to this take a screen shot of 'Disk Management' screen prior to switching off caching. I'm not sure if the HDD or the SSD stays as the bootable drive before and after switching the caching off.

Also check the size and position of the recovery partition. When I did a laptop at xmas it had the recovery partition at the start of the drive and would have been much better if it were after / to the right of the system partition. If it had been like this I could have shrunk the system partition and used the resulting unallocated space to add to the recovery partition. I was going from Vista to W8 so the original recovery partition was too small for a w8 image, yours might be more generous to start with depending on what was used to create the recovery image there.

Once the caching has been switched off you can use some appropriate ssd tools to do a secure wipe of the ssd (not the hibernate partition if it has one as it will save recreating it again later) rather than formatting it which isn't good for ssd's.

Acquire the latest version Intel Rapid Storage RAID driver, there's a floppy disk version you can save to a usb drive and supply this during the w7 install at the point where you choose the partition to install to.

Before you start the W7 install make sure you've set the hard disk controller to RAID.

You can use the install process when you select the partition to install to, to format the target hdd partition.

There's also another Rapid Storage RAID package which has the app in it which you can download and install after installing W7. You use the app to turn the caching back on. Before you do this you would decide if you want the Intel Rapid Start for fast hibernate. If you do then you need to create a small hibernate partition on the SSD if it isn't already there, which is equal in size to the size of your system RAM, i.e. for 8GB the size of the partition would be 8192 and you would set the id of the partition to '84' upon creation, so if this partition needs to be created it needs to be done in 'diskpart' from a command prompt.

Download the latest Intel Rapid Start driver but before installing it, reboot into the bios and turn this feature on if it isn't already. Reboot into Windows and install Rapid Start and reboot.

Install the Rapid Storage RAID package to get the app installed and go into this and turn on the caching which will give you the option of how much of the SSD to use for this. At this point if you did the Rapid Start first you can just choose to use the whole of the main SSD partition.

Reboot here for good measure, the caching will start to rebuild as you now continue to use the system.

Continue with post install tasks such as acquiring W7 drivers, Windows updates, tweaks, some software then i'd create a new image using the W7 File Recovery option in the Control Panel and save this to the recovery partition.

Then I continue at this point installing software that I might not stay with long term such as Virus software which I wouldn't want in the image if I restore from the image it saves having to then uninstall such software before loading whatever has been chosen as the new solution.
 
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ah thanks, some good info there, i'll post up some pics tonight.

firstly of all i believe you are right about the recovery only having windows 8, I haven't looked too much into it but i did have a quick nose.

secondly, after turning off the caching and such.... why do i need to set the hdd controller to raid in the biso when it's ahci normally?

also i'm not sure if the 24GB ssd is actually split into anything. if i remember from what i saw last night it was just the one drive which had driver files on it.
 
I think the Intel Rapid Storage requires the disk controller to be in RAID mode as the caching uses that, without it I don't think you'll have the option to turn caching on/off in the Rapid Storage app.

I'm currently a bit puzzled to how your ssd is being used but the screen shot of 'Disk Management' should shed some light on it.
 
I think the Intel Rapid Storage requires the disk controller to be in RAID mode as the caching uses that, without it I don't think you'll have the option to turn caching on/off in the Rapid Storage app.

I'm currently a bit puzzled to how your ssd is being used but the screen shot of 'Disk Management' should shed some light on it.

you and me both..... as it's ahci in the bios.... so maybe a software raid that initialises each boot? who knows.... we'll see
 
so yea... it's more like 22GB, and split.... and the other drive is split up loads xD
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So have you formatted the SSD partitions?

Is the HDD partitions unchanged from when you got the laptop?

If so, It looks like the first 3 partitions on the HDD relate to Lenovo tools, one of them probably relates to their own drive image software with the recovery image most likely in the last partition on the right.

Does this laptop have 4GB of RAM?

Any idea what is on the D: partition?

One of the HDD partitions might have copies of installation software in addition to the recovery image.

I wouldn't touch any of the HDD partitions other than the C: drive but am curious to what the D: drive is for?
 
nope, haven't formatted anything.

the D drive has the drivers and mcafee AV installer on it. can only see C and D in my computer.

yea the laptop has 4GB of ram.

just tried using the recovery key. would wipe the laptop with a fresh image as I first had it. so that's on one of the disks.

so probable course of action would be disable that chaching, then do a fresh install to C only, then re enable the cahcing after and use the recover tool to create an image of that for future?
 
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The SSD is likely being used as part of Intel Smart Response as a cache drive. It caches commonly used files from the mechanical hard disk to improve the performance when loading Windows and Applications. The other non-mounted partitions will contain the Lenovo utilities for backup and system recovery of the OS and are quite normal on one of their laptops.
 
just had a nosey and there's some software called "diskeeper corperation" and in the read me that seems like it's the caching program
 
Interesting - I guess Diskeeper diversified a bit. Appears to be software installed after the OS that does a similar function to Intel Smart Response, but works on just about any system rather than being tied into certain Intel chipsets.

https://www.condusiv.com/partners/oem/technologies/expresscache/

Appears that you'd just format the drive and install Windows 7, then install and enable ExpressCache after the system is setup. Must a be a download available from Lenovo as OEM software.
 
The reason I asked about the SSD being formatted is that your screen shot is showing it as being 100% free space.

If you look in 'Programs and Features' (right click bottom left start menu' or windows key + x). Is 'Intel Rapid Storage Technology', 'Intel Rapid Start', 'Diskeeper' or 'ExpressCache' installed? Similarly what apps are running in the System Tray?

When you say you found the Diskeeper / ExpressCache software is this just on the partition where you have the option to install it if you wish?

According to the following specs it does appear that model would have the Intel Technologies employed but there is a caveat stating the installed software can vary by country.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tech-specs/laptop/ideapad/u-series/u410/

It may be if the 'Diskeeper' / 'ExpressCache' isn't actually installed, that it is there as part of a standard image of Lenovo's software that is used across their range but only applicable to some models.

The other reason it may be there is because the Intel specs state a minimum SSD size requirement (post format) of 18.6GB. Not sure if that size limit is enforced when it comes to try and enable the Intel Smart Response / Caching or whether it is just a recommended minimum.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...nYGAAw&usg=AFQjCNEQfiTHf_v4myigNecAnBDiIdNSSg

The 4GB SSD partition seems as though it is intended for Intel Rapid Start but it doesn't seem to have been configured as it should show up in 'Disk Management' as a hibernation partition due to it having a partition id = 84.

so probable course of action would be disable that chaching, then do a fresh install to C only, then re enable the cahcing after and use the recover tool to create an image of that for future?

That would be my approach too once you know what software in relation to the above is actually in use at the moment.
 
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