When will they think of the children ?

The Geezer · 30 Jul 2015 at 16:30

This chap a previous offender only earlier this year gets caught again in his new city of residence.

This time he pleads guilty to 13 counts of paedophilia.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Alv...ts-child-sex/story-27515358-detail/story.html

In my opinion these guys seems to get less than rape or hardly see imprisonment or the rehab isn't working. Not done the research but I am guessing re-offending rates must be high with paedophiles

Destination · 30 Jul 2015 at 16:34

This is exactly what indeterminant sentences should be used for.
Protecting the public, now, until certain, he should be removed from potential harm.

greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 08:17

Saw the thread title and genuinely thought of the Simpsons but on a serious note I think sex offenders should be punished by castration it's absolutely vile what people are capable of doing to children

spoffle · 2 Aug 2015 at 08:59

greyfox591 said:
Saw the thread title and genuinely thought of the Simpsons but on a serious note I think sex offenders should be punished by castration it's absolutely vile what people are capable of doing to children

You really should understand the topic more before forming strong opinions like you have. Sex offender covers quite a large range of offences and isn't specifically linked to children or even anyone actually being hurt or affected.

So it's a real good job that what you think doesn't matter.

greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:13

spoffle said:
You really should understand the topic more before forming strong opinions like you have. Sex offender covers quite a large range of offences and isn't specifically linked to children or even anyone actually being hurt or affected.

So it's a real good job that what you think doesn't matter.

I think I know quite a considerable amount more than you do seeing as my wife and her sister was sexually abused by their uncle as children and I've seen the aftermath of what it does to the people and the family and friends so it's a real good job nobody cares about your opinions either go read up on some more articles and then come back and tell me what it's actually like seeing as your such an expert

spoffle · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:20

Well you've clearly not understood a word of what I said.

Not everyone who is a sex offender has actually abused anyone.

Whilst sad, your wife and her sister's experiences are totally irrelevant to this fact.

Your statement that all sex offenders should be castrated demonstrates you don't quite grasp how wide a range of offences "sex offences" cover.

arctine · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:20

greyfox591 said:
I think I know quite a considerable amount more than you do seeing as my wife and her sister was sexually abused by their uncle as children and I've seen the aftermath of what it does to the people and the family and friends so it's a real good job nobody cares about your opinions either go read up on some more articles and then come back and tell me what it's actually like seeing as your such an expert

Despite your really long sentence, what spoffle said is still correct.

greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:24

Ok maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast an maybe I didn't understand what's spoffle was saying but from the original post peadophilia and rape are sex offences are they not?

Danthus · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:28

greyfox591 said:
Saw the thread title and genuinely thought of the Simpsons but on a serious note I think sex offenders should be punished by castration it's absolutely vile what people are capable of doing to children

Some sex offenders never even touch a child.

timebomb26 · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:30

greyfox591 said:
Ok maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast an maybe I didn't understand what's spoffle was saying but from the original post peadophilia and rape are sex offences are they not?

I still don't think you understand what he was trying to say.

greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:32

That's already been pointed out and I am aware of that I did read the article stating webcam and images, I think we have established I could have worded my OP a little better

spoffle · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:32

greyfox591 said:
Ok maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast an maybe I didn't understand what's spoffle was saying but from the original post peadophilia and rape are sex offences are they not?

They certainly are, but they are two of many things that are considered sexual offences under law.

A flasher is, by law, committing a sexual offence, for example. A flasher, whilst gross doesn't deserve to be castrated just because they've committed a sexual offence.

Two people having a quicky in the bushes of a park is a bit crass, but they wouldn't deserve castration for it, and on top of that your proposal of punishment is entirely directed at men, though I expect you've not really thought about that part, as for some strange reason society has a bias against men who are convicted of sexual offences, but a strange leniency when it comes to women who have been convicted of sexual offenses.

Kenai · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:35

greyfox591 said:
Ok maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast an maybe I didn't understand what's spoffle was saying but from the original post peadophilia and rape are sex offences are they not?

Yes they are.

It's also a sex offence to shag in a public loo, but i'm sure you'd not advocate castrating someone for having a quickie in the local pub toilet would you? That's what spoffle is getting at.

greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 09:46

spoffle said:
They certainly are, but they are two of many things that are considered sexual offences under law.

A flasher is, by law, committing a sexual offence, for example. A flasher, whilst gross doesn't deserve to be castrated just because they've committed a sexual offence.

Two people having a quicky in the bushes of a park is a bit crass, but they wouldn't deserve castration for it, and on top of that your proposal of punishment is entirely directed at men, though I expect you've not really thought about that part, as for some strange reason society has a bias against men who are convicted of sexual offences, but a strange leniency when it comes to women who have been convicted of sexual offenses.

Ok well I didn't even consider flashing and a quickie in a bush, like I said I was a bit quick to jump the gun on this subject.
I don't think women get much leniency they always end up in jail, take for example school teachers. the last time I will mention this in my wife's case her grandmother kept a diary and knew things were going on with what her son was doing, the diary was presented in court as evidence and he still managed to walk away without any charge for what he had done, where is the justice in that

SeriousBusiness · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:08

greyfox591 said:
Ok well I didn't even consider flashing and a quickie in a bush, like I said I was a bit quick to jump the gun on this subject.
I don't think women get much leniency they always end up in jail, take for example school teachers. the last time I will mention this in my wife's case her grandmother kept a diary and knew things were going on with what her son was doing, the diary was presented in court as evidence and he still managed to walk away without any charge for what he had done, where is the justice in that

A diary from your grandmother wouldn't be considered strong evidence...

Caged · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:12

The Geezer said:
Not done the research but I am guessing re-offending rates must be high with paedophiles

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greyfox591 · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:17

SeriousBusiness said:
A diary from your grandmother wouldn't be considered strong evidence...

You are right, it's not strong evidence it's classed as hearsay I believe but I'm sure it would have some uses

Tonester0011 · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:22

Isn't thinking of children what got them in this mess to being with?

Sliver · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:37

Tonester0011 said:
Isn't thinking of children what got them in this mess to being with?

lol

Louis Theroux made a documentary called A Place For Paedophiles. It was in America and was basically a detention centre for paedophiles. The aim was rehabilitation. If I remember rightly, something like 2% got out. In other words, once a paedophile always a paedophile. This is the problem with them, it's hard wired in them, it's their nature to be sexually attracted to children.

I'd like to see something similar to that in the UK. Basically a facility built to house paedophiles indefinitely or till they are deemed fit for release, which would be never for the majority.

Amp34 · 2 Aug 2015 at 11:39

So now we're getting to the crux, you think a specific subset of sex offenders should be castrated.

Do you also thing thief should have their hands cut off? Reoffending rates for petty criminals is also high.

I totally agree with the castration of sex offenders. That 16 year old guy who was sent an indecent picture by his 16 year old GF should definitely have his testicles chopped off...