Monitor or TV for PS4 and PC
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Oh, and what budget?
I believe the issue with most teles on PC is input lag, though I understand that a bit bigger can be nice.
What's the balance of console gaming to PC?
Some of the recent ultra wide monitors might be worth looking into, but only if they support 1:1 pixel mapping. Not sure which if any do.
But all depends on how much you want to spend
I believe the issue with most teles on PC is input lag, though I understand that a bit bigger can be nice.
What's the balance of console gaming to PC?
Some of the recent ultra wide monitors might be worth looking into, but only if they support 1:1 pixel mapping. Not sure which if any do.
But all depends on how much you want to spend
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-062-AS&groupid=17&catid=1120
Not sure what the VA panel is like on this for gaming -http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-089-BQ&groupid=17&catid=1120 or http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-114-IY&groupid=17&catid=1120
Even though 144hz would wasted on console - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-IY&groupid=17&catid=1120
I k ow the first a little over budget, but it's the first one I'd look into on our.
Not sure what the VA panel is like on this for gaming -http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-089-BQ&groupid=17&catid=1120 or http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-114-IY&groupid=17&catid=1120
Even though 144hz would wasted on console - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-110-IY&groupid=17&catid=1120
I k ow the first a little over budget, but it's the first one I'd look into on our.
@topher:
I'm guessing you've done your homework. The UE32F5000 is indeed a good and very affordable choice for a PC/PS4 combo.
Link to the review you've probably read already:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue32f5000-201308253262.htm
And yes, for some people the resolution vs. size might become an issue for computer usage (if you watch it from a close distance, it could seem blocky). So if you have a pristine eye-sight, then a 27" 1080p computer monitor might be a better choice, but will also cost about the same (£200-250). And indeed, like eyetrip said, computer monitors usually by default have lower input lag, which is essential for gaming. But fear not, the UE32F5000 is one of the best HDTVs with regards to input lag. Furthermore, an HDTV has the extra benefit of an integrated TV tuner (naturally).
If you want to check other low input lag HDTVs, check this link:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
As for computer monitors, eyetrip's list is quite good. Though the last one, as stated, is 144Hz, which will be a waste for PS4 gaming, and it's even housing a TN panel, which I would stay away from, personally. But the BenQ GW2760HS in particular is one of the models I've recommended quite a few times in the last six months. I would also add one other alternative: Asus SonicMaster MX279H. Although it goes even more over the budget (£276), but it has very good user reviews, which is always a good sign.
But all in all, I'd recommend the UE32F5000.
(there's only one set I would recommend more, the Sony KDL42W653, but that costs about double when compared to the UE32F5000)
Ps. I'm myself using a 42" HDTV (Philips 42PFL6907T) as a computer monitor from a 1m distance.
I'm guessing you've done your homework. The UE32F5000 is indeed a good and very affordable choice for a PC/PS4 combo.
Link to the review you've probably read already:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue32f5000-201308253262.htm
And yes, for some people the resolution vs. size might become an issue for computer usage (if you watch it from a close distance, it could seem blocky). So if you have a pristine eye-sight, then a 27" 1080p computer monitor might be a better choice, but will also cost about the same (£200-250). And indeed, like eyetrip said, computer monitors usually by default have lower input lag, which is essential for gaming. But fear not, the UE32F5000 is one of the best HDTVs with regards to input lag. Furthermore, an HDTV has the extra benefit of an integrated TV tuner (naturally).
If you want to check other low input lag HDTVs, check this link:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
As for computer monitors, eyetrip's list is quite good. Though the last one, as stated, is 144Hz, which will be a waste for PS4 gaming, and it's even housing a TN panel, which I would stay away from, personally. But the BenQ GW2760HS in particular is one of the models I've recommended quite a few times in the last six months. I would also add one other alternative: Asus SonicMaster MX279H. Although it goes even more over the budget (£276), but it has very good user reviews, which is always a good sign.
But all in all, I'd recommend the UE32F5000.
(there's only one set I would recommend more, the Sony KDL42W653, but that costs about double when compared to the UE32F5000)
Ps. I'm myself using a 42" HDTV (Philips 42PFL6907T) as a computer monitor from a 1m distance.
how far away are you when using your PC?
Would like to add that maybe you should try visiting a brick-and-mortar store and test how it is from the preferred distance. The problem is that you probably can't have your own video content playing in there. Well, possibly through a USB or SD card you might be allowed. But you may end up having to find a set that is playing HD material instead of SD material. You could also ask to have a Bluray disc playing on it, to see how it stacks up. Alternatively, if the set has a demo mode, there might be a clip of HD material in there.
yeah I am going to my local Richer Sounds at some point this week, although I am a bit concerned that the Samsung UE32F5000 doesn't always have the same panel!!!
according to avforum users anything other than Samsungs own panel have some sort of issue! ghost, bleed, etc etc
according to avforum users anything other than Samsungs own panel have some sort of issue! ghost, bleed, etc etc
So I am looking at purchasing a ue32f5000 for PS4 and PC, but I noticed some reports of this model being fitted with various panels (Samsungs own panel being the best according to HDTVtest)
It seem that there is no way of telling what panel the TV has unless you:
a: check the version code on the back of the TV
b: go into the service menu on the TV
So I went into Richersounds and ask them about this, and they didn't know anything about it!
they also aren't willing to open the box for me or them to check!
they also now charge a 15% re-stocking fee If you take something back that in their opinion isn't faulty!
The guy in Richersounds thinks there is very little to choose from between panels and that it's all down to processing and room temp! he maybe right but I would imagine certain panels are better than others!
So I either buy the ue32f5000 and hope I get one with a Samsung panel or look for a 27" monitor instead!
It seem that there is no way of telling what panel the TV has unless you:
a: check the version code on the back of the TV
b: go into the service menu on the TV
So I went into Richersounds and ask them about this, and they didn't know anything about it!
they also aren't willing to open the box for me or them to check!
they also now charge a 15% re-stocking fee If you take something back that in their opinion isn't faulty!
The guy in Richersounds thinks there is very little to choose from between panels and that it's all down to processing and room temp! he maybe right but I would imagine certain panels are better than others!
So I either buy the ue32f5000 and hope I get one with a Samsung panel or look for a 27" monitor instead!
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Retail employees knowing about panel lottery:
Yeah, that would be quite rare. They might have heard of a few more popular models, but they can't possibly keep track of every model. But if he's saying there's not much difference between the panel alternatives, and it's mostly processing and room temperature (...?), then he's gravely mistaken or deliberately lying to you, maybe trying to lull you into buying the product. But most probably he's just not that educated in the matter. You can check this by asking whether he can tell you about pros and cons of, say, VA vs IPS. If he starts to focus on something else like "LED panels", then you know he probably has no idea what you're talking about.
Though you can't blame him, it IS an enthusiast matter, wouldn't expect them to know very much about it.
As for restocking, etc:
Well, unless the panel type is clearly advertised within the product details, then it wouldn't be considered as a faulty one.
Here are two threads discussing the re-stocking fee and its legality:
http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/restocking-fee.51206/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/16/online_refunds/
In summary: EU has built quite a strong defense for the consumer, and the retailer is usually the one who gets stuck with the bills.
But again, this is a fairly special case. From what I've understood, the DSR basically gives the buyer an opportunity to "inspect" the merchandise like he could in a store, before making a buying decision. But if it's only a sealed package on the store, then it wouldn't help you much, in any case. If it was on display on the store, you could easily check the label on the store, so you should have the same opportunity if you order it online, right? Unfortunately, I don't think the DSR makes a distinction on these sort of cases. The stores have no obligation to have sample units on display, so you might have a hard time convincing them of your right to have it opened. Though not entirely impossible, mind you.
For comparison:
In Finland, there are few brick-and-mortar stores (with online fronts as well), which offer a free service that guarantees 30 days of return, no questions asked. While they will surely take a small hit because of people taking advantage of this, they also gather a lot of consumer trust because of it. This is a fairly competent business tactic.
Personally, I would vote with my wallet, and support the stores that do offer this kind of extra service. Simply put, if you don't find one retailer's terms&conditions acceptable, then go to the next store. Competition will eventually take care of the bottom feeders.
Though it is indeed unfair for the seller if the customer simply "changes his mind" after opening the product, after which the seller is left paying for the customer's mistake.
Hmm, maybe you could suggest that they try to contact the supplier to inquire the panel type, perhaps they might know? Alternatively, you could contact Samsung directly and ask whether there's a way to easily differentiate between different patches.
If all this fails, then maybe it's better to just purchase a computer monitor.
Yeah, that would be quite rare. They might have heard of a few more popular models, but they can't possibly keep track of every model. But if he's saying there's not much difference between the panel alternatives, and it's mostly processing and room temperature (...?), then he's gravely mistaken or deliberately lying to you, maybe trying to lull you into buying the product. But most probably he's just not that educated in the matter. You can check this by asking whether he can tell you about pros and cons of, say, VA vs IPS. If he starts to focus on something else like "LED panels", then you know he probably has no idea what you're talking about.
Though you can't blame him, it IS an enthusiast matter, wouldn't expect them to know very much about it.
As for restocking, etc:
Well, unless the panel type is clearly advertised within the product details, then it wouldn't be considered as a faulty one.
Here are two threads discussing the re-stocking fee and its legality:
http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/restocking-fee.51206/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/16/online_refunds/
In summary: EU has built quite a strong defense for the consumer, and the retailer is usually the one who gets stuck with the bills.
But again, this is a fairly special case. From what I've understood, the DSR basically gives the buyer an opportunity to "inspect" the merchandise like he could in a store, before making a buying decision. But if it's only a sealed package on the store, then it wouldn't help you much, in any case. If it was on display on the store, you could easily check the label on the store, so you should have the same opportunity if you order it online, right? Unfortunately, I don't think the DSR makes a distinction on these sort of cases. The stores have no obligation to have sample units on display, so you might have a hard time convincing them of your right to have it opened. Though not entirely impossible, mind you.
For comparison:
In Finland, there are few brick-and-mortar stores (with online fronts as well), which offer a free service that guarantees 30 days of return, no questions asked. While they will surely take a small hit because of people taking advantage of this, they also gather a lot of consumer trust because of it. This is a fairly competent business tactic.
Personally, I would vote with my wallet, and support the stores that do offer this kind of extra service. Simply put, if you don't find one retailer's terms&conditions acceptable, then go to the next store. Competition will eventually take care of the bottom feeders.
Though it is indeed unfair for the seller if the customer simply "changes his mind" after opening the product, after which the seller is left paying for the customer's mistake.
Hmm, maybe you could suggest that they try to contact the supplier to inquire the panel type, perhaps they might know? Alternatively, you could contact Samsung directly and ask whether there's a way to easily differentiate between different patches.
If all this fails, then maybe it's better to just purchase a computer monitor.
I have emailed Samsung today and got this response!
With regards to your query about different panels in the F5000 model, I am sending this email to confirm that the same panels are used in each TV. Having been purchased from a legitimate company you are guaranteed that this Samsung product is manufactured using the correct parts.
Our engineers have not made us aware of any problems you have mentioned are contained within these AV forums. Therefore, we are in no position to go by this information.
If there is anything else we can help with, please let us know.
So according to Samsungs own techsupport all the f5000's will have the same panel!!
With regards to your query about different panels in the F5000 model, I am sending this email to confirm that the same panels are used in each TV. Having been purchased from a legitimate company you are guaranteed that this Samsung product is manufactured using the correct parts.
Our engineers have not made us aware of any problems you have mentioned are contained within these AV forums. Therefore, we are in no position to go by this information.
If there is anything else we can help with, please let us know.
So according to Samsungs own techsupport all the f5000's will have the same panel!!
Hmm, "correct parts"? Yes, they could definitely be "correct" parts, as there is no additional description other than they are LCD LED televisions, so it wouldn't be against the specifications to use SPVA or AMVA panels, nor even IPS. But even though there would be no flaw, error or anything like that technically, they could still be quite different in practice.
But one thing occurred to me: While the review indeed states about a different panel type in another size (actually, it's apparently even talking about another model, F5500), and the Conclusion hints about trying to get a set with the SPVA, but is there actually any reports about panel lottery going on in the SAME size range? Are the AVforum threads stating anything about this?
Because it might very well be that all the 32" F5000 models use an SPVA panel, and all the 42" F5000 (or possibly only F5500) models use an AMVA panel. In this light, the Samsung's provided reply would be accurate.
But do note:
It's certainly not unheard of for manufacturers to first supply units with a better panel, and after the initial units are out and reviewed, they silently drop the better panels and replace them with inferior ones. This happened for example with the Philips 40PFL5507H, where the initial models used the spectacular UV2A panels and the reviews got 5 stars, but were later silently dropped for an inferior PVA panel, which only reviewed for 3 stars.
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-40pfl5507h-p12906/test.html
Although, Philips confessed to this, and said that it was "to fulfill the strong demand and to avoid product shortages". Though IMO, it would have been more proper to assign a new model number, too, to avoid mix-ups and disappointments.
But one thing occurred to me: While the review indeed states about a different panel type in another size (actually, it's apparently even talking about another model, F5500), and the Conclusion hints about trying to get a set with the SPVA, but is there actually any reports about panel lottery going on in the SAME size range? Are the AVforum threads stating anything about this?
Because it might very well be that all the 32" F5000 models use an SPVA panel, and all the 42" F5000 (or possibly only F5500) models use an AMVA panel. In this light, the Samsung's provided reply would be accurate.
But do note:
It's certainly not unheard of for manufacturers to first supply units with a better panel, and after the initial units are out and reviewed, they silently drop the better panels and replace them with inferior ones. This happened for example with the Philips 40PFL5507H, where the initial models used the spectacular UV2A panels and the reviews got 5 stars, but were later silently dropped for an inferior PVA panel, which only reviewed for 3 stars.
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-40pfl5507h-p12906/test.html
Although, Philips confessed to this, and said that it was "to fulfill the strong demand and to avoid product shortages". Though IMO, it would have been more proper to assign a new model number, too, to avoid mix-ups and disappointments.