Spec me a ~£500 vinyl rig / basic questions

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So my dad recently gave me a load of his old vinyls and it's a freaking sweet collection - pink floyd, dire straights.... Beatles... Hendrix! Can't wait to give them a whirl. However, I'm unable to - no record player.

A quick Google reveals that I will need a turntable, an amp and some speakers... And this can get dangerously expensive very very quickly. I'm sceptical of the ''audiophile' tag / approach - I just want something that sounds nice and would be very greatful for some pointers from those with actual experience.

So - any advice / tips? For one, I'm not sure if the money is best spent equally on all parts, or just the turntable etc.

Cheers! :)
 
I have a couple of turntables here and have been doing the vinyl thing for the better part of 30 years so I've seen the ebb and flow of popularity in records. Right now vinyl is very much 'on trend'.

Back in the 80's when I first started my Hi-Fi journey vinyl was the medium of choice for quality, and the recommendation was to spend the biggest chunk of a budget on the TT/arm/cartridge combo and then progressively smaller amounts on the amp and speakers. There's still some sense still in that approach; putting really good speakers on the end of a mediocre TT and amp combo would just highlight all the deficiencies further up the chain. Having said that, manufacturing quality has improved and the cost of manufacturing has fallen to the point where £200 on a single product today buys better performance than was ever possible with an inflation adjusted equivalent amount 30 years ago.

The entry-level turntable of choice back in the mid 80s was a Dual CS505 mkII. It cost around £110 at the time. In today's money that's the equivalent of approx £350. Today you can walk in to a Hi-Fi dealer's premises and buy a Pro-Ject Elemental for £159 that would give the Dual a damned good run for its money. In the mid 80s that would have been like spending about £55, so roughly half the price. That's how much things have got cheaper in real terms. It's a similar story with amps and speakers.

Back to today, if you want the best bang for your budget then I'd seriously consider mixing new and second-hand.

It used to be possible to used turntables really quite cheap, and some really good products too such as Rega Planar 2 and Planar 3. These were the 'go-to' second-hand turntables of choice. The hipsters have changed all that. Planar 2's and P2's that used to be available for £60-£80 are now fetching anything up to £200+ and typically sell at £140-£170. Used Planar 3's fetch £300.If you're looking for value in the used market then you should focus on Pro-ject turntables, and personally I'd search for Project Debut in original or mkII or mkIII form. As the 'debut' name suggests, this used to be the entry-level product in their range but now there are two lower priced products: the Essential and the more bare bones Elemental. Debuts have been around long enough for there to be decent amounts of used gear available. The used prices are still sensible (£70-£150), but if you prefer to buy new then a Debut SE3 can be had for £265 including cartridge.

For an amp you need something with a 'phono' input for a turntable. That's important because the sound coming out of the cartridge is a very low signal level and it has almost no bass. The phono input has a special circuit that boosts the power far more than an ordinary line input (CD, AUX etc) does and it also rebalances the sound. For new amps I'd look at the Marantz PM5005 (£170), Yamaha AS201 (£149). Used amps in the price range from £50-£120 such as the NAD3020 and C320BEE, Rotel RA820, Marantz PM7003, ARCAM Alpha will give you £200-£500 amp performance.

If sticking with all new then the remaining budget for speakers is £65-£85. There are speakers available in that price range but IMO most won't do the system justice. It's just too little money which means too many compromises. The only ones I'd consider would be Tannoy Mercury V1 just because they're on clearance at the moment. Personally though I think Wharfedale Diamond 220 make a better long term choice, but they're £180/pr. Used speakers in the £50-£100 price range opens up all sorts of interesting options including decent floorstanders from KEF, Monitor Audio, Mission and others.
 
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Can this be made a sticky please mods? ..... Will help in the repeated times this question comes up........

Great post Lucid..... I started with the Dual in the 80's :D

Couple used bargains I've noticed recently.... Linn indexII, helix and Nexus speakers from the 80's seem unloved and get sold for a few quid... Now I use to hear them in the dealer I helped out in.... The IndexII with the Kustone stand was great starter speaker..
Another is a Linn Intek amp, like an Audiolab 8000A, but sounded better and less boring and not so "on trend" as the Audiolab.... Also look for exposure and Roksan and Creek amps from the same era.

I would still put 50% of the budget to the TT, 25% to the amp and speakers, but go used in them to bring the quality up.
Modern amps, like AV amps can end up being ClassD switching amps that to me isn't going to sit well with vinyl..... (There's never an "S" on the end of vinyl BTW :)

Don't forget to contact the local specialist dealers, even if they seem to Audiophile.... Many have used/traded in items... So could put some items together for you, set it up, and you hear it first......

Happy hunting....
 
Wow thanks for the awesome pointers both :)

So... The problem with a 'budget'... Rather than an actual budget... Is that there isn't any real need to stick to it. In other words, I have purchased!!! And smashed the budget £500.

Update later with pics :)
 
So I ended up with...

Pro-ject debut carbon turntable (£325)
Marantz pm6005 amp (£250)
Wharfedale diamond 220 speakers (£180)

All for an eye watering £755!

And here it is in my lounge looking sexy like a fine piece of ass.

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Am I listening to the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack? Yes. Yes I am.
 
Try getting one speaker either side of the fire place, like that is going to be terrible.... plus speakers need to be away from the deck, the vibration will make it mistrack and sound bad. Welcome to vinyl and it's needs :)
 
Thanks for the advice, read a bit about speaker placement and have tried either side of the fireplace and sounds absolutely no different, despite ideally being further apart on paper it's indistinguishable *shrug*
 
Thanks for the advice, read a bit about speaker placement and have tried either side of the fireplace and sounds absolutely no different, despite ideally being further apart on paper it's indistinguishable *shrug*
Hmmmm nope.... Think you need to try harder :p
... Oh don't stand the deck on the amp, and make sure it's level with a spirit level and firm not wobbly.

Speakers, or the tweeter should be ear level when listening (seated), not in corners or they could boom and have muddy bass. If they are on a shelf, you might want to use a tiny bloods of bluetak in the corners so they don't rattle on the shelf.
You bought decent kit, don't treat it like an Argos £99 special or you wasted your money. :eek:....... Enjoy....
 
Don't hide a turntable away on a shelf there something for your ears and eyes to cherish

PS get a set of stands for your speakers :)
 
Forgive the hijack....

...I'm also wanting to break into the Vinyl market. That is I too have been given a big collection, and want to find a decent player, max £300. Bear in mind that most of the records I have are classical, but I've got some decent rock records too and will probably purchase a lot of both as well.

Does the player matter in that regard? Or the cartridge? Have read lucid's excellent post above and really dont like the look of the Pro-Ject Elemental, whilst sound is obv more important I can't help but look at the look of things too!
 
Debate running over on PFM might be worth a read through..... be sure your know the pro's and con's of going down the vinyl road.

http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=184354

Hah, it's funny that someone mentions the Solti Götterdämmerung. One of the things I'm most looking forward too is listening to the Vinyl of the Ring cycle. I've got the CDs and want to compare them, he's right though, cleaning 12 sides must be annoying!
 
Hah, it's funny that someone mentions the Solti Götterdämmerung. One of the things I'm most looking forward too is listening to the Vinyl of the Ring cycle. I've got the CDs and want to compare them, he's right though, cleaning 12 sides must be annoying!

I'm currently cleaning all my records and getting them put into anti static sleeves rather than just having paper / no insets. It is time consuming but the sound quality afterwards on some records was like night and day! :eek: Think I've cleaned about 100 - 150, so just another 300+ to go :(

This is the stuff I use to clean it https://www.amazon.co.uk/Profession...qid=1461155494&sr=8-12&keywords=vinyl+cleaner
 
A few things- you bought an AMP with a built in DAC to use with an analog source... ???

Also, bookshelf speakers dont go on an actual bookshelf. They go on stands. Especially rear ported speakers like those (which are very bad BTW a pair of KEF Q100 would have been way better for not a lot more money).

Get yourself a pair of solid (wood) speaker stands, put the speakers on the stands at least 24 inches away from the wall and in open space (ie, in the center of a wall, preferably one of the short walls in the room) and put the turntable and amp on a cheap equipment rack in the middle.

The difference in sound will impress you. Now go buy those KEF Q100s. Or better yet hop on UK audio mart and buy some nice used speakers. I've seen the classic KEF monitors (one of the best smalls peakers ever made) on there for like 300 pound. Speakers that cost 4000 pound new today often can't match them and they're built like a freaking tank. They're so good that for years the BBC used them for sound mastering for TV and radio. That says a lot. 300 freaking pound man.

In future, go to UK Audio Mart (old audiophile farts selling their stuff cheap) and pick up used equipment at 20% the cost of new. You could have had about 4000 pound worth of 80s and 90s equipment right now with some nice big floorstanding speakers that would have melted your brain with that hendrix. The speakers you have positioned like you have them can't be sounding much better than a high end boom box.

Also, given that your amp has a built in DAC, might I suggest that you add a cheap laptop to your audio setup once you have it properly set up in your room and that way you can use Spotify/Tidal/stuff you "Didn't download illegally" and play it back in high quality on your HIFI.

If you don't have a spare laptop pick one up used. doesn't matter if the battery is still good as it'll be plugged in. You can get a refurb Core 2 laptop for well under 100 squids.
 
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An appropriate noob question - does the Earth on the turntable have to be hooked up? I need to use a phono extension cable and it doesn't have an earth wire on it.
 
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